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[Eryri]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...


So wait, whats Project X? Did Chris conferm there is no IT?
I'm gone one day, and now I'm all sorts of confused.

It's an unconfirmed rumor about a big piece of ME3 content planned for spring 2013 that was mentioned in the new Clevernoob documentary on youtube. Chris Priestly later denied there was to be any more "ending DLC" in a post on another thread. I'll find you a link in a minute.

Edit: here's the documentary. He talks about this rumor towards the end - 
 

Modifié par Eryri, 25 août 2012 - 07:48 .

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

For the sake of the non-ITers I have to reply to this in order to defend the majority of the BSN against this nonsense.

I like how you start off with this, then rail against someone else presenting their personal opinion as fact.

Its like you have never heard of irony.

That's because the original poster did present his personal opinions as facts. I actually called him out on it, telling him very clearly that whatever he says is NOT a fact, but merely his own personal opinion.


Talking about irony... Maybe you should read my entire post before jumping to conclusions.

I dont see whats ironic about that.

Maybe it'd be ironic if I'd accused you of not reading my post fully or something, but I didnt, so it isnt.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

Heretic, literally on the same page is someone who disagrees with IT that we dont call a troll: HagarIshay.

Maybe you should look at how the two of you present yourselves and see why we call you a troll but not Hagar.

Exactly what I was going to say. Not everyone who disagrees with IT are trolls. Hargar and Epyon are obvious examples of people who rationally and (maybe even more importantly) politely/nicely
 talk about IT with us. They don't bash us or anything. That's why I like them. You could learn a thing or 2 from them.

[paxxton]

Hi Heretic. How's your Bad Writing Theory going?

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

Heretic, literally on the same page is someone who disagrees with IT that we dont call a troll: HagarIshay.

Maybe you should look at how the two of you present yourselves and see why we call you a troll but not Hagar.

Ah, so just because I'm vocal and actually call people out on their BS instead of trying to act all buddy-buddy makes me a troll? Ah, okay. Many people must be trolls in your world if that is your definition of trolling.

[ebuchala]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Your actually right now that I think about it. You spend the majority of the game fighting Cerberus, not the reapers.

ME1: Geth heretics = primary enemy, reapers secondary
ME2: Collectors = primary enemy, reapers secondary
ME3: Cerberus = primary enemy, reapers secondary

Oh and keep in mind what I've brought up before: They're all indoctrinated. Even a lot of the minor enemies like thorian creepers or random scientists are indoctrinated. Reaper troops are indoctrinated. The main enemy of the series is indoctrination. It makes perfect sense to fight it in the last battle of the game. Beating indoctrination is impossible? Well Shepard has built a career off performing the impossible, like most heroes.

Oh and here's another thing: A couple of people, like Hackett and Liara, say the reapers can't be beaten conventionally. SO WHAT? Some people also said the reapers didn't exist, certain things were "inevitable" and you can't go through the Omega-4 relay. The point of the hero is to beat the impossible odds; to do what everyone else thought you couldn't do. In this case, beat the reapers conventionally.

Thoughts?

I completely agree that the war with the reapers deserves a heck of a lot more time. I've mentioned it multiple times before but the Protheans fought the reapers for 150 years before fully losing, according to Javik and the Protheans certainly weren't slackers when it came to battle. I just don't get how we can expect to fight and defeat the reapers in less than 1/150th of the time it took the Protheans to lose. Seems very unreasonable in my opinion.

I do get that if the Crucible really isn't a trap and if it functioned as a weapon and if it was completed as it was supposed to be and if, and if, and if....that we wouldn't have to fight the reapers conventionally to win so, therefore, it might be possible to win in a year. But that's a lot of ifs, in my book and if, frankly, feels a bit cheap to win a victory that way.

I think the correlation between the Thorian controlling people and indoctrination is pretty clear-cut. While ME2 doesn't have us directly dealing with a lot of indoctrinated people (until Kinson and the Arrival, really), we get a huge amount of information on indoctrination and its effects during the second game. ME3 seems to be all about fighting indoctrination, both personally and against so many others who are indoctrinated.

I love the idea that Shepard's story/fight is about winning against indoctrination and that ME4 would pick up with fighting the reapers in a more conventional manner.

[Hrothdane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Good to see Heretic_Hanar has dropped the facade and gone back to trolling.

Kinda like The Illusive Man in ME3. Very appropriate.

Except I'm not trolling. But of course everyone who disagrees wih the IT and is vocal about it, is trolling in your eyes. That's a pretty close-minded of you there mate.

Two fallacies here:

1. Strawman: I never said that anyone that disagrees with IT is a troll.
2. Fallacy of Addition: Equating calling an individual a troll with calling everyone that shares his opinion a troll.

I look forward to seeing which fallacies you use next. This is perfect practice for my philosophy class.

[The Heretic of Time]

paxxton wrote...

Hi Heretic. How's your Bad Writing Theory going?

Rather well. The majority on BSN seems to agree with it. But that was actually already before my own Bad Writing Theory thread, that I actually made to simply point out that the IT is nothing more than a pipe dream and that the argument that ME3 is just badly written is more likely to be true.

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic, literally on the same page is someone who disagrees with IT that we dont call a troll: HagarIshay.

Maybe you should look at how the two of you present yourselves and see why we call you a troll but not Hagar.

Ah, so just because I'm vocal and actually call people out on their BS instead of trying to act all buddy-buddy makes me a troll? Ah, okay. Many people must be trolls in your world if that is your definition of trolling.

Its more the whole "THERES NO PROOF! YOU GUYS ARE DELUSIONAL! YOU MAKE ZERO GOOD POINTS EVER!" attitude I've seen from you.

You can be an acerbic jackass for all I care, so long as you dont just dismiss everything as obviously bad writing, then complain about others presenting their opinion as fact.

Anyhow, as much as I'd love to argue with you for an hour or so, I've gotta go. Be back in a bit.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

I dont see whats ironic about that.

Maybe it'd be ironic if I'd accused you of not reading my post fully or something, but I didnt, so it isnt.

I think it would be ironic if Heretic_Hanar's avatar was an alien of some kind, considering his anti-alien sentiments.

Wait.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 25 août 2012 - 07:40 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Hrothdane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Good to see Heretic_Hanar has dropped the facade and gone back to trolling.

Kinda like The Illusive Man in ME3. Very appropriate.

Except I'm not trolling. But of course everyone who disagrees wih the IT and is vocal about it, is trolling in your eyes. That's a pretty close-minded of you there mate.

Two fallacies here:

1. Strawman: I never said that anyone that disagrees with IT is a troll.
2. Fallacy of Addition: Equating calling an individual a troll with calling everyone that shares his opinion a troll.

I look forward to seeing which fallacies you use next. This is perfect practice for my philosophy class.

I love it how you guys sidetrack the issue by simply ignoring the entire content of my post and only focus on calling me a troll and trying to pick apart everything I say EXCEPT for my actual original arguments in my super-long post.

Yeah, I'm not gonna fall for this. The fact that you don't debunk my original post but focus on calling me a troll and whatnot says a lot.


I'm awaiting your rebuttal to my original post. If you can't or don't want to rebute it, than you and I are done here.

[MaximizedAction]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

That war is too big for a single game. It didn't receive enough treatment in ME3.

Your actually right now that I think about it. You spend the majority of the game fighting Cerberus, not the reapers.

ME1: Geth heretics = primary enemy, reapers secondary
ME2: Collectors = primary enemy, reapers secondary
ME3: Cerberus = primary enemy, reapers secondary

Oh and keep in mind what I've brought up before: They're all indoctrinated. Even a lot of the minor enemies like thorian creepers or random scientists are indoctrinated. Reaper troops are indoctrinated. The main enemy of the series is indoctrination. It makes perfect sense to fight it in the last battle of the game. Beating indoctrination is impossible? Well Shepard has built a career off performing the impossible, like most heroes.

Oh and here's another thing: A couple of people, like Hackett and Liara, say the reapers can't be beaten conventionally. SO WHAT? Some people also said the reapers didn't exist, certain things were "inevitable" and you can't go through the Omega-4 relay. The point of the hero is to beat the impossible odds; to do what everyone else thought you couldn't do. In this case, beat the reapers conventionally.

Thoughts?

Beautiful!

At first in ME3 Shepard seems to be moving along quite well and manages to achieve the seemingly impossible by true effort.
The most impossible, the one task with the highest odds Shepard, and especially the galaxy, has to face are the Reapers. And that's clear, as ME3 is probably supposed to top everything prior to it in the trilogy, hence, especially the odds.

And here we are...completely missing to overcome the odds by choosing to go with the Crucible; a too-good-to-be-true path of the least resistance that appears out of nowhere. And like mindless two dimensional sprites that run towards the Reapers in panic, the most intelligent people are kept busy constructing this black box device that otherwise should cause a higher amount of critical outcry over the unknown and potentially even more dangerous.

Even Shepard's sparks of questioning are quick to be dismissed by EVERYONE. The ultimate odd.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

I dont see whats ironic about that.

Maybe it'd be ironic if I'd accused you of not reading my post fully or something, but I didnt, so it isnt.

I think it would be ironic if Heretic_Hanar's avatar was an alien of some kind, considering his anti-alien sentiments.

Wait.

Fun fact: On the DVD commentary they said they spent like an hour trying to think up the most ironic thing ever, and the thing they came up with was a shark learning to surf to impress his shark friends, but becoming so good at it that they mistake him for a human and eat him.

Now I'm leaving for reals.

[jojon2se]

Aaah, classic.

The more recent "Project X", however is a supposed "mega-DLC", that a youtuber named "Clevernoob" rumored in his latest video on the IT.

EDIT: Man, this thread moves fast.

Modifié par jojon2se, 25 août 2012 - 07:50 .

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

For the sake of the non-ITers I have to reply to this in order to defend the majority of the BSN against this nonsense.

I like how you start off with this, then rail against someone else presenting their personal opinion as fact.

Its like you have never heard of irony.

That's because the original poster did present his personal opinions as facts. I actually called him out on it, telling him very clearly that whatever he says is NOT a fact, but merely his own personal opinion.


Talking about irony... Maybe you should read my entire post before jumping to conclusions.

I dont see whats ironic about that.

Maybe it'd be ironic if I'd accused you of not reading my post fully or something, but I didnt, so it isnt.

Ah, so you don't even understand why your post is so ironic. Okay, that's cool.


Anyway, I made my point. So I'm awaiting a rebuttal. If there is no rebuttal to my original post, there is no reason for me to continue this conversation.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 25 août 2012 - 07:46 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
than you and I are done here.

This part. This was my favourite part of the post.  

I think if you presented your counter-arguments in a polite manner, without being rude or condescending manner, we wouldn't have to call you out on those things, and could indeed discuss things with you. I don't get the vibe you want to actually discuss anything, though.

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

That war is too big for a single game. It didn't receive enough treatment in ME3.

Your actually right now that I think about it. You spend the majority of the game fighting Cerberus, not the reapers.

ME1: Geth heretics = primary enemy, reapers secondary
ME2: Collectors = primary enemy, reapers secondary
ME3: Cerberus = primary enemy, reapers secondary

Oh and keep in mind what I've brought up before: They're all indoctrinated. Even a lot of the minor enemies like thorian creepers or random scientists are indoctrinated. Reaper troops are indoctrinated. The main enemy of the series is indoctrination. It makes perfect sense to fight it in the last battle of the game. Beating indoctrination is impossible? Well Shepard has built a career off performing the impossible, like most heroes.

Oh and here's another thing: A couple of people, like Hackett and Liara, say the reapers can't be beaten conventionally. SO WHAT? Some people also said the reapers didn't exist, certain things were "inevitable" and you can't go through the Omega-4 relay. The point of the hero is to beat the impossible odds; to do what everyone else thought you couldn't do. In this case, beat the reapers conventionally.

Thoughts?

Beautiful!

At first in ME3 Shepard seems to be moving along quite well and manages to achieve the seemingly impossible by true effort.
The most impossible, the one task with the highest odds Shepard, and especially the galaxy, has to face are the Reapers. And that's clear, as ME3 is probably supposed to top everything prior to it in the trilogy, hence, especially the odds.

And here we are...completely missing to overcome the odds by choosing to go with the Crucible; a too-good-to-be-true path of the least resistance that appears out of nowhere. And like mindless two dimensional sprites that run towards the Reapers in panic, the most intelligent people are kept busy constructing this black box device that otherwise should cause a higher amount of critical outcry over the unknown and potentially even more dangerous.

Even Shepard's sparks of questioning are quick to be dismissed by EVERYONE. The ultimate odd.

Nice! I should go now though. See you all later.

[Arashi08]

Normally the hanar that comes here for attention is beneath my contempt, but when i saw this I just had to post it.


I apologize in advance for my blatant immaturity...


why can't Heretic_Hanar act in a orderly and lawful manner?

[The Heretic of Time]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
than you and I are done here.

This part. This was my favourite part of the post.  

I think if you presented your counter-arguments in a polite manner, without being rude or condescending manner, we wouldn't have to call you out on those things, and could indeed discuss things with you. I don't get the vibe you want to actually discuss anything, though.

I do want to discuss things, that's why I wrote such a long and detailed reply to Twilight's post. But it's kinda hard to actually discuss things if everyone calls me a troll, even though I specifically stated that my post isn't an attempt at trolling.

In fact, I shouldn't even have to say that. Common sense shoud tell you that a long detailed post like that is not an attempt at trolling. No troll would put that much effort into a big-ass post.

If I were actually trolling (and I did in the past), I would try to stir up the place with the least amount of effort. I wouldn't write whole essays on why I disagree with Twilight if I was actually trolling. Think about it...

[paxxton]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hi Heretic. How's your Bad Writing Theory going?

Rather well. The majority on BSN seems to agree with it. But that was actually already before my own Bad Writing Theory thread, that I actually made to simply point out that the IT is nothing more than a pipe dream and that the argument that ME3 is just badly written is more likely to be true.

It'd be really unpleasant if it turned out to be true. There are piles of evidence supporting IT. And it'd be much better if IT was confirmed because it would actually mean that Mass Effect has a future. Bad Writing would ****** off many people and make BioWare lose in the long run.

[The Heretic of Time]

paxxton wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hi Heretic. How's your Bad Writing Theory going?

Rather well. The majority on BSN seems to agree with it. But that was actually already before my own Bad Writing Theory thread, that I actually made to simply point out that the IT is nothing more than a pipe dream and that the argument that ME3 is just badly written is more likely to be true.

It'd be really unpleasant if it turned out to be true. There are piles of evidence supporting IT. And it'd be much better if IT was confirmed because it would actually mean that Mass Effect has a future. Bad Writing would ****** off many people and make BioWare lose in the long run.

I actually agree with everything in your post except for the "there are piles of evidence supportint IT" part. So far I have not seen evidence, merely potential clues, speculation and personal interpretations.

As BioWare says, the IT is a valid interpretation of the endings. Until BioWare either confirms or denies the IT, all we can do is speculate, speculate and speculate even more.

And bad writing already pissed off many people. Everyone who saw through BioWare's hack writing and didn't buy into the Indoctrination Theory is already pissed off.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 25 août 2012 - 07:57 .

[The Twilight God]

demersel wrote...

Don't you ever consider a possibility, that it is Harbinger that is infusing dream/hallucination on shepard? And by breaking free you severy hurt him? (even kill him possibly?) And that is why he can't finish shepard right away? 

I've considered many possibilities. But simply because I can fabricate a scenario doesn't mean that scenario can be justified within the game lore.

There is no evidence that a failed indoctrination attempt can kill or daze a reaper nor that indoctrination can be outright beaten. There is evidence it can be countered (Shiala and the Zhu's Hope colonists) or ignored (Rachni Queen), but there is no precedence for indoctrination being literally conquered in one's sleep. Your idea requires the blind acceptance of fabricated lore.

My theory is scientific and observative. You're theory requires blind faith.

demersel wrote...

Also you get the breath scene only in high EMS destroy. That suggests that it has something to do with how much forces and war assets you have. THe easiest explanation - in high ems destroy you've got enough forces to keep harbinger busy or even take him out entirely, while you're unconcious. That makes sense if you consider low ems scenario - your army is too weak to give a fight, you've broken free from the dream, good for you, no harbinger just shoots you for real. The end. )

Once again, you apply a "what if" band-aid. I can only formulate a theory based on what is presented, what I can observe. Fabricating supporting scenarios does not make for a strong case.

[The Heretic of Time]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

For the sake of the non-ITers I have to reply to this in order to defend the majority of the BSN against this nonsense.

I like how you start off with this, then rail against someone else presenting their personal opinion as fact.

Its like you have never heard of irony.

Good to see Byne is back to totally owning people with one sentence.

Except she isn't owning at all and doesn't even see the giant irony in her post.

[paxxton]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hi Heretic. How's your Bad Writing Theory going?

Rather well. The majority on BSN seems to agree with it. But that was actually already before my own Bad Writing Theory thread, that I actually made to simply point out that the IT is nothing more than a pipe dream and that the argument that ME3 is just badly written is more likely to be true.

It'd be really unpleasant if it turned out to be true. There are piles of evidence supporting IT. And it'd be much better if IT was confirmed because it would actually mean that Mass Effect has a future. Bad Writing would ****** off many people and make BioWare lose in the long run.

I actually agree with everything in your post except for the "there are piles of evidence supportint IT" part. So far I have not seen evidence, merely potential clues, speculation and personal interpretations.

As BioWare says, the IT is a valid interpretation of the endings. Until BioWare either confirms or denies the IT, all we can do is speculate, speculate and speculate even more.

And bad writing already pissed off many people. Everyone who saw through BioWare's hack writing and didn't buy into the Indoctrination Theory is already pissed off.

There is evidence which can be interpreted in accordance with ME lore to support IT. Do you honestly think that such an obvious thing as Reaper Indoctrination wouldn't be used by BioWare as the icing on the cake which is the grand "finale" of the series?

Also, have you seen this ?

Modifié par paxxton, 25 août 2012 - 08:09 .

[Andromidius]

The biggest question really is why people come to this thread, argue for months on end over really petty things while repeatedly insisting the thing being argued about is 'just bad writing', throw insults around while making out to be a victim... And don't just stop coming here and sparking more arguments.

Its like walking into a boxing ring with Mike Tyson and wondering why he keeps punching you in the face.

Unless of course these people enjoy it. In which case they are the true definition of a troll. So yeah, either you're a troll or just really stupid Hanar. Which is it? Because you sure as hell aren't constructive, intelligent, polite, insightful, funny, charming or useful in the slightest. You're just an annoyance, either on purpose of by accident.