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[Big_Boss9]

Hrothdane wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I'm still not entirely convinced that Leviathan is, in fact, a Reaper.

Also: Sanity Break

I take your Game of Thrones kitty and raise you one...well, you'll see.

Well played, sir (or madam).

Edit: The top of the page will be our laboratories.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 26 août 2012 - 04:12 .

[Arashi08]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

I can't see how Synthesis is a good thing, regardless of how much BW may or may not try to hype it up. Forcing the entire galaxy to be cyborgs just because the star brat says you can do it doesn't make it the best decision. I find synthesis to be repulsive (at the very least how it is presented in the game) and personally if BW does truly think that synthesis is the best ending then I no longer have faith in their storytelling abilities.

Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now...assuming anyone actually saw me standing on it...

No, I agree. IT or not, I never even considered picking anything other than "Destroy" for my canon Shep. The other two options are thematically revolting. And while the EC-added "Refuse" may involve the patented Shepard speech™, it's still tantamount to giving up. Destroy or bust!

Destroy feels like the only ending where Shepard actually...stays Shepard, the other endings feel like giving up or giving in.  Honestly it almost feels slapped on at the last minute.  I know TIM advocated control throughout the entire game but Synthesis feels slapped on, seemingly only related to the plot by Saren. 

Not to mention that I can't in good conscience advocate control when the man who endorsed it had an Alliance Admiral killed, funded what was essentially a death camp for biotic children, attacked a school to steal gifted children to turn them into mindless cyborg slaves, slaughtered thousands of people by luring refugees to a supposedly "safe" planet free from the reapers just to learn how to control husks, and thinks humans are the best damn thing ever to live ever while the other races are just bodies to step over.

Again...soapbox...sorry

[masster blaster]

Leviathan is the Reaper that Harbinger created. Harbingers kind were the Leviathans synthetics, but once Harbinger was the last of it's kind. It begain to harvest his creators and made them into his personal slave. But after so many years, welll eons.. It managed to breake it's hold over Harbingers Control. Just like Leviathan will do for Shepard. I mean when Shepard picks Destroy, Leviathan will be the one to help Shepard fully wake up.

[StElmo]

Hrothdane wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

Speculation: Leviathan is Harbingers 'Brother', and they were the first 2 true reapers, However Leviathan was the one who did not approve of becoming one.

So like the Eredar/Draenei in World of Warcraft?

Paarthunax and Alduin in skyrim?

God, a brother narrative would be a bit contrived.

[BansheeOwnage]

Hrothdane wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I'm still not entirely convinced that Leviathan is, in fact, a Reaper.

Also: Sanity Break

I take your Game of Thrones kitty and raise you one...well, you'll see.

What the hell did I just...

[BansheeOwnage]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Edit: The top of the page will be our laboratories.

I take it that's not a good thing for me or Estebanus.

[Hrothdane]

I was browsing my youtube favorites and came across this, and it made me think of IT.

[Big_Boss9]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Edit: The top of the page will be our laboratories.

I take it that's not a good thing for me or Estebanus.

Probably not.

[Steelcan]

masster blaster wrote...

Leviathan is the Reaper that Harbinger created. Harbingers kind were the Leviathans synthetics, but once Harbinger was the last of it's kind. It begain to harvest his creators and made them into his personal slave. But after so many years, welll eons.. It managed to breake it's hold over Harbingers Control. Just like Leviathan will do for Shepard. I mean when Shepard picks Destroy, Leviathan will be the one to help Shepard fully wake up.

 Is this speculation or something I don't know about yet?

[BansheeOwnage]

[quote]Arashi08 wrote...


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Destroy feels like the only ending where Shepard actually...stays Shepard, the other endings feel like giving up or giving in.  Honestly it almost feels slapped on at the last minute.  I know TIM advocated control throughout the entire game but Synthesis feels slapped on, seemingly only related to the plot by Saren. 

Again...soapbox...sorry [/quote]
Don't feel bad for telling us your opinion. That's what were all here for. Anyway, here's mine. I think Synthesis and control as end choices were planned for a while. Probably since ME2. Maybe even since ME1. The point is that we forget about it, so we get tricked. That's why it shows TIM in the control flashforward, but conveniently lacks one for synthesis. It's the exact same reason (at least, I can't think of another one) why they didn't include Harbinger taunting Shepard the whole game. To trick us.
1. It would have reminded us of one line he said in particular: You mind will be mine.
2. If he was taunting us the whole game ME2-style everyone would be a lot less likely to pick anything but destroy. Bioware even said something related to that. The starkid doesn't look like Harbinger because no onw would listen to it. There, Bioware basically admitted the "catalyst" is trying to manipulate us.

So I think it was planned, to trick us. Just like I think Shepard's indoc was planned for a long time. At least since Arrival.

[BansheeOwnage]

Steelcan wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Leviathan is the Reaper that Harbinger created. Harbingers kind were the Leviathans synthetics, but once Harbinger was the last of it's kind. It begain to harvest his creators and made them into his personal slave. But after so many years, welll eons.. It managed to breake it's hold over Harbingers Control. Just like Leviathan will do for Shepard. I mean when Shepard picks Destroy, Leviathan will be the one to help Shepard fully wake up.

 Is this speculation or something I don't know about yet?

It's his speculation. Mine is that Leviathan is of the same generation as Harbinger. One of the original few (maybe many) reapers. There is absolutely no way there was only 1 the first cycle.

[BansheeOwnage]

Bleh, reading the troll coments makes me sick. At least I'm not alone is this fight anymore. Thank you, you reasonable, rational people.

[BansheeOwnage]

Codename_Code wrote...

The discussion with heretic hannar, or any other anti IT is useless, they are the council to our shepards, people that need a reaper beam to the face to start believing in reapers.

Lol.

Psst. Someone. Say. Something.                                                              Please.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 26 août 2012 - 04:42 .

[StElmo]

is Shepdog an ITer or ?

[BansheeOwnage]

StElmo wrote...

is Shepdog an ITer or ?

Nope. He's okay. Not a troll, but not nice like HagarIshay.

[The Twilight God]

demersel wrote...

Now. My questions are.
1 - If what we see is whgat is really happenning, How can shepard take a breath ofter all this time (presomably it took from years to decades to rebuild everything.)

The only things that occur in real-time is the CG cutscenes leading up to the the Normandy crash/landing. The narrations are taking place in the middle is just an individual talking about what they foresee will happen. Not what does happen. Even literally speaking they are saying it in the present, but the slides show their envisioned future. So the narrator isn't traveling through time and space. The only real-time events are the fleet crusiing past the broke relay (destroy), the reapers fixing the relay (control) or the Reapers walking around that city(synthesis). The next real-time scenes are the memorial scene and Normandy takeoff/repair occurs.

So the amount of time that goes by is the amount of time for the Normandy to get tossed to wherever it ends up and then take off (or start repairs). It's not saying Shepard was laying there for 200 years while the Krogan build whole ziggurats (which doesn't actually happen; that is just a hope). We don't really know chronologically when the breath scene happens. It could occur before the memorial scene.  

demersel wrote...

2 - If everything in the ending is literal, and shepard is on the citadel, how did he survive the explosion that tore the station to pieces, and originated from his exact location?

There are a few assumptions being made.

1. That Shepard simply stood their at the bottom end of the Citadel and didn't go elsewhere
2. That even if he did the Destroy beam will kill him, when he isn't a synthetic.
3. That the tower and/or presidium explodes.

The places where the ward arm connection to the presidium explode. All these explosions appear to be one singular explosion. The top and two right side arms blow bigger and brighter than the two left. You have to watch it in slow motion. You can see the parts that kind of look like pointy nails (on the presidium end of the wards) fly apart and three arms starting floating away. The presium itself is intact.

The beam is kinda funky. It seems to form near the top point of the tower. The very last shot I could get that shows the whole tower has a thin beam firing from the Citadel tips and it's about to be overlapped by a wider beam from the Crucible. Even after the wider beam fires you can still see the silhouette of the tower within it. Like the energy hitting the Earth's surface, it apparently doesn't destroy structures in high EMS. In which case the Citadel and Shepard can survive.

demersel wrote...

3 - If everything is literal, and shepard is on the citadel, how is he not discovered when the citadel is being rebuilt?

Go back to point 1.

demersel wrote...

And also not related to the above, but interesting non the less:
4 - If everything is literal, how can shepard see the exact things that are going to happen, before making a choice, when he ask the catalyst to firther explain what each choice will do?

Maybe he doesn't see it and it's just for the player's benefit. I personally saw it as a description of the choice to the player. Basically it's telling the player "You have to walk up to this thing and this will happen for X ending","reapers will fly off", "reapers die and fallover", etc. Regardless of what I think it is something you can use for your argument. I can;t really say it isn't intended to be seen as being seen by Shepard.

However, why Harbinger doesn't kill Shepard the moment he breaks indoctrination is another story.

[StElmo]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

StElmo wrote...

is Shepdog an ITer or ?

Nope. He's okay. Not a troll, but not nice like HagarIshay.

He always hating on my threads asking for BW to answer questions, why the lore gets broke etc?

If he was an ITer it would make some sense, because ITers think the writing is world class, which it is if it's true.

[BansheeOwnage]

StElmo wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

StElmo wrote...

is Shepdog an ITer or ?

Nope. He's okay. Not a troll, but not nice like HagarIshay.

He always hating on my threads asking for BW to answer questions, why the lore gets broke etc?

If he was an ITer it would make some sense, because ITers think the writing is world class, which it is if it's true.

That's the annoying part about IT. It is deviding the fanbase. It's making everyone hate each other making literalists hate us, and in turn we hate them. If they disproved IT at least we could all be on the same side.

Liara: What's really bothering you?
Shepard: The BSN's infighting!
The reapers are here and we're too busy fighting each other.

Sadly, I think if aliens invaded we would probably fight each other :/

On the other hand, if literalists accepted that IT isn't proven wrong, and accepted it as an interpretation, we wouldn't need to fight either. Too bad people suck.

[The Twilight God]

TJBartlemus wrote...

It doesn't necessarily need DLC to prove...it could be proven in ME4, which is unlikely IMO. Sure Chris said no more DLC affecting endings (which wouldn't prove IT as shown by EC) but he has yet to say there will be no epilogue DLC. 

Same difference. It's still incomplete as is and based entirely on blind hope.

TJBartlemus wrote...

Why does EMS matter? Hmm...why do the loyalty missions matter? To make sure squadies are alive thus making sure Shepard is alive. The EMS is similar to this. The more EMS the more confident Shepard is, which makes indoctrination harder cause Indoctrination requires breaking the victims will. 

Again I have to ask, what does that have to do with what fantasies Shepard makes up in his own head? His confidence is based on an arbitrary number that only the player can dictate the outcome from? How would Shepard be able to gauge how his fleets' strenght would fair against a fleet of reapers? 

I'm gonna say that whole explaination is kinda iffy and is just grasping at straws, but assuming it were true what does that have to do with the Reaper Core/Reaper Brain utilization? Are you saying low EMS makes it impossible to resist indoctrination... but only if you have the brain? But Shepard can't be indoctrinated if he has the core? But regardless, even in mid EMS there is no breathe scene. It's only a high EMS thing in which the Crucible only destroys synthetics and not structures.
 

[BansheeOwnage]

plfranke wrote...

Bioware knows that a lot of the people that play these games will play them multiple times. The dreams may have made the game more emotional the first playthrough but they become a huge annoyance on future ones.

There is something to be said for that. Now when the dreams start playing, I get this sort of pissed off/you-better-reveal-IT-because-this-is-so-stupid-without-it feeling, if that makes any sense. Also, I just want to point out how much of a ****** off it is to be in bed with Liara, then dream about this kid. I was totally not thinking about things I should be doing with kids at that time.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 26 août 2012 - 05:16 .

[prettz]

uge how do they do those 30 min to 2 hour vids, I'm finally doing my take on IT and 10 hours of work for 1:30 sec TT_TT

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

He wasnt exactly very armored, and we dont even know if that kind of uniform has kinetic barriers on it.

But really, technically lots of people in the games shouldnt have died due to getting shot but did because thats how story and gameplay segregation works. Thats not exactly proof of anything.

Oh come on Byne, he wore that uniform in the end run. He was also not injured at all (very strange considering they made a hurt appearance for Shepard. Strange unless IT.) I find it extremely unlikely (like not possible) that he would die from a single Carnifex round to the gut. TIM too, because of his resistant-to-small-arms-fire suit, but that's a bit less of an issue.

[BansheeOwnage]

prettz wrote...

uge how do they do those 30 min to 2 hour vids, I'm finally doing my take on IT and 10 hours of work for 1:30 sec TT_TT

Writing is very tedious.  Also, what program do you use to record?

[spotlessvoid]

Ninjad

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 26 août 2012 - 05:22 .

[Arashi08]

Out of curiosity, I had a scenario I was thinking about since I was discussing with my friend why I thought destroy was better than control. I came intot he diea, what if there had been two "Shepards" there instead of one, I.E. two heroes that made it to the end and one wanted control and the other wanted destroy.

Say we both decided to choose our selected method of using the Crucible, he picks control and I pick destroy. Since, based on what we've seen of the end result of using the Crucible, it can only be fired once. If he went first and touched those two electric things ang got absorbed but I also was shooting the tube, would that mean that even if he chose control, since I apparently shot something important, would that auomatially make the Crucible fire the red beam instead?

And say, even if I shot the tube before he could touch the conduits, would it then STILL fire the red beam since again, I seemed to shot something important? I suppose, by that argument, the only way he could succeed is if he shot me first before I could shoot the tube, or him lol.

It is a little off-topic, but it was just something I was thinking about. Does it actually make sense? Even if it does I don't know how it could relate to IT, but I figured it would be worth sharing. maaaaaaybe it will fuel more speculation.