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[BansheeOwnage]

Arashi08 wrote...

It is a little off-topic, but it was just something I was thinking about. Does it actually make sense? Even if it does I don't know how it could relate to IT, but I figured it would be worth sharing. maaaaaaybe it will fuel more speculation.

Short answer? No. It doesn't make sense. But not because of you. It doesn't make sense, because shooting a tube to activate something doesn't really make sense at all. *cough* unless it's an IT nod to shooting the tubes in ME2 to kill a reaper *cough*

Estebanus can take this one:


That seems like a very unproductive way of building stuff.

"To activate this toaster, you just need to destroy that conduit over there!"

Not at all cost-prohibitive!
- Estebanus

Edit: Top! Ha!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 26 août 2012 - 05:30 .

[Lokanaiya]

TTG, picking Destroy frees Shepard from indoctrination, but as soon as he does that Harbinger decides to go with plan B and just kill Shepard. The only way that he can be stopped is if there are enough military forces on your side to keep him or his forces from reaching you, hence why Shepard can only wake up in high EMS endings. Got it?

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 26 août 2012 - 05:31 .

[Arashi08]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

It is a little off-topic, but it was just something I was thinking about. Does it actually make sense? Even if it does I don't know how it could relate to IT, but I figured it would be worth sharing. maaaaaaybe it will fuel more speculation.

Short answer? No. It doesn't make sense. But not because of you. It doesn't make sense, because shooting a tube to activate something doesn't really make sense at all. *cough* unless it's an IT nod to shooting the tubes in ME2 to kill a reaper *cough*

Estebanus can take this one:


That seems like a very unproductive way of building stuff.

"To activate this toaster, you just need to destroy that conduit over there!"

Not at all cost-prohibitive!
- Estebanus

Edit: Top! Ha!

Yes, it seems like, to make the Crucible too what it was supposed to do...you need to break it.  I'm fairly certain the Crucible was built to destroy the Reapers; that was the plan of every civilization that built it yes?  But in order to make it do that you have to shoot something that is on the Citadel, apparently overloading the Crucible so it can essentially malfunction and Destroy the Reapers. 

This leads to the conclusion that, either the Crucible was designed for only control and synthesis, and that's what the earliest civilizations wanted, or the Crucible is, in fact, another Reaper trap, or at least a device that they expect organics to build, like the diea of it being the drive core for the Citadel relay that links to Dark Space.

[BansheeOwnage]

Arashi08 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

It is a little off-topic, but it was just something I was thinking about. Does it actually make sense? Even if it does I don't know how it could relate to IT, but I figured it would be worth sharing. maaaaaaybe it will fuel more speculation.

Short answer? No. It doesn't make sense. But not because of you. It doesn't make sense, because shooting a tube to activate something doesn't really make sense at all. *cough* unless it's an IT nod to shooting the tubes in ME2 to kill a reaper *cough*

Estebanus can take this one:


That seems like a very unproductive way of building stuff.

"To activate this toaster, you just need to destroy that conduit over there!"

Not at all cost-prohibitive!
- Estebanus

Edit: Top! Ha!

Yes, it seems like, to make the Crucible too what it was supposed to do...you need to break it.  I'm fairly certain the Crucible was built to destroy the Reapers; that was the plan of every civilization that built it yes?  But in order to make it do that you have to shoot something that is on the Citadel, apparently overloading the Crucible so it can essentially malfunction and Destroy the Reapers. 

This leads to the conclusion that, either the Crucible was designed for only control and synthesis, and that's what the earliest civilizations wanted, or the Crucible is, in fact, another Reaper trap, or at least a device that they expect organics to build, like the diea of it being the drive core for the Citadel relay that links to Dark Space.

You missed one possibility:



IT.

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

How did you come up with that conclusion?  Not to mention that there are countless cases in all three games, when you shoot people with a pistol in a cut scene - and they die. (sometimes they are even dressed in full armor, like the eclipse asari merc in ME2 thane recruitment mission)

That's not weird at all. Shepard's whole squad opened fire on her.

[The Twilight God]

Hrothdane wrote...

Building off the bolded part, low EMS means that it takes far more effort for Shepard's squad to reach the beam. If you watch the squadmates die, they look too exhausted to move out of the way of the beam. Seeing two close friends die as he/she watches helplessly damages Shepard's morale and will immensely.

I thought that's only very low EMS that they die. Do they live or die in mid range EMS? 

[BansheeOwnage]

The Twilight God wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Building off the bolded part, low EMS means that it takes far more effort for Shepard's squad to reach the beam. If you watch the squadmates die, they look too exhausted to move out of the way of the beam. Seeing two close friends die as he/she watches helplessly damages Shepard's morale and will immensely.

I thought that's only very low EMS that they die. Do they live or die in mid range EMS? 

I think they die actually. Not sure though. I know Shepard only wakes up in high EMS, but that's not even relevant.

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

If everything is happening -

6 - What killed all those men in the hallway? (that one keeper?)

Keeper 20.

[The Twilight God]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Now that I got all of your attention...I want to show something odd.

Have you noticed that in the new scenes of the EC regarding how Hackett knew Shep was on the Citadel the ships in relation to the Crucible change positions. Look from 7:22 to 7: 40 and you will see what I mean. In the first the Alliance ships are backwards to the front of the Crucible and then 10 secs later they have pulled a full 180. 

They are in the same position... They are facing forward and you see the the Crucible from the front. Then they are still facing forward as toy see the Crucible from behind. In both times they are moving in the same direction and facing the face direction as the crucible.

[BansheeOwnage]

The Twilight God wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Now that I got all of your attention...I want to show something odd.

Have you noticed that in the new scenes of the EC regarding how Hackett knew Shep was on the Citadel the ships in relation to the Crucible change positions. Look from 7:22 to 7: 40 and you will see what I mean. In the first the Alliance ships are backwards to the front of the Crucible and then 10 secs later they have pulled a full 180. 

They are in the same position... They are facing forward and you see the the Crucible from the front. Then they are still facing forward as toy see the Crucible from behind. In both times they are moving in the same direction and facing the face direction as the crucible.

Looks like TJ was right to me....

[Hrothdane]

The Twilight God wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Building off the bolded part, low EMS means that it takes far more effort for Shepard's squad to reach the beam. If you watch the squadmates die, they look too exhausted to move out of the way of the beam. Seeing two close friends die as he/she watches helplessly damages Shepard's morale and will immensely.

I thought that's only very low EMS that they die. Do they live or die in mid range EMS? 

I'm trying to find a reliable source on this but not having any luck. Even the Mass Effect wiki doesn't specify. I saw a high-rated youtube comment that says they got the squadmate deaths at approx. 1850 EMS (low EMS is 1750 or below), but obviously youtube comments aren't exactly reliable

[I_eat_unicorns]

 
Would IT people still believe in IT if Bioware said "IT is wrong" word for word?

As if the ec dlc along with priestly's posts about no more ending changes wasn't enough, but would IT supporters still believe in the IT if Bioware said it was wrong verbaitm?

I think they would. The new vid of the IT just shows how much in denial the IT supporters are at this point, and how butthurt they are over the original endings and can't accept that they won't get better. 

During the original fiasco, people poured in money, formed groups, and ranted enough to get attention like this:
http://games.yahoo.c...-173411384.html 

http://www.nbcnews.c...answered-514404 

and then we got the ec dlc. It did a good job at addressing most of the community concerns, but it didn't fix the following major things:

- why is there an option to control the reapers when we just shot the illusive man over the idea two seconds ago?
- the whole "organics vs synthetics" cliche problem introduced at the last 10 min
- why synthesis is even an option when it goes against the me universe (I guess that has to do with the previous point)
- The origin of the reapers/why the kid is the catalyst (hoping leviathan will fix this issue)

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">After pouring in all of our resources as a community to get a better ending, and the most we got was an expansion, what else could we do? B*tch about them more to get a better ending? We have nowhere as near as much of the willpower as a community to do the same thing. I know a lot of people who've played the trilogy, got upset about the original endings, and were pretty satisfied with the ec dlc. Also, I'm pretty sure Bioware wanted to apoligize through the dlc  ] [/color]

That being said, I think it's time to move the IT dream, con, puzzle, and all speculations concerning the endings to the fan creation thread. It's what they are, and people can still believe them, because that's what fans do. 

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">At this point, currently believeing that the writers "secretly intended the IT to be correct" after the release of the EC DLC is exactly equal to believing that the thing in the box at the end of 'Seven ' was a ham sandwich, or that Obi Wan Kenobi was meant to be Luke Skywalker come back from the future to guide himself. ] [/color]

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with that. But if there can be a 'truth' to the structure of a work, it's the author's intention. And me's writers do not intend the IT, or any other over-speuclated fan theory to be that end. 

Most fan theories for the endings require ANOTHER game to finish the fight against the reapers. This is just being childish, as a trilogy is meant to end at just the endings. Bioware has also said multiple times that this is the end of shepard's story, no more commander shepard, and I know people have siad "OH TEY LIE", but if they say such stuff after the work is done like the ec dlc, I think they mean it, not like lying about the games endings after it went gold to promote sales. 

Even though this community loves the mass effect universe, I still think that these fan theories need to move to the fan creation thread since they go against the established works of the series. 

Modifié par I_eat_unicorns, 26 août 2012 - 06:03 .

[prettz]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

prettz wrote...

uge how do they do those 30 min to 2 hour vids, I'm finally doing my take on IT and 10 hours of work for 1:30 sec TT_TT

Writing is very tedious.  Also, what program do you use to record?

fraps. which ended up using 3 TB to get all 3 games then I had to encode them to a smaller format. what I'm saying is that I've been editing the first 1:30 sec for 10 hours cause I have to try things 20 different ways till I'm satisfied.

[jgibson14352]

ignore this troll.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

That doesn't matter to me. I'm a soldier. And when I play a video game, then I damn well want to play a soldier with my own gender! I'm fed up with the notion that male protagonists somehow are better than female ones. I'm living proof that females also can be soldiers!

Seconded. If there is a new protagonist, and I can't be female, I doubt I'd buy it. I love that I can finally play as a female in ME. I've never been able to do that in my other games.

Anyway, the thread seems to get slow whenever I get here, so I'm out for the night. See you all tomorrow. 3 days and counting!

[I_eat_unicorns]

jgibson14352 wrote...

ignore this troll.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was a discussion forum. If you won't allow other peoples opinions to be recognized, why bother posting in the first place?

How am I trolling? Have you read anything I wrote?

[StElmo]

jgibson14352 wrote...

ignore this troll.

I don';t think he's a troll, he makes some valid points. But I only hope IT is true, I don't believe it without actual proof.

[StElmo]

Anyone getting sick of "does it prove IT?" meme, it's such a back handed little bit of spam.

[spotlessvoid]

StElmo wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

ignore this troll.

I don';t think he's a troll, he makes some valid points. But I only hope IT is true, I don't believe it without actual proof.

Anyone who's personal mission is to get IT moved to the fan fiction section clearly has a deep hatred for the the theory. His disdain for us and admitted agenda combined with his documented history make him 100% troll

[ThisOneIsPunny]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 
The new vid of the IT just shows how much in denial the IT supporters are at this point, and how butthurt they are over the original endings and can't accept that they won't get better. 


That being said, I think it's time to move the IT dream, con, puzzle, and all speculations concerning the endings to the fan creation thread. It's what they are, and people can still believe them, because that's what fans do. 


This is just being childish

Even though this community loves the mass effect universe, I still think that these fan theories need to move to the fan creation thread since they go against the established works of the series. 

This is your problem and why gibs thinks you're a troll.
Make your points, but there is no need to blatantly insult anyone here in the process.

[shepdog77]

StElmo wrote...

Anyone getting sick of "does it prove IT?" meme, it's such a back handed little bit of spam.

Does this prove IT?

[Hrothdane]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

ignore this troll.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was a discussion forum. If you won't allow other peoples opinions to be recognized, why bother posting in the first place?

How am I trolling? Have you read anything I wrote?

You have and continue to insult the people here for disagreeing with you and then act all indignant and stand-offish when you get called out on it.

If you wish for people to listen to your opinions, you could at least make the token effort of acting respectful and polite. 

Good manners are the price of admission to a discussion.

[The Twilight God]

demersel wrote...

No he doesn't. Don't make unbased ussumpions. Shepard lies there in the dark. It's quite. No sounds or light flashes, that might indicate ongoing battle. No reaper sounds. That means that harbinger is not around for some reason. At least at that particular moment.  

Yeah, he lies in a dark room vs under an open sky.

The light of the Conduit isn't shinning on him and it illuminated that whole stretch of dirt during the run. You can even hear debris being moved around at the start and it has the echoed sound of an enclosed chamber. I don't know where he is, but it's not somewhere out in the open. Look at how he is laying there. He's on top of a pile of debris and there is so such stuff cluttered and piled around him that wasn't there on the ground when the beam came. He'd have had to limb over that stuff. He's is within the rubble of a structure. Those cables (that aren;t on the ground by the conduit but are seen in the Citadel) are handing from somewhere (like a ceiling). I'm guess here, but it looks like a floor collapsed under Shepard and he fell through it. Or he stumbled over and passed out on existing rubble. But regardless they way he is positioned and given the sheer size and amount of the cement/steel pieces that is not the dirt ground around the Conduit. His armor is furthermore damaged in the exact same way as it is in the supposed dream.

demersel wrote...

Again pure unbased speculation. Mass Effect 3 end's when shepard is either gets indoctrinated, breaks free of it. (which is by the NO SMALL FEAT - it is nearly impossible to do so).   Shepard making the impossible! Breaking free of indoctrination! That's sounds like a great point to end the game to me! You disagree? Too bad, cause the game really does end there. 

Well, I don't believe in your Dream Theory so it's not really a matter of liking or disliking from the Dream theory perspective. As I don;t believ ein Dream theory the ending is the Crucible firing, reapers dying, other plents shong reapers dying, normandy crash, hackett telling us wht he hopes will happen next and memorial, then Shepard may be alive and maybe someone is finding him (as it sounded like someone was moving debris). Rather or not Shepard ultimately lives or dies is headcanon. Now ending on THAT note isn't quite the same as ending when Harbinger's beam is heading in Shepard's vicinity. The games doesn't end there ( which you're saying it does). You disagree? Too bad, cause it keeps on going and Shepard rides the Conduit up, shoots TIm and activates the Crucible.

demersel wrote...

You assume that indoctrination has the purpose to take control of shepard. Why? What would be the point? You could just kill him - that would have the same effect on the morals of opposition. If you turn him do your bidding what would be the use of that? 

If you believe that then what's the use of indoctrinating him? To what end?

demersel wrote...

I state that the final scenes are infact a reaper infused dream. It is also a battle. The point is, reapers, namely Harbinger, are trying to destroy Shepard. Destroy everything that he is, and humiliate him in the process. Crush his will t olive and fight, and SHOW IT TO HIM. MAKE HIM COUNCIUSLY ABANDON HIS IDEALS. And lose a will to live.

Huh? In your own words, "Why? What would be the point? You could just kill him"

demersel wrote...

EMS is relevant here because it determines Shepard's will strengh. If the EMS is high - it means that shepard KNOWS he did everything he could and the galaxy is as ready to fight the reapers as it can ever be. He kwos there are assets, allies that are fighting. He knows what he's done and accoumplished. And that gives him strengh to resist. When crushing and subverting fails - reapers try to make shepard LET GO. To be at peace with the way things are. this is whe the show him what the crucible does, what happens to the normandy (in high ems before EC normandy crushes but the crew survives, but they are stranded forever on the planet and shepard will never see them again, in the EC they fly off into the sunrise - they'll be fine). and the slide show. Reapers try to make you either to stop to care, or to let go and make peace. (and that is exactly what has happened in real life, to many ME fans - they either stopped caring, or let go).

An EMs is just an arbitrary number for the player to gauge. Shepard could have 10K EMS and not know his chances. He can;t know that he did everything he could. The player can, but not Shepard. Shepard cannot know what to expect.

You are, of course, welcome to believe whatever you like. But I feel you're grasping at straws here. There's no lin eof reasoning. You still haven;t mentioned the brain and core. 

[Hrothdane]

StElmo wrote...

Anyone getting sick of "does it prove IT?" meme, it's such a back handed little bit of spam.

I used to find it mildly humorous, but now it has just become a stock phrase.

[shepdog77]

Hrothdane wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Anyone getting sick of "does it prove IT?" meme, it's such a back handed little bit of spam.

I used to find it mildly humorous, but now it has just become a stock phrase.

Does this prove IT?