shepdog77 wrote...
Hrothdane wrote...
StElmo wrote...
Anyone getting sick of "does it prove IT?" meme, it's such a back handed little bit of spam.
I used to find it mildly humorous, but now it has just become a stock phrase.
Does this prove IT?
demersel wrote...
The Twilight God wrote...
2. Liara says "the Crucible didn't work" vs "We never got to use the Crucible"
By the way... What happens if your EMS is LOW and you have LIARA with you at the beam run and she gets desintegrated, and then you choose refuse?
How can she say the crucible didn't work or that they never got to use it is SHE's DEAD BEFORE that happens and she can record that messege???
StElmo wrote...
Please stop using that phrase.
The Twilight God wrote...
demersel wrote...
The Twilight God wrote...
2. Liara says "the Crucible didn't work" vs "We never got to use the Crucible"
By the way... What happens if your EMS is LOW and you have LIARA with you at the beam run and she gets desintegrated, and then you choose refuse?
How can she say the crucible didn't work or that they never got to use it is SHE's DEAD BEFORE that happens and she can record that messege???
Actually, Refuse requires mid range EMS and up. You can't refuse on low EMS.
Still trying to figure out if they die in mid or just low.
shepdog77 wrote...
StElmo wrote...
Please stop using that phrase.
An if I don't?
Hrothdane wrote...
The Twilight God wrote...
demersel wrote...
The Twilight God wrote...
2. Liara says "the Crucible didn't work" vs "We never got to use the Crucible"
By the way... What happens if your EMS is LOW and you have LIARA with you at the beam run and she gets desintegrated, and then you choose refuse?
How can she say the crucible didn't work or that they never got to use it is SHE's DEAD BEFORE that happens and she can record that messege???
Actually, Refuse requires mid range EMS and up. You can't refuse on low EMS.
Still trying to figure out if they die in mid or just low.
You can still refuse on low EMS by shooting the kid.
I'm still not finding anything about mid EMS either. Apparently, nobody thought it was worth posting a video of : /
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shepdog77 wrote...
StElmo wrote...
Please stop using that phrase.
An if I don't?
I just beat the game, and I thought the whole last mission was supposed to come off as being a waking dream or hallucination. I did't realize that there was debate over it until I came on the forum earlier today. TBH I thought it was obvious that it wasn't completely "real", but that's just my opinion. I still can't decide if it was nothing but a dream, or if only some parts of it were hallucinated. I lean more towards the later.I_eat_unicorns wrote...
Would IT people still believe in IT if Bioware said "IT is wrong" word for word?
As if the ec dlc along with priestly's posts about no more ending changes wasn't enough, but would IT supporters still believe in the IT if Bioware said it was wrong verbaitm?
I think they would. The new vid of the IT just shows how much in denial the IT supporters are at this point, and how butthurt they are over the original endings and can't accept that they won't get better.
During the original fiasco, people poured in money, formed groups, and ranted enough to get attention like this:
http://games.yahoo.c...-173411384.html
http://www.nbcnews.c...answered-514404
and then we got the ec dlc. It did a good job at addressing most of the community concerns, but it didn't fix the following major things:
- why is there an option to control the reapers when we just shot the illusive man over the idea two seconds ago?
- the whole "organics vs synthetics" cliche problem introduced at the last 10 min
- why synthesis is even an option when it goes against the me universe (I guess that has to do with the previous point)
- The origin of the reapers/why the kid is the catalyst (hoping leviathan will fix this issue)
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">After pouring in all of our resources as a community to get a better ending, and the most we got was an expansion, what else could we do? B*tch about them more to get a better ending? We have nowhere as near as much of the willpower as a community to do the same thing. I know a lot of people who've played the trilogy, got upset about the original endings, and were pretty satisfied with the ec dlc. Also, I'm pretty sure Bioware wanted to apoligize through the dlc ] [/color]
That being said, I think it's time to move the IT dream, con, puzzle, and all speculations concerning the endings to the fan creation thread. It's what they are, and people can still believe them, because that's what fans do.
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">At this point, currently believeing that the writers "secretly intended the IT to be correct" after the release of the EC DLC is exactly equal to believing that the thing in the box at the end of 'Seven ' was a ham sandwich, or that Obi Wan Kenobi was meant to be Luke Skywalker come back from the future to guide himself. ] [/color]
You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with that. But if there can be a 'truth' to the structure of a work, it's the author's intention. And me's writers do not intend the IT, or any other over-speuclated fan theory to be that end.
Most fan theories for the endings require ANOTHER game to finish the fight against the reapers. This is just being childish, as a trilogy is meant to end at just the endings. Bioware has also said multiple times that this is the end of shepard's story, no more commander shepard, and I know people have siad "OH TEY LIE", but if they say such stuff after the work is done like the ec dlc, I think they mean it, not like lying about the games endings after it went gold to promote sales.
Even though this community loves the mass effect universe, I still think that these fan theories need to move to the fan creation thread since they go against the established works of the series.
Putok wrote...
I just beat the game, and I thought the whole last mission was supposed to come off as being a waking dream or hallucination. I did't realize that there was debate over it until I came on the forum earlier today. TBH I thought it was obvious that it wasn't completely "real", but that's just my opinion. I still can't decide if it was nothing but a dream, or if only some parts of it were hallucinated. I lean more towards the later.
I find it interesting that people can see the same thing, but interpret it so differently.
Modifié par StElmo, 26 août 2012 - 07:28 .
Yeah.StElmo wrote...
Putok wrote...
I just beat the game, and I thought the whole last mission was supposed to come off as being a waking dream or hallucination. I did't realize that there was debate over it until I came on the forum earlier today. TBH I thought it was obvious that it wasn't completely "real", but that's just my opinion. I still can't decide if it was nothing but a dream, or if only some parts of it were hallucinated. I lean more towards the later.
I find it interesting that people can see the same thing, but interpret it so differently.
Did you play with the extended cut?
Putok wrote...
I just beat the game, and I thought the whole last mission was supposed to come off as being a waking dream or hallucination. I did't realize that there was debate over it until I came on the forum earlier today. TBH I thought it was obvious that it wasn't completely "real", but that's just my opinion. I still can't decide if it was nothing but a dream, or if only some parts of it were hallucinated. I lean more towards the later.I_eat_unicorns wrote...
Would IT people still believe in IT if Bioware said "IT is wrong" word for word?
As if the ec dlc along with priestly's posts about no more ending changes wasn't enough, but would IT supporters still believe in the IT if Bioware said it was wrong verbaitm?
I think they would. The new vid of the IT just shows how much in denial the IT supporters are at this point, and how butthurt they are over the original endings and can't accept that they won't get better.
During the original fiasco, people poured in money, formed groups, and ranted enough to get attention like this:
http://games.yahoo.c...-173411384.html
http://www.nbcnews.c...answered-514404
and then we got the ec dlc. It did a good job at addressing most of the community concerns, but it didn't fix the following major things:
- why is there an option to control the reapers when we just shot the illusive man over the idea two seconds ago?
- the whole "organics vs synthetics" cliche problem introduced at the last 10 min
- why synthesis is even an option when it goes against the me universe (I guess that has to do with the previous point)
- The origin of the reapers/why the kid is the catalyst (hoping leviathan will fix this issue)
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">After pouring in all of our resources as a community to get a better ending, and the most we got was an expansion, what else could we do? B*tch about them more to get a better ending? We have nowhere as near as much of the willpower as a community to do the same thing. I know a lot of people who've played the trilogy, got upset about the original endings, and were pretty satisfied with the ec dlc. Also, I'm pretty sure Bioware wanted to apoligize through the dlc ] [/color]
That being said, I think it's time to move the IT dream, con, puzzle, and all speculations concerning the endings to the fan creation thread. It's what they are, and people can still believe them, because that's what fans do.
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">At this point, currently believeing that the writers "secretly intended the IT to be correct" after the release of the EC DLC is exactly equal to believing that the thing in the box at the end of 'Seven ' was a ham sandwich, or that Obi Wan Kenobi was meant to be Luke Skywalker come back from the future to guide himself. ] [/color]
You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with that. But if there can be a 'truth' to the structure of a work, it's the author's intention. And me's writers do not intend the IT, or any other over-speuclated fan theory to be that end.
Most fan theories for the endings require ANOTHER game to finish the fight against the reapers. This is just being childish, as a trilogy is meant to end at just the endings. Bioware has also said multiple times that this is the end of shepard's story, no more commander shepard, and I know people have siad "OH TEY LIE", but if they say such stuff after the work is done like the ec dlc, I think they mean it, not like lying about the games endings after it went gold to promote sales.
Even though this community loves the mass effect universe, I still think that these fan theories need to move to the fan creation thread since they go against the established works of the series.
I find it interesting that people can see the same thing, but interpret it so differently.
Putok wrote...
Yeah.StElmo wrote...
Putok wrote...
I just beat the game, and I thought the whole last mission was supposed to come off as being a waking dream or hallucination. I did't realize that there was debate over it until I came on the forum earlier today. TBH I thought it was obvious that it wasn't completely "real", but that's just my opinion. I still can't decide if it was nothing but a dream, or if only some parts of it were hallucinated. I lean more towards the later.
I find it interesting that people can see the same thing, but interpret it so differently.
Did you play with the extended cut?
X086573 wrote...
quite honestly, while i believe IT is a cool theory, i don't believe in it (and yes, i have looked INTO the theory, but still don't truly believe in it).
however, the feeling that the ORIGINAL ending gave me felt as if i had just woken up from a dream, just from the shear shock of "what just happened". but that was fixed with the EC.
but i do have a question.
why on the EC, when you go through the conduit onto the citadel, after you do that roll and land on the ground, when Anderson asks you a question, it does that weird sharp jolt kinda sound, i don't know how to describe it, but with the IT in mind, it freaked me out.
thoughts?
X086573 wrote...
quite honestly, while i believe IT is a cool theory, i don't believe in it (and yes, i have looked INTO the theory, but still don't truly believe in it).
however, the feeling that the ORIGINAL ending gave me felt as if i had just woken up from a dream, just from the shear shock of "what just happened". but that was fixed with the EC.
but i do have a question.
why on the EC, when you go through the conduit onto the citadel, after you do that roll and land on the ground, when Anderson asks you a question, it does that weird sharp jolt kinda sound, i don't know how to describe it, but with the IT in mind, it freaked me out.
thoughts?
Yup. I chose destroy right off the bat, which may have contributed to it, but even before that I was quite sure that things weren't as they seemed. Blurriness and odd skeletal dancing trees upon waking, odd noise in the citadel, bleeding ceilings in the Citadel, Anderson and Illusive Man appearing out of thin air, Shep bleeding where he shot Anderson, Catalyst's appearance + logic + admiting to being "the" Reaper, and Catalyst/Boss Reaper trying to convince you that IM's goal was right all made me very sure that there was attempted manipulation and some degree of hallucination. I didn't think that the whole thing might have been a dream until I saw Shepard start breathing at the end, though I found having to break something to turn the Crucible on very odd.StElmo wrote...
Putok wrote...
Yeah.StElmo wrote...
Putok wrote...
I just beat the game, and I thought the whole last mission was supposed to come off as being a waking dream or hallucination. I did't realize that there was debate over it until I came on the forum earlier today. TBH I thought it was obvious that it wasn't completely "real", but that's just my opinion. I still can't decide if it was nothing but a dream, or if only some parts of it were hallucinated. I lean more towards the later.
I find it interesting that people can see the same thing, but interpret it so differently.
Did you play with the extended cut?
Oh really? awesome, and you still thought it was like a dream type scenario? Awesome!
chidingewe8036 wrote...
My Shepard Refused, The Starchild Reaper thing said "SO BE IT", after that my Shepard woke up at the beam on the ground, then actually made it onto the Citadel for real, he found and fought some creature, monster, alien that was part of The Reapers, after my Shepard defeated it it self destructed destroying all The Reapers in the process and The Citadel.
Before The Citadel was destroyed a la The Collector Base, my Shepard's Team came back for him before The Citadel exploded into nothing. Then you have a Collector Base moment when my Shepard leaps from The Citadel's falling debris and is barely caught with one hand by his LI.
With the Citadel bursting into flames and a mushroom cloud of fire and electricity etc. rising just beneath The Normandy, my Shepard's LI struggles and pulls him onboard. With my Shepard in their arms the LI yells out to Joker "get us outta here". The Normandy then makes an epic escape a la Collector Base style to avoid The Citadel's Destruction and make the jump to hyperspace before The Reaper killing/Ship disabling explosion catches them.
By the way The End Run Theme from ME2 would be playing during all of this.
A little rough around the edges but hopefully some of you get the point lol its better than what we got. Thats my head canon ending and I am sticking to it, don't judge me to harshly now lol
Putok wrote...
Yup. I chose destroy right off the bat, which may have contributed to it, but even before that I was quite sure that things weren't as they seemed. Blurriness and odd skeletal dancing trees upon waking, odd noise in the citadel, bleeding ceilings in the Citadel, Anderson and Illusive Man appearing out of thin air, Shep bleeding where he shot Anderson, Catalyst's appearance + logic + admiting to being "the" Reaper, and Catalyst/Boss Reaper trying to convince you that IM's goal was right all made me very sure that there was attempted manipulation and some degree of hallucination. I didn't think that the whole thing might have been a dream until I saw Shepard start breathing at the end, though I found having to break something to turn the Crucible on very odd.StElmo wrote...
Putok wrote...
Yeah.StElmo wrote...
Putok wrote...
I just beat the game, and I thought the whole last mission was supposed to come off as being a waking dream or hallucination. I did't realize that there was debate over it until I came on the forum earlier today. TBH I thought it was obvious that it wasn't completely "real", but that's just my opinion. I still can't decide if it was nothing but a dream, or if only some parts of it were hallucinated. I lean more towards the later.
I find it interesting that people can see the same thing, but interpret it so differently.
Did you play with the extended cut?
Oh really? awesome, and you still thought it was like a dream type scenario? Awesome!
I'm still not entirely sure what I think happened. I'm not inclined to believe that the whole thing was just a dream, only because it's such a trite and contrived get out of jail free card for the writer to allow a sequel, but Stargazer does basically say "BTW, there's gonna be a sequel."
X086573 wrote...
quite honestly, while i believe IT is a cool theory, i don't believe in it (and yes, i have looked INTO the theory, but still don't truly believe in it).
however, the feeling that the ORIGINAL ending gave me felt as if i had just woken up from a dream, just from the shear shock of "what just happened". but that was fixed with the EC.
but i do have a question.
why on the EC, when you go through the conduit onto the citadel, after you do that roll and land on the ground, when Anderson asks you a question, it does that weird sharp jolt kinda sound, i don't know how to describe it, but with the IT in mind, it freaked me out.
thoughts?
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