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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Hrothdane

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Re-quoting from the ME3 datapad news feed:

"Mystery creates wonder, and wonder is the basis of man's desire to understand." - Niel Armstrong

/salute


/salute

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spotlessvoid

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I'm about to choose synthesis with my bed. Hopefully tomorrow will be about speculating instead of more flaming. Nite

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spotlessvoid wrote...

I'm about to choose synthesis with my bed. Hopefully tomorrow will be about speculating instead of more flaming. Nite


lol now I got the image of a half human half bed walking around.... least you will be cuddley.

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Hey folks, what have I been missing all day?

#13980
CoolioThane

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Trolls trolls everywhere. ****s the lot of them

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Just woke up, glad to see the trollstorm is over

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 Sup guys i have a thread about some indoc files i found ingame, check it out :
http://social.biowar.../index/13842943 

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Norlond

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Generalfil wrote...

 Sup guys i have a thread about some indoc files i found ingame, check it out :
http://social.biowar.../index/13842943 

/Generalfil


My thoughts? The devs know that we are able to browse through the gamefiles, so they put little hints that are not 100% clear in there to tease us :P

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Norlond wrote...

Generalfil wrote...

 Sup guys i have a thread about some indoc files i found ingame, check it out :
http://social.biowar.../index/13842943 

/Generalfil


My thoughts? The devs know that we are able to browse through the gamefiles, so they put little hints that are not 100% clear in there to tease us :P


probaly :)

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Norlond

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Generalfil wrote...

Norlond wrote...

Generalfil wrote...

 Sup guys i have a thread about some indoc files i found ingame, check it out :
http://social.biowar.../index/13842943 

/Generalfil


My thoughts? The devs know that we are able to browse through the gamefiles, so they put little hints that are not 100% clear in there to tease us :P


probaly :)


It would just be too easy for us if they revealed IT in the files, I think the same way most people here do: IF they ever confirm IT, it will be ingame, that's the most epic way to do it B)

Have to do some stuff now, I'll be back in 1-2 hours

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Rifneno

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Hmm. This is odd. I'm going through the plot flags they have listed and one of them has me baffled. "ShotAK". The options are Player (Shepard), Liara, EDI, James (Vega), Garrus, and Prothean (Javik).

Who or what is AK? The only person with those initials I can think of is Dr. Amanda Kenson, the indoctrinated woman on Arrival. But obviously only Shepard can shoot her. Javik sure as hell can't, he's frozen until long after she's dead. Maybe it's to do with the standoff on the Citadel? Tali not being involved supports that. But why would Udina be called AK? And why isn't the VS an option since they can shoot him?

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They weren't trolls.

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Fixers0

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Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. This is odd. I'm going through the plot flags they have listed and one of them has me baffled. "ShotAK". The options are Player (Shepard), Liara, EDI, James (Vega), Garrus, and Prothean (Javik).


Ashley and Kaiden.

Modifié par Fixers0, 26 août 2012 - 12:15 .


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Fixers0 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. This is odd. I'm going through the plot flags they have listed and one of them has me baffled. "ShotAK". The options are Player (Shepard), Liara, EDI, James (Vega), Garrus, and Prothean (Javik).


Ashley and Kaiden.


<smacks forehead>  So simple!  Thanks.

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lex0r11 wrote...

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WOW, ME2 has some awesome graphics.

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Sup?

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estebanus wrote...

They weren't trolls.


Believe me, Heretic and ieatunicorns truly are trolls. They come back once every couple of weeks and say the exact same thing to gauge a reaction and don't listen to any response. That line unicorns uses about the box at the end of seven and obi wan/Luke is both retarded and something he says every time despite the pointing out of the fact what he says is bull****

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Rifneno

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CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

They weren't trolls.


Believe me, Heretic and ieatunicorns truly are trolls. They come back once every couple of weeks and say the exact same thing to gauge a reaction and don't listen to any response. That line unicorns uses about the box at the end of seven and obi wan/Luke is both retarded and something he says every time despite the pointing out of the fact what he says is bull****


Agreed.  Those two are truly a waste of bandwidth.

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The Heretic of Time

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I'm not a troll CoolioThane, but you wouldn't recognize a real troll even if it hits you in the face.

I write long replies and come up with arguments. When people give me the chance, I actually am capable of having normal discussions. Paxxton, Demersel and I proved that yesterday. I actually enjoyed my discussion with paxxton and I hope the feeling is mutual.


It's just people like you who manage to irritate me. It's only people like you I like to troll.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I'm not a troll CoolioThane, but you wouldn't recognize a real troll even if it hits you in the face.

I write long replies and come up with arguments. When people give me the chance, I actually am capable of having normal discussions. Paxxton, Demersel and I proved that yesterday. I actually enjoyed my discussion with paxxton and I hope the feeling is mutual.


It's just people like you who manage to irritate me. It's only people like you I like to troll.


I tried.
I really tried holding it off, but I can't.

knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/trolling

Trolling refers to any behavior that is meant to intentionally anger or frustrate someone else. It is often associated with online discussions where users are subjected to offensive or superfluous posts and messages in order to provoke a response.


Modifié par MaximizedAction, 26 août 2012 - 12:54 .


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The Heretic of Time

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I'm not a troll CoolioThane, but you wouldn't recognize a real troll even if it hits you in the face.

I write long replies and come up with arguments. When people give me the chance, I actually am capable of having normal discussions. Paxxton, Demersel and I proved that yesterday. I actually enjoyed my discussion with paxxton and I hope the feeling is mutual.


It's just people like you who manage to irritate me. It's only people like you I like to troll.


I tried.
I really tried holding it off, but I can't.

knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/trolling

Trolling refers to any behavior that is meant to intentionally anger or frustrate someone else. It is often associated with online discussions where users are subjected to offensive or superfluous posts and messages in order to provoke a response.


Your point?

Like I said, there are some people I think deserve to be trolled, but others do not.

But for the well being of everyone, including myself, I decided to stop my previous behavior and instead focus on the people who are nice and don't deserve to be trolled, like paxxton and demersel. Even making fun of people gets boring after a while. So I stopped with that and I actually even apologized for my previous behavior to some of the IT members. It all happened yesterday. Look it up if you don't believe me. I haven't trolled ever since.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 26 août 2012 - 01:02 .


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First things first:
I've been lurking the forums a few days now. But now I feel entitled to tell my story.
I recently played ME 3 first time, with EC DLC. I heard about IT nothing besides the title, since I did not want to spoil my gaming experience with knowledge about the ends.
So, I played the game without having any kind of bias or whatsoever. I only knew that the ending is bad.

My feelings and associations with the end:
The whole period after Harbinger's beam was bizarre to say the least. I wondered why I did not have my fancy hardsuit anymore.
The architecture of the Citadel (Meathouse hallway, Shadowbroker engine, TIMs office) was bizarre (I even started to shoot at Anderson while entering the control room, since I thought it has to be TIM, because the room resembled his office,:pinched:).
Then the discussion between TIM and Anderson. I was sure there is something messing with my Shep's head and Anderson hanging around like a puppet was weird. Me shooting Anderson was even weirder (yay, space-magic..!). How come TIM has such a direct influence on my Shep? So, let's imagine it is all at face value. If Reaper-Tech is that advanced that you can directly control someone like in that scene, especially through an indoctrinated minion, why did not Saren in ME1 (or any random husk) stop Shep in this manner? Why did not TIM let Shep shoot him/herself?
Later, when Shep is unconcious and is being elevated to the Choosing Chamber, these were my thoughts: "Awe, cr@p...! This reminds me of the ending of Battlestar Galactica, which is the biggest let-down I've experienced."
I was expecting some divine cr@p. In the end, after having the conversation with the Starchild, I was pretty sure that he is with the Reapers. He himself states that, so why should I trust him? In the end, I got the refuse ending and was kind of disappointed, :blink:.

TL;DR:
At my very first playthrough without having heard of IT and WITH EC DLC, I was pretty sure that the scenes after Harbinger's beam is not real and there is something going on in the background.

€dit: Typos, spelling and grammar.

Modifié par Restrider, 26 août 2012 - 01:12 .


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Hey guys, I was playing through the Rio map on MP last night and noticed something odd: that T78 (or whatever one means infrasound) sign is present in a couple of places on the extraction zone side with an arrow pointing down. Just something to speculate on.

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Anyway, Twillight God, I'm not answering to you any more, until you answer this. 

To Twilight God  Demersel wrote...


First of all - the beam isn't a conduit. The conduit in ME1 had mini mass relay, which you had to drive into. A beam is just a beam of light. No one knows what it does. For some reason they assume that it has something to do with the citadel, cause it appeared after the citadel arrive on orbit. They also know that reapers guard it. And that they drive captured people into the beam and no-one seem comes out. And that's it. 

For your theory to work you first have to prove to me that the beam does, what you say it does. 

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So you admit that at least the slide shows are in fact not what actually happens, but rather like a vision of the future. a fantasy, an assumption on what could happen.  That's good. I'm glad we sorted this out. But if those are unreal, how the rest is? 

We agree on the point that the catalyst whants to trick you. Ok.  So he says - " you can do A, B, and C."   you can ask him, " if I do a C, what will happen?" the catalyst shows you parts of the wision - "it will go like this" "OK, i like it. I pick C"   then you get a vision that literaly tells you "you picked C? ok it goes like this." using exactly the same pictures that the catalyst just showed you. 

The catalyst tries to trick you. Everything he does is aimed at that. He can even make you see visions to do so (anderson and illusuve man choosing their options, parts of the vision of the future).   after you make a choice - you see a vision of the future.  Now prove to me that it isn't the catalyst still tricking you. And please don't use "but the catalyst is dead at this point!" argument - because it is anly his word you have for this fact, and we already agreed on that he's trying to trick you. 

Even we we assume that everything up to the point of choice is real, how can we say that everything that is comig after is, given the fact that the catalyst means to trick you? 


No. The catalyst chamber. So let's assume it is real. 

1 - everything is happening in reality.
2 - the crucible is real, and it is ready to fire.
3 - shepard is really there.
4 - Catalyst is there to trick shepard.
5 - the catalyst is actaully a reaper. (or on the side of the reapers.)
6 - Shepard at this point has no clue to what is crucible,  how does crucible work, and what does it actually do. 

all these are given in "everything is really happenning" scenario. 

Now. Why would the catalyst, that is trying to trick shepard, who doesn't have any idea how the thing works, why would he tell him, "If you shoot this tube you'll kill all reapers, including me.", especially if it's true???

Great plan. You could just come up to almost dead shepard and say - you've got to jump into the beam. That's what the crucible is for. It is the only option. You thought it is for destroying reapers? Na-ha. It does stop the reaper threat, but by fusing all organic life with synthetics. Oh you don't believe me? Excuse me, do you have any kind of sceince degree? Did you actually work on building the thing? Did ever even glanced at the schematics? I thought so. Jump into the beam. What's that? The illusive man? He glanced at the schematics once? And he was sure that it allows a person to take control of all the reapers? Didn't you just shoot him in the head? Well, if you really want to, you can try crabbing those to sparckling electrodes. 

And that's it. If the decision chamber is literal, and not methaphoric, not taking place iscide Shepard's mind, AND if we know the catalyst is trying to trick shepard into something, and is in fact a reaper - there is no way and no reason for him to even give you a destroy option. It would be extremly stupid and crazy of him to do so. 

The only way for the decision chamber to be real and the effects of the crucible to be real is if the catalyst is really some neutral, impartial, benign god-like entitty, or a VI user manual program. Which we know he's not. 

Bam! Proven! Decision chamber is a dream. 

You really didn't thought your IT-con nonsense through, did you? 

 

Modifié par demersel, 26 août 2012 - 07:24 .