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[masster blaster]

Okay TTG, can you explain, why out of all of the stupid f****** cycles. Not a single organic found the Catalyst Chambers at all? And why is it that if everything happence is for real. Explain how the hell are they going to find Shepard!. It makes no sense, if they know that Anderson is dead, since they we not their at all, and please explain why the hell if they know about Anderson is dead. For no reason what so ever can not find Shepard. For christ sake Shepard is in a place where nobody can find him/her. S

[The Twilight God]

jgibson14352 wrote...

alright ill back off.

but seriously, where and when did the devs say anything about the force field? because either way, its just stupid. why cant we see it like we saw the force field EDI put up when we activated Legion? and why would there be gravity?

"a "membrane" of dense, colorless sulphur hexafluoride gas, held in place by carefully managed mass effect fields." ?

Same invisible shield that didn't vent the council chamber when chunks of Sovereign bursted through. Same invisible mass effect fields that hold the ward arms' air in. Same invisible fields around the console room with Anderson and TIM.

[spotlessvoid]

The Reapers knew about the crucible plans. Why is it that every cycle managed to safeguard the plans? How likely is it that the Reapers didn't destroy them intentionally?

[spotlessvoid]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

He's not going to change that's the problem. I've been around the internet long enough to know a troll when I see one. Btw the first thing they'll often do is deny being a troll.

I'm going to prove you wrong. In fact I'm already proving you wrong, as I haven't trolled for a while now.

2 days is not a while

but fwiw i'll leave it alone until you revert to form

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 27 août 2012 - 01:15 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

I wish kicking my smoking habit for 2 whole days counted as good effort.

[The Twilight God]

TJBartlemus wrote...

I disagree.

And that's fine.

However, I do not agree with you and that isn't going to change. The fact remains that Shepard does not acknowledge seeing images beamed into his head. He isn't startled, doesn't say "Oh, what is this I'm seeing!" or "get out of my head!" Nothing. He takes time to ponder and then the conversation continues as if nothing happened. shepard does not close hs eyes when seeing Destory or Control. Only for Synthesis does his eyes close and even then during a time of excessive blinking. He keeps openning and closing his eyes several times.

I personally believe tha Starbinger is Harbinger. A projection like the one at the end of Arrival. Leviathan may flip that script or the Starbinger may be within all Reapers like a mega geth (he's just quantum software). So, yes, I'm sure he's in Shepard's mind. No doubt. But showing him imagines that he doesn;t respond to? No. But like I said, your belief is just as valid as my disbellief. I don't see bioware making a unique CG cut just to demonstrate Shepard imagining what the outcomes would be. They have a 2gb limit.

TJBartlemus wrote...

Now in the Catalyst discussion where the visions occur there is no evident disconnect of Player and Character. So it is logical to deduct that both see the vision.

And you think bioware is going to make up a unigue CG clip, on top of the ending cutscene, depictng the same events but different just to show how Shepard imagines it happening in his own head... on a free 2gb DLC patch?  Whatever floats your boat. Regardless, I see it as intended for the player, not Shepard.

[Iconoclaste]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay TTG, can you explain, why out of all of the stupid f****** cycles. Not a single organic found the Catalyst Chambers at all? And why is it that if everything happence is for real. Explain how the hell are they going to find Shepard!. It makes no sense, if they know that Anderson is dead, since they we not their at all, and please explain why the hell if they know about Anderson is dead. For no reason what so ever can not find Shepard. For christ sake Shepard is in a place where nobody can find him/her. S

I will only answer the question regarding Anderson's death : the omnitool. Comm device, and most probably monitoring device too, among the pack of things it can do. We already have smartphones today, with GPS and lots of customisation possibilities. I would bet that in any future world, all people would carry something like a smartphone or communication device, with lots of capabilities (just extrapolating from actual trends).

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 27 août 2012 - 01:43 .

[spotlessvoid]

Just because you don't recognize your hallucinations as being out of place doesn't mean they're real Twilight God

[masster blaster]

But you forget that if that was the case, then why could't they find Shepard? Also why the hell is Anderson even up there in the first place. I get with the whole Lock on to omiotool thing, but if he has a tool. Then why no Gel at all. Why not Gel for Shepard if he/she Omiotool is working if they can find Anderson witha tracker. It makes no sense if they find Shepard at all because he/she is still in the same place if you think outside IT. Also if Shepard is not in the Chamber, then it makes no sense for Shepard to live any where else on the Citadel.

If I am not mistaken, the lwas of gravity still aply. If the fields are still up on the Citadel, then gravity still aplys. So if Shepard is flying to any where else on the Citadel, then Shepard is most likly to die. Before anyone argues with me think about it. If you look at the distance between Shepard and any part of the Citadel, you can beat your a** that he/she will die.

[The Twilight God]

Hrothdane wrote...

As has already been said numerous times by numerous people on this thread, you DONT need the flycam to see Coates on the Citadel.

Post a video.

[The Twilight God]

You guys need to understand that I'm answering posts in order. So I may be 3-4 pages back. Have patience. I've answered is already, but just saying. I'll get to posts whn I get to them. Sometimes I leave the forums to do other things. I've been seeing alot of "he hasn't responded" posts.

If I genuinely missed your post (i.e. I've replied to one that was posted after yours) then PM a link.

TJBartlemus wrote...

@TTG - No opinions or comments on this? Nothing to disprove it? If the scenes are indeed real then explain this. PS. Please don't say cause of a simple error in the development cause that is false. BioWare had plenty of time to produce it and with so much riding on it. Practically it meant the future of the ME universe in a majority of the ME fan population and if it means that much it also meant a lot to EA who would make a profit over possible future games/DLC if it went well. They wouldn't just leave an error like this. Don't say that they didn't notice it either cause that is BS. The dev team goes over everything many many times to find errors like this, and if I found it on the 2nd to 3rd time of watching it I am sure they did too. No, it was intentionally left like that. So knowing that please explain how this is logical in the literal sense.

Replied to. Now you look silly.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 27 août 2012 - 02:02 .

[masster blaster]

" TTG" It's when the Keeper is taking off Coats helmet. You can see his hair, and his forhead, so he is there. Yet once Shepard get's up the Keeper, Coats/ the helmet, and the other Alliance guy is gone. If you watch the video, the Camra pans in right where Coats, the Keeper, and the other guy should be. So it was there on purpose, yet it vanished.

[Putok]

The Twilight God wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I disagree.

And that's fine.

However, I do not agree with you and that isn't going to change. The fact remains that Shepard does not acknowledge seeing images beamed into his head. He isn't startled, doesn't say "Oh, what is this I'm seeing!" or "get out of my head!" Nothing. He takes time to ponder and then the conversation continues as if nothing happened. shepard does not close hs eyes when seeing Destory or Control. Only for Synthesis does his eyes close and even then during a time of excessive blinking. He keeps openning and closing his eyes several times.

I personally believe tha Starbinger is Harbinger. A projection like the one at the end of Arrival. Leviathan may flip that script or the Starbinger may be within all Reapers like a mega geth (he's just quantum software). So, yes, I'm sure he's in Shepard's mind. No doubt. But showing him imagines that he doesn;t respond to? No. But like I said, your belief is just as valid as my disbellief. I don't see bioware making a unique CG cut just to demonstrate Shepard imagining what the outcomes would be. They have a 2gb limit.

TJBartlemus wrote...

Now in the Catalyst discussion where the visions occur there is no evident disconnect of Player and Character. So it is logical to deduct that both see the vision.

And you think bioware is going to make up a unigue CG clip, on top of the ending cutscene, depictng the same events but different just to show how Shepard imagines it happening in his own head... on a free 2gb DLC patch?  Whatever floats your boat. Regardless, I see it as intended for the player, not Shepard.

I don't think there's an doubt that starchild was Harbinger. The "So be it!" in the refusal ending sounds just like Harbinger to me.

Establishing that it's Harbinger, and that he's in Shepard's head creates a lot of room for reasonable doubt about how real or unreal the endings were, which is a good thing in my opinion.

[spotlessvoid]

The Twilight God wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

As has already been said numerous times by numerous people on this thread, you DONT need the flycam to see Coates on the Citadel.

Post a video.

That's even secondary to the point that it was extra work to change Coats character model to add a helmet.

[RenegonSQ]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

As has already been said numerous times by numerous people on this thread, you DONT need the flycam to see Coates on the Citadel.

Post a video.

That's even secondary to the point that it was extra work to change Coats character model to add a helmet.

I'd love to see a video as well though

[Iconoclaste]

masster blaster wrote...

But you forget that if that was the case, then why could't they find Shepard? Also why the hell is Anderson even up there in the first place. I get with the whole Lock on to omiotool thing, but if he has a tool. Then why no Gel at all. Why not Gel for Shepard if he/she Omiotool is working if they can find Anderson witha tracker. It makes no sense if they find Shepard at all because he/she is still in the same place if you think outside IT. Also if Shepard is not in the Chamber, then it makes no sense for Shepard to live any where else on the Citadel.

If I am not mistaken, the lwas of gravity still aply. If the fields are still up on the Citadel, then gravity still aplys. So if Shepard is flying to any where else on the Citadel, then Shepard is most likly to die. Before anyone argues with me think about it. If you look at the distance between Shepard and any part of the Citadel, you can beat your a** that he/she will die.

He can crash from space down to a planet's surface and be "salvaged", flying to some other part of the Citadel is far less damaging in comparison. As for the "tracking", the omnitool Shepard is carrying might have worked until the blast, but not after. Much simpler explanation than supposing Anderson is somewhere else (we don't know = speculation), Shepard is "sleeping" in plain sight of all the dangers he was escaping around the Conduit's base (the husks are cuddling him on the head while he sleeps?), or he's wandering around the Conduit's base while no one intervenes, which is quite unlikely.

As for "surviving (after landing) on the Citadel", Twilight God has explained the Codex' passage I myself referenced in the IT thread Mark I : there are mass effect fields holding a thin layer that keeps an artificial atmosphere almost everywhere on the Citadel.

[Iconoclaste]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

As has already been said numerous times by numerous people on this thread, you DONT need the flycam to see Coates on the Citadel.

Post a video.

That's even secondary to the point that it was extra work to change Coats character model to add a helmet.

Props are not difficult to add : once it's done, it's done for the whole game. The animation is also quite "easy", the Unreal Engine takes care of the "physics" (ragdoll effect and such), no need to put hours of work on that. In fact, most 3D desing /animation software make animation much easier than it was some years ago, if the rigging and skeletons are done intelligently, which I have no doubt has been done here.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 27 août 2012 - 02:13 .

[masster blaster]

Iconoclaste wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

But you forget that if that was the case, then why could't they find Shepard? Also why the hell is Anderson even up there in the first place. I get with the whole Lock on to omiotool thing, but if he has a tool. Then why no Gel at all. Why not Gel for Shepard if he/she Omiotool is working if they can find Anderson witha tracker. It makes no sense if they find Shepard at all because he/she is still in the same place if you think outside IT. Also if Shepard is not in the Chamber, then it makes no sense for Shepard to live any where else on the Citadel.

If I am not mistaken, the lwas of gravity still aply. If the fields are still up on the Citadel, then gravity still aplys. So if Shepard is flying to any where else on the Citadel, then Shepard is most likly to die. Before anyone argues with me think about it. If you look at the distance between Shepard and any part of the Citadel, you can beat your a** that he/she will die.

He can crash from space down to a planet's surface and be "salvaged", flying to some other part of the Citadel is far less damaging in comparison. As for the "tracking", the omnitool Shepard is carrying might have worked until the blast, but not after. Much simpler explanation than supposing Anderson is somewhere else (we don't know = speculation), Shepard is "sleeping" in plain sight of all the dangers he was escaping around the Conduit's base (the husks are cuddling him on the head while he sleeps?), or he's wandering around the Conduit's base while no one intervenes, which is quite unlikely.

As for "surviving (after landing) on the Citadel", Twilight God has explained the Codex' passage I myself referenced in the IT thread Mark I : there are mass effect fields holding a thin layer that keeps an artificial atmosphere almost everywhere on the Citadel.

That's my point, if there is atmosphere on the Citadel, then people saying Shepard is some where else on the Citadel is unlikly. If he/she was, then Shepard can still die. the distance from where Shepard is at, to any where else on the Citadel is to long. Also SHepard died do to the lack of oxygen remember at the beginning of ME2. Shepard's helmet was breached, but was declared dead, do to the rentre.

[Iconoclaste]

masster blaster wrote...

That's my point, if there is atmosphere on the Citadel, then people saying Shepard is some where else on the Citadel is unlikly. If he/she was, then Shepard can still die. the distance from where Shepard is at, to any where else on the Citadel is to long. Also SHepard died do to the lack of oxygen remember at the beginning of ME2. Shepard's helmet was breached, but was declared dead, do to the rentre.

I just played the beginning of ME2 yesterday, just for the kicks and to see the cutscenes. When the animated sequence that shows the "rebuilding" of Shepard goes on, it's clear that he was implemented with lots of mech and tech, into all his body, we even see blood cells been chemically "revived". This is, actually, not possible. At that point in time, in a fantasy world, it has been shown to be feasible. I do not find it hard to believe that he could survive a few seconds through a relative void, and a rough landing somewhere on the wards.

I can recall the old movie, "2001 : A Space Odyssey", where at some point the main character has to go through a short span of "void" to re-enter the main spaceship, without a helmet. He blasted the door of his "shuttle", and was ejected with the gasses outside, managed to open the hatch of the main ship, got into the bay, closed the door and re-pressurized the room. It was a long minute, but he survived, and it didn't seem "impossible" at all. That was a simple human, with no helmet.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 27 août 2012 - 02:24 .

[TheConstantOne]

The Twilight God wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I disagree.

And that's fine.

However, I do not agree with you and that isn't going to change. The fact remains that Shepard does not acknowledge seeing images beamed into his head. He isn't startled, doesn't say "Oh, what is this I'm seeing!" or "get out of my head!" Nothing. He takes time to ponder and then the conversation continues as if nothing happened. shepard does not close hs eyes when seeing Destory or Control. Only for Synthesis does his eyes close and even then during a time of excessive blinking. He keeps openning and closing his eyes several times.

I personally believe tha Starbinger is Harbinger. A projection like the one at the end of Arrival. Leviathan may flip that script or the Starbinger may be within all Reapers like a mega geth (he's just quantum software). So, yes, I'm sure he's in Shepard's mind. No doubt. But showing him imagines that he doesn;t respond to? No. But like I said, your belief is just as valid as my disbellief. I don't see bioware making a unique CG cut just to demonstrate Shepard imagining what the outcomes would be. They have a 2gb limit.

I'm sort of in the middle ground in this argument.  I consider the entire decision chamber scene to be in Shepard's mind.  As a result, all of the discourse taking place between the Star Kid and Shepard are actually Shepard's various thought processes.  As a result, the images that flash on screen could be interpreted as Shepard's thoughts...but the Shepard on screen isn't actually mulling over the decision.  The Shepard we control in this scene is Shepard's conscious self, much as the same as the Shepard we control in his other dreams.  The environment itself and all that happens in it are part of Shepard's thoughts.

So no thoughts would be *beamed* into Sheaprd's head.  The flashing images after the details of each choice are given are themselves what Shepard is thinking.  They are a part of the dream.

Now I admit that I can't find the beginning of this debate so I'm trying to jump in based off of context 

[masster blaster]

Het have we talked about Keeper 20 at all, but in more dept. Something is not right with that Keeper. If you watched the videos that the Shadow Broker had on it, it was very mind blowing of the stuff it got it's self into.

[spotlessvoid]

You're saying the model already existed?

Regardless they KNEW we'd be looking yet put that in there. And the disappearing trick? That's above board as well right?

[Iconoclaste]

spotlessvoid wrote...

You're saying the model already existed?

Regardless they KNEW we'd be looking yet put that in there. And the disappearing trick? That's above board as well right?

The models all exist before the levels are being put together, usually. Any animation can be transferred from one model to a similarly rigged model, same thing for props, with some adjustments. Not a big deal there. And they mostly added the 3D models in the dark corridor to "cover" the badly textured piles of "corpses" that were associated to Kaidan and Ashley.

The "disappearing" sequence is another matter, I give you that. I saw a video of that and was amazed, but since there were mixed scenes back and forward in time, and usage of the "flycam", I could not make up my mind on that issue. I would have to play through that sequence again sometime.

[masster blaster]

I have to disagree with that. If That's the case then Wrex shouldn't have died at all do even though he was shot, and Shepard was more f*** up than Wrex was. Also if what TTG says happens, yet with IT still happening, then Shepard's implants are gone. Catalyst says Shepard is partly Synthetic, in which case. By picking Destroy, not only do all Synthetics die, but Shepard's implants as well. Think about it if all Synthetics are all going do die, then everything that made Shepard come back to life is gone.

Also TTG why should Destroy happen for real, and not the other chocies. That's where I have a problem. If you say everything happens at the end is real, but Catalyst is trying to trick you into picking Control, and Synthesis makes even less sense. You see by saying Destroy really happens, the people that say everything is not IT, and happens counters what you say.

If you say it all happend, yet Catalyst wanted Shepard to pick Control and Synthesis so they can Indoctrinate him/her makes no sense. If you say the things you see in Control, and Synthesis are false promises, then why not Destroy?