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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

NubXL wrote...

I'm not trying to "troll" anyone. I hadn't even thought about this delusion since EC came out. I assumed that it would slowly die off in the face of mountains of evidence and dev confirmation that it was false. I only came here because I was linked to the aforementioned "documentary", of which I couldn't make it through more than a few minutes. It's pure, unadulterated desperation and insanity.

By all means, enjoy your fanfic, but I sincerely hope you realize that's all that this is.

How unbelievably pathetic. How about you first go into a discussion knowing what the hell you're talking about? It's obvious to me that the only one who needs medication is you.

Thank you Estebnaus. Posted Image Posted Image


We need to find a way to distinguish between Estebanus and his sister.

Also this just popped into my head: Estebanus' sister needs to confirm whether or not Estebanus actually has a brother. I'm still split on whether I actually believe it was his brother who posted that screamer a few months ago.

I dont know why I even still care about it at this point though. :unsure:


Edit: BansheeOwnage is here yet I get top of the page?

I am disappoint, Banshee.

Modifié par byne, 27 août 2012 - 06:19 .


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Hrothdane wrote...

Stop trying to scare him off! I'm enjoying this discussion.

Sorry, but you seem to be one of the few. I just want the discussion moved to another forum. Say, "IT-con vs IT what? classic?" Maybe in his own theory's thread? It's just getting a bit annoying, that's all. After all the trolls today, and this, I'm not really wanting to stick around. Posted Image Today, I mean. I'm not leaving the thead. Posted Image

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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

NubXL wrote...

I'm not trying to "troll" anyone. I hadn't even thought about this delusion since EC came out. I assumed that it would slowly die off in the face of mountains of evidence and dev confirmation that it was false. I only came here because I was linked to the aforementioned "documentary", of which I couldn't make it through more than a few minutes. It's pure, unadulterated desperation and insanity.

By all means, enjoy your fanfic, but I sincerely hope you realize that's all that this is.

How unbelievably pathetic. How about you first go into a discussion knowing what the hell you're talking about? It's obvious to me that the only one who needs medication is you.

Thank you Estebnaus. Posted Image Posted Image


We need to find a way to distinguish between Estebanus and his sister.

Also this just popped into my head: Estebanus' sister needs to confirm whether or not Estebanus actually has a brother. I'm still split on whether I actually believe it was his brother who posted that screamer a few months ago.

I dont know why I even still care about it at this point though. :unsure:


Edit: BansheeOwnage is here yet I get top of the page?

I am disappoint, Banshee.

Why? You prefer when I'm on top? Posted Image Anyway, she could just say something at the bottom, like this:
- Estebanusister

RvB tomorrow :D
Also,  what do you mean about a brother and a "screamer"? I wasn't here I don't think.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...


Also,  what do you mean about a brother and a "screamer"? I wasn't here I don't think.


Just read this page. The quote at the top has the screamer linked and Estebanus says it was his brother near the bottom.

Considering that was like 1900 pages ago, I dont know why I still remember it, but I do.

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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


Also,  what do you mean about a brother and a "screamer"? I wasn't here I don't think.


Just read this page. The quote at the top has the screamer linked and Estebanus says it was his brother near the bottom.

Considering that was like 1900 pages ago, I dont know why I still remember it, but I do.

Well I remember a lot of things that don't really seem important at face value. Here's what I have to say about that: all information is useful information.

Anyway, should I actually click the link? It seems dangerous... Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


Also,  what do you mean about a brother and a "screamer"? I wasn't here I don't think.


Just read this page. The quote at the top has the screamer linked and Estebanus says it was his brother near the bottom.

Considering that was like 1900 pages ago, I dont know why I still remember it, but I do.

Well I remember a lot of things that don't really seem important at face value. Here's what I have to say about that: all information is useful information.

Anyway, should I actually click the link? It seems dangerous... Posted Image


Its not that bad if you're expecting it and your volume's low. Just a generic screamer, though, not missing out on much if you dont click it.

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Ffffff, I just HAD to click the screamer link without realizing my speakers are turned up.

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byne wrote...

Its not that bad if you're expecting it and your volume's low. Just a generic screamer, though, not missing out on much if you dont click it.

Thanks for the warning. Also, WTF?

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I just now realized that Dwailing was right when he described me as IT's "Batman".

In this case, Christopher Nolan style.

I've done most of my bit, now I mostly just sit back and watch you guys.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

I just now realized that Dwailing was right when he described me as IT's "Batman".

In this case, Christopher Nolan style.

I've done most of my bit, now I mostly just sit back and watch you guys.

Huh. So, who is everyone else? If Byne is Ra's al Ghul, then that's freaking epic!

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So is IT-con the same thing as the WNT?

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Can someone explain what these abbreviations mean? IT-con, WNT, etc?

I just beat the game a couple days ago and checked out this forum then. I assumed it was intended for the player to think that some or all of what was happening after the Harbinger beam was dream/waking dream/hallucination/indoctrination attempt (not quite sure yet myself), and when I saw there was debate, decided to check out these threads.

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So Arian, have you played any more KS? Or do you plan on just sticking with only doing Emi's route?

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Chris Priestly officially debunked IT.

Can we please move on? :(

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Fingertrip wrote...

Chris Priestly officially debunked IT.

Can we please move on? :(

When? Wouldn't that kind of contradict them not confirming or denying it?

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Putok wrote...

Can someone explain what these abbreviations mean? IT-con, WNT, etc?

I just beat the game a couple days ago and checked out this forum then. I assumed it was intended for the player to think that some or all of what was happening after the Harbinger beam was dream/waking dream/hallucination/indoctrination attempt (not quite sure yet myself), and when I saw there was debate, decided to check out these threads.


I don't fully understand IT-con or where its name comes from. WNT stands for the waking nightmare theory which suggests the events of the ending did happen for real, but Shepard's perception of these events were twisted by indoctrination. 

IT-con seems to suggest similar things which is why Im confused as to whether theyre basically the same thing or not. 

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byne wrote...

So Arian, have you played any more KS? Or do you plan on just sticking with only doing Emi's route?


Currently, don't have alot of time lately and haven't been in the mood, though I can assure you, at some point I will.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Putok wrote...

Can someone explain what these abbreviations mean? IT-con, WNT, etc?

I just beat the game a couple days ago and checked out this forum then. I assumed it was intended for the player to think that some or all of what was happening after the Harbinger beam was dream/waking dream/hallucination/indoctrination attempt (not quite sure yet myself), and when I saw there was debate, decided to check out these threads.


I don't fully understand IT-con or where its name comes from. WNT stands for the waking nightmare theory which suggests the events of the ending did happen for real, but Shepard's perception of these events were twisted by indoctrination. 

IT-con seems to suggest similar things which is why Im confused as to whether theyre basically the same thing or not. 

I don't know, but it sounds like something I came up with myself (and I totally don't think btw) that the endings are literal but the starkid is still trying to indoctrinate you. :/

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Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

So Arian, have you played any more KS? Or do you plan on just sticking with only doing Emi's route?


Currently, don't have alot of time lately and haven't been in the mood, though I can assure you, at some point I will.


Well, let me know when you do. I'm interested to hear what you think of the other routes.

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Fingertrip wrote...

Chris Priestly officially debunked IT.

Can we please move on? :(


I KNOW!I can't sleep at night knowing this thread still exists. These people are dangerous

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Chris Priestly officially debunked IT.

Can we please move on? :(

When? Wouldn't that kind of contradict them not confirming or denying it?


This AGAIN Finger?

Chris Priestly himself said IN PLAIN ENGLISH that IT has not been debunked and remains a valid interpretation to the end of the game. He also stated that there are layers of meaning and subtle symbolism and metaphor in the ending.

Tully Ackland has been on record as having said that there are aspects of the game with non-literal interpretations.

So... they were lying then? Because I have not seen ONE, count them, ONE SINGULAR occasion where they debunked it or said "No, IT is not real and does not apply."

Not ONCE have they said as much.

Can YOU move on from your pessimism? IT has yet to be debunked, Bioware avoids comment on it, and has yet to even barely touch it. They have made NO official statements of ANY kind short of "We're not saying one way or the other."

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byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

So Arian, have you played any more KS? Or do you plan on just sticking with only doing Emi's route?


Currently, don't have alot of time lately and haven't been in the mood, though I can assure you, at some point I will.


Well, let me know when you do. I'm interested to hear what you think of the other routes.


Will do. I think I'd probably like Lilly. And maybe Rin. Though I'd say Rin is a bit too much like me for a relationship with anyone like her to work out.

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Fingertrip wrote...

Chris Priestly officially debunked IT.

Can we please move on? :(


Link please? Last time I looked the IT was described as "a perfectly valid interpretation" and "the EC will neither confirm nor deny the IT."

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You guys need to let IT go. If Bioware had really made this amazing twist ending they would have already revealed it through a community manager or twitter

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Whats with all the irrational hate for the theory?