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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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EpyonX3

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I haven't really followed the news on Leviathan but right now you guys make it sound like Bioware is planning to slowly change the entire game via DLC...


I don't think they'll change anything about the Endings. However, they'll be doing a lot to the game before it.

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The Twilight God

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Erm, no. Where are you getting that from? Most of the transistions are these wonderful things called loading screens. You might have heard of them, might not have. The ones that aren't loading screens are black screens.


Loading screens aren't transitions. Transitions refer to a particular style or pattern imposed on screen heralding a the progression from one shot or scene to another. For ME3, Bioware only used one transition in in the entire game (to my recollection).

Lokanaiya wrote...

You mean like the there's a white transistion during the ending, so the transistion must not be used excusively in dreams, therefore the ending isn't a dream?


No, I've made no such claim. That is a strawman.

I've made no comments regarding transitions being inherently indicative of their being no dream. What I have professed is that there is no evidence on which to even proceed interpreting events in the context of a dream. The entire premise of Dream Theory is circumstantial evidence: The conclusion being established first, then the circumstantial evidence and finally you're back to the conclusion. The conclusion shouldn't proceed the evidence.

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Hrothdane wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
I would suggest stopping with the whats.  Chris might get the wrong idea about what we do in here. :whistle:


I concur.

You guys are making us look like this.



Hahaha! So hilarious.

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Norlond

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I bet Leviathan's coming out at 7pm tomorrow, stupid timezones

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munnellyladt

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I wonder how much it will impact the charging down the hill scene,But to be honest I've got a feeling it will just be harbinger blowing up leviathan after a quick fight...
Actually how would two reapers fight?
Would they just shoot lasers at each other or would they try and grab each other?

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munnellyladt wrote...

I wonder how much it will impact the charging down the hill scene,But to be honest I've got a feeling it will just be harbinger blowing up leviathan after a quick fight...
Actually how would two reapers fight?
Would they just shoot lasers at each other or would they try and grab each other?

Maybe Harbinger will shoot up in the air and there will be a grand fight with blasts and flashes.

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The Twilight God

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Iconoclaste wrote...

The Catalyst is not a simple AI or software-driven intelligence : it's the "chief AI" of the Reapers, and it surely has a much advanced and powerful processing power. To be able to subvert minds and suggest "dreams" and "hallucinations", in all regards this is a powerful AI. No doubt it can asses rapidly what the Crucible is doing to its systems. Even if it doesn't know every detail of what's going to happen, it's still more informed on the Crucible's capabilities than any other being in the game, even the Crucible's designers, since they didn't even know of the intimate functions of the Citadel.


I'm fairly certain the original designers knew what it would do. They designed it. It's purpose became muddled throughout the cycles as species who were technologically inferior could not grasp it's full purpose. However, prior to returning to Earth is is know that the Crucible will destroy the Reapers. It is the question of how it will discriminate and target only the Reapers that is unknown. The Crucible scientist fear it will destroy everyone as in the low EMS Destroy ending.

Furthermore, the Kid should be aware of it's functions. It has had eyes on the Crucible in prior cycles and had enough technical knowledge to construct the contraption comprisong the synthesis array, control prongs and whatever was preventing the Crucible from firing automatically; all pre-built into the Citadel and designed to wrok in concrt with the Crucible.

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Norlond

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munnellyladt wrote...

I wonder how much it will impact the charging down the hill scene,But to be honest I've got a feeling it will just be harbinger blowing up leviathan after a quick fight...
Actually how would two reapers fight?
Would they just shoot lasers at each other or would they try and grab each other?


He'll probably pull an Obi-Wan Kenobi and sacrifice himself to save Luke Shepard from Darth Vader Harbinger :P

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Dwailing wrote...

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Holy crap, this thread is still running?


Holy crap, this stupid question again?


In case you didn't know, Earthborn is one of our long time supporters.  I understand your response if you didn't know, but please show more respect for one of our fellow ITists in the future.  Thank you. :)


Yeah I jumped the gun. Sorry.

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Norlond wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

I wonder how much it will impact the charging down the hill scene,But to be honest I've got a feeling it will just be harbinger blowing up leviathan after a quick fight...
Actually how would two reapers fight?
Would they just shoot lasers at each other or would they try and grab each other?


He'll probably pull an Obi-Wan Kenobi and sacrifice himself to save Luke Shepard from Darth Vader Harbinger :P


And then he'll become a blue ghost to guide Shepard through the challenges ahea-

Ohgodno


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munnellyladt wrote...

I wonder how much it will impact the charging down the hill scene,But to be honest I've got a feeling it will just be harbinger blowing up leviathan after a quick fight...
Actually how would two reapers fight?
Would they just shoot lasers at each other or would they try and grab each other?


Harbinger will probably just ignore Leviathan too:D

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Norlond

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byne wrote...

Norlond wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

I wonder how much it will impact the charging down the hill scene,But to be honest I've got a feeling it will just be harbinger blowing up leviathan after a quick fight...
Actually how would two reapers fight?
Would they just shoot lasers at each other or would they try and grab each other?


He'll probably pull an Obi-Wan Kenobi and sacrifice himself to save Luke Shepard from Darth Vader Harbinger :P


And then he'll become a blue ghost to guide Shepard through the challenges ahea-

Ohgodno


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munnellyladt

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Norlond wrote...

byne wrote...

Norlond wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

I wonder how much it will impact the charging down the hill scene,But to be honest I've got a feeling it will just be harbinger blowing up leviathan after a quick fight...
Actually how would two reapers fight?
Would they just shoot lasers at each other or would they try and grab each other?


He'll probably pull an Obi-Wan Kenobi and sacrifice himself to save Luke Shepard from Darth Vader Harbinger :P


And then he'll become a blue ghost to guide Shepard through the challenges ahea-

Ohgodno


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spotlessvoid

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'Please...you have to choose synthesis'.

Flog...I can't stop laughing at this

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Norlond

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Ok, then if you pick control or synthesis, you get a rubble scene without breathing or with indoctrinated eyes and Leviathan says "You were the chosen one!!!"

spotlessvoid wrote...

'Please...you have to choose synthesis'.

Flog...I can't stop laughing at this


If he really says that I'm going to get a drink just to spit it all over my keyboard :lol:

*edit* going to bed, good night/day to you all (why can't earth be flat? it would be much easier :unsure:)

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Hrothdane

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spotlessvoid wrote...

'Please...you have to choose synthesis'.

Flog...I can't stop laughing at this


That made me so happy as well.

I'm excited again.

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As unlikely as it is, I'm kinda hoping if Leviathan fights Harbinger at the beam, it turns out something like this
complete with Harbinger saying " Oh ****!"
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My prediction...

- Leviathan will want to Destroy the Reapers
- Leviathan will Control his own Reaper army
- Leviathan will work with indoctrinated scientists in a Thorian like Synthesis

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Look at everyone getting all hyped up!

So cute!

#14545
Earthborn_Shepard

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Alright, bed time it is

might take a look at Leviathan. Though I'm actually kind of finished with the game. I can see the ending in a slightly better light now. (That doesn't mean I like it now, it just means I don't have the urge to sh*t all over the game anymore.) So I'll probably just watch a walkthrough.

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dorktainian

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Maybe aquiring Leviathan means you will actually be able to win...?

Mass Effect 3 - You choices really do matter......as long as you give us loads of money for all these cut out of the game (cough....) extra content DLCs we are selling to you.

oh and look at all the golden joystick award nominations we just procured.

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I'm not really that hyped for Leviathan. Then again, I did just get Guild Wars 2, so I guess that's a reason for me not being particularly interested.

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Lokanaiya

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That twitter conversation is hilarious. XD

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The Twilight God

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Rifneno wrote...

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And there is seeminly human stuff all over the Citadel. What makes these textures so special?

Lazy is lazy. They reused textures.


The antenna is there for the same reason the first room looks like the Collector ship/base, the second like the Shadow Broker's ship, and the third like TIM's room. Yet they weren't reused models, they were completely new ones that looked similar to the old ones. So no, it wasn't lazyiness. Your attempt to blame it all on lazyiness, however, is very lazy.


Does look like the Collector base or the Shadow Broken base to me. Can no other structure in all existence have thin moving parts or tubes? Because the Shadow Broker ship's moving plates where both spatially, visually and functionally distince from the thin panels on the Citadel. And the Collector base was covered in a wax layers with a marble-like superstructure.

The reference to the Collector base is made because of all the bodies and tubes pumping human goo throughout. As it turned out the Collector base was just a substitute for the Citadel which functions as a reaper nursery. Anderson specifically brings up the fact that they are probably making a reaper because of this.

Wouldn't Ilos make more sense vs. using a DLC if the intent was to convey Shepard's memories.

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munnellyladt

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Lokanaiya wrote...

That twitter conversation is hilarious. XD


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