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[GethPrimeMKII]

jgibson14352 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...246834042392577

uuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh.......
im interested.

Well what have we here? This could be interesting.

Edit: Top page again. Im getting good at this.

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 28 août 2012 - 01:01 .

[munnellyladt]

jgibson14352 wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...246834042392577

uuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh.......
im interested.

What is that suppossed to mean?

im leaving it open to your interpretation.

SCREW INTERPRETATION!!!

TELL ME!!!!
Bioware has said that enough times and my foot is about to go through the wall!!

Modifié par munnellyladt, 28 août 2012 - 01:03 .

[jgibson14352]

munnellyladt wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...246834042392577

uuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh.......
im interested.

What is that suppossed to mean?

im leaving it open to your interpretation.

SCREW INTERPRETATION!!!

TELL ME!!!!

i may or may not possibly add information in a series of questions ill be answering for 10$ each

[BansheeOwnage]

Holy crap! That's weird as hell! Note the colouring...

[lex0r11]

It's the volus mafia! Holy chit!

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Holy crap! That's weird as hell! Note the colouring...

I like the little banner at the bottom that changes between different headline things.

The best one is 'Scandalous Asari Scandals!'

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Seems Bernard Plim has thickened the plot!

[byne]

On that site:

YOU MUST READ

"What the Dalatrass Knew" -- Post Mortem Edition: Reviewed by B. Plim

Is the Dalatrass dead?

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Holy crap! That's weird as hell! Note the colouring...

I like the little banner at the bottom that changes between different headline things.

The best one is 'Scandalous Asari Scandals!'

Ha! that's HILARIOUS!

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

On that site:

YOU MUST READ

"What the Dalatrass Knew" -- Post Mortem Edition: Reviewed by B. Plim

Is the Dalatrass dead?

We can always hope. Though I still want a DLC that involves killing her and Xen at the same time!  

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HILARIOUS!

Well done!

[ebuchala]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Holy crap! That's weird as hell! Note the colouring...

I like the little banner at the bottom that changes between different headline things.

The best one is 'Scandalous Asari Scandals!'

Ha! that's HILARIOUS!

I like the link titled "Best Salarian Bakeries" even though all the links lead to the trailer for the Leviathan DLC. That's pretty fun--I hope they actually do something more with it.

[BansheeOwnage]

ebuchala wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Holy crap! That's weird as hell! Note the colouring...

I like the little banner at the bottom that changes between different headline things.

The best one is 'Scandalous Asari Scandals!'

Ha! that's HILARIOUS!

I like the link titled "Best Salarian Bakeries" even though all the links lead to the trailer for the Leviathan DLC. That's pretty fun--I hope they actually do something more with it.

Salarian contrarians?

Conspiratorially: Elcor spook watch takes the cake pie I think.

[gpost]

I can't wait to meet this Plim fellow

[demersel]

conspiracyaccountabilityleague.blogspot.ca/ 

Now that's just naughty!  They tickle just the right spots! 

[demersel]

denyignorance.com . Nice ))))

[demersel]

Does this mean we'll get a Yellow ending? Or is it iimplies Refusal, as the way of a coward?

Modifié par demersel, 28 août 2012 - 02:17 .

[ebuchala]

Hmmm....

Udina and Cerberus. Could it be true? (Why, yes, we know it is.)
Discovered holo could be Keeper Tunnel Maps! (New section of the Citadel perhaps?)

Which reminds me--that one SB video showing Keeper 20 walking over a dead body along one of the catwalks is pretty bizarre. And no indication who the poor sap was that died.

[MaximizedAction]

demersel wrote...

conspiracyaccountabilityleague.blogspot.ca/ 

Now that's just naughty!  They tickle just the right spots! 

But first and foremost, they tickle me in the right spots.

Viral marketing. But not only that, this sub story...that there are small groups of people who question the Alliance -- or might even oppose them -- give the story a sort of BSG-y depth. I like that!

If they keep that going, then this might in fact restore quite a lot of faith in Bioware; at least, that's what it's doing to me right now.

[demersel]

I think this is a nod and pat on the back for all us ITers by Bioware. And a wink.

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

demersel wrote...

conspiracyaccountabilityleague.blogspot.ca/ 

Now that's just naughty!  They tickle just the right spots! 

But first and foremost, they tickle me in the right spots.

Viral marketing. But not only that, this sub story...that there are small groups of people who question the Alliance -- or might even oppose them -- give the story a sort of BSG-y depth. I like that!

If they keep that going, then this might in fact restore quite a lot of faith in Bioware; at least, that's what it's doing to me right now.

+1 to entire statement! Also, I'm making a video. It's kind of IT related. I'll post it later. Got to go.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 28 août 2012 - 02:20 .

[The Twilight God]

Hrothdane wrote...

Of course you don't hallucinate forever, nor does it have a standard duration. Generally, hallucinations have causes (such as ingesting hallucinogens) and end for a reason (the hallucinogen works its way out of the person's system). I wanted to discuss what you think induces the hallucination and the related question of what ends it.

What ends it? The seeming resolution of an internal conflict.

By hallucination, I simply mean that Anderson and TIM may not be present. But it is a real event in that the Reapers would really forcing these projections. It's not just Shepard losing his mind. Just as Starbinger is real and Harbinger's appearance at the end of Arrival is real, albeit hallucinatory in nature. It is hard to say if the figures (Anderson and TIM) are put their by the Reapers specifically or if the figures are a reaction to the Reapers. (i.e. TIM is the indoctrinated part of Shepard's mind and Anderson the part that is still free.)

Hrothdane wrote...

I've studied symbolic logic, and that is not deduction. Deduction does not allow for inferences because it requires absolute certainty.

Please, throw another "deductive" proof my way. I might even dig up my old symbolic logic textbook so I can write it out in proper format.

Gladly. I've replied in the appropriate thread.

Hrothdane wrote...

Indoctrination is known and has been shown by in-game to cause hallucinations and nightmares.
Indoctrination is a signal sent out by Reapers at all times and can be intensified to cause rapid indoctrination.
Reaper tech and minions act as signal boosters.
Shepard has been around lots of Reaper technology and Reapers themselves, and even spent two days unconscious in a facility full of people that had been indoctrinated by the technology there after being zapped by said technology.
Shepard suffers from nightmares consistent thematically with those of the Project members.

That is enough evidence right there to make me begin to question Shepard's state of mind and open up the presence of hallucinations, minor or otherwise. I can find the quotes from the Project members audio journals if you wish, and even have screenshots of the subtitles.

Yes, we both agree that throughout the game, and especially at the end, an attempt at indoctrination is occurring. The problem is I don't see how you go from he's in the process of being indoctrinated to he is dreaming. Hallucination IT I understand. Dream IT, Shepard literally beating indoctrination in his sleep, I do not get. I see no solid evidence to lead me to believe he is dreaming.

Hrothdane wrote...

Sorry, I should have been more specific in the question. Why do we suddenly go to the slides of stuff happening in the future THEN go back to the breath scene in destroy? Why have a montage of things happening over the course of weeks, months, or years then suddenly jump backwards to when the montage started? An example: I was reading a script and a woman smiles as she sits next a man on a plane. We then see a montage of them dating, getting married, and having kids. We then suddenly go back to the plane and continue, revealing it was just a dream. That was just the first example that came to mind, but I've seen the technique used before.

They don't happen in the future. The endings are in the present. No time travel takes place. The EC slides are intended to placate angry fans by showing them pretty pictures. Ignore the slides and just listen to what the narrator actually says. The narrator does not describe what is on screen. The narrator cannot know if any of that stuff would happen as the narrator is speaking from the perspective a person in the present. It is merely an individual talking about their hopes for the future in a general manner. No direct mention of krogan babies, geth-quarian peace, Jack becoming the headmaster of Grissom, Miranda becoming president of Earth, or anything else of that sort. You, like many others, are assuming everything in the slides is an actual depiction of the future. I'm saying it is not.

Hrothdane wrote...

And I just showed that you have a weak understanding of what deduction actually means. Frankly, I'm rather ashamed of the people that have reacted so irrationally.

You made some points. Rather I agree with them (i.e. you showed me) is another story.

Thanks you, by the way. It was the only intelligent thing anyone has posted in opposition to my thesis. Maybe some of the idiots I deal with can piggy back off of it and come up with real arguments instead of pouting.

Hrothdane wrote...

If you are taking the position that the story the author intended to write is irrelevant to the story they actually did write, then we have a note of agreement. Ray Bradbury once visited a university class about his work that was talking about Fahrenheit 451 and the students out-argued him about the main theme of the book. They said it was about censorship, and he said it was about how TV was evil. Having read the book, I'm inclined to agree with the students.

If an author cannot convey their intent they are failed writers. I don't see the point in worrying about a failed perspective, especially if what they wrote makes sense the way they wrote it - minus their intent, of course. What's more important: That I intent to sculpt a 40 year old obese man or that I actually sculpted a ugly obese women?

Hrothdane wrote...

That said, my point is that evidence is often laid out in a way to purposefully confuse or distract the audience, ESPECIALLY when you have already established surreal elements like the dreams Shepard has, the fact that we have a known mechanism to cause hallucinations that we have seen affecting other people, and that our protagonist has spent at least as much time around Reapers and their technology as the people suffering those hallucinations. The Project member audio journals in Arrival (written by the same person as the ending of ME3) specifically mention nightmares of watching people they care about dying, and we know what happened to them.

 
By no means would I say it cannot be a dream. If they announced that ME4 would pick up where the breath scene leaves and let's say the actual Crucible turned into a Matrix Architect scenario I wouldn't be mad at all. Shepard becomes The One and he's given even worst choices and refuse is the only way to go. Then the war rages on. To some degree it would be good that there isn't any concrete evidence. If you're dreaming, can you fathom that you are dreaming? If the intent to for the player to experience what Shepard experiences they cannot leave any hard evidence.
 
Still, the possibility will not convince me of a reality; Only ME4.

Hrothdane wrote...
 
As for the "I've figured it out," we already know that we don't have all the information about the Reapers and Starbinger since we are getting additional dialogue with him in Leviathan. Saying "I've figured it out" at this point is presumptious because it assumes that BioWare has been "playing fair" with the information. Before you mention that some people here may claim to have "figured it out" as well, I think they are being equally presumptious. Under these circumstances, the most either of us can say is that our theory is the best supported.

 
Leviathan may legitimize Starbinger as being distinct from the Reapers, but from what I've seen it doesn't affect the endings in a way that changes how it plays out. Not in terms of rather or not indoctrination takes place. I won't spoil it for anyone. But I will say I don't think people should get too excited over paid DLC making the core story better. And expansion on a physical disk or digital download advertised in the usual manner (TV commercials, internet ads, etc.) maybe. But not these 2GB DLC. But Javik was worth it so it is good in regard to backstory and lore.



 

[Kurrabin]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

F--- ENGLISH AND IT"S LACK OF NEUTRAL GENDER THIRD PERSON SINGULAR.

Since everyone uses "they" and it's cognates as neuter third person singular anyways, I've been trying to support that anyways because he/she is stupid and should be saved for special cases like when discussing Shepard in the general. Of course, then we will have the same problem as second person in English....

F--- ENGLISH AND IT"S LACK OF PLURAL SECOND PERSON.

Either way, I did not know spotless was a she, and I feel like an idiot.

SO THANKS.

:happy:

Seconded. French doesn't have a gender-neutral third person sigular either, but it does have "vous" as a second person plural. Unfortunately, "vous" is also used as second person singular when being respectful.

*Facepalm*

Actually for a long while "he" did not specify gender, and was the neutral third person singular:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He 

Wikipedia mentions it had been discouradged after 1960s, so this is a very recent development (considering the length of the language's life).

[The Twilight God]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

So is IT-con the same thing as the WNT?

What is WNT?

[Hrothdane]

The Twilight God wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

So is IT-con the same thing as the WNT?

What is WNT?

Waking Nightmare Theory. It is TJ's theory on the ending.