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[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

i think you can still have the mass effect universe even if what happened with Shepard was a hallucination check it out

control and synthesis?

Is something the IT explains that Shepard becomes indoctrinated you can end Shepard's story with IT as Shepard would be something the reapers would use to control and lure people into believing in the reapers ways since Shepard is something the people would believe this is where they can continue mass effect with someone else since they did state "this is the End of Shepard's story" this someone else has to continue and win the fight with the reapers that Shepard failed to do sadly with Shepard as an enemy instead of an ally

Destroy ending where Shepard lives?

can also be continued without Shepard he/she lives but is to messed up to do anything this time machines and intelligence can help him or her or if they do Shepard can't think straight anymore and is suffering from PTSD and now they need a new person to stop the reapers and blah blah blah

refusal ending?

this was hard since the refusal ending should be like the destroy ending but in destroy you destroyed the reapers you didn't refused them in destroyed Shepard took them away from his/her mind Shepard killed them in his/her mind in refusal ending Shepard did not do so instead Shepard said "F you" with the reapers still inside of him or her so they killed him or her for refusing this is how you can start a new person to take out the reapers with the help of liara's video

why does the reapers give you a choice to accept or destroy them?

because that's what most projects are to see if you are a liability or something they could use.

What about low EMS with or without the collectors ships

1) why would you go through this game without exploring the whole game 2) Shepard dies because Shepard wasn't strong enough to kill the reapers inside his mind and survive

why the collectors ship is only control?

Well same with the other control "Shepard would be something the reapers would use to control and lure people into believing in the reapers ways " and since you save their weapon its easier to make you think control is the only way to stop the reapers.

What happened with synthesis?

They didn't see you as worthy to have the choice one example is when the star kid tells you "why are you here" in a "i want to hurt you" voice. why is his voice like this? because the reapers are upset that Shepard could't get enough people to trust in him or her which hurts the reapers idea to have people follow their ways

why is only destroy there for low EMS?

because the reapers see you as a liability they don't trust you anymore they see that you can not help in their "solution" so they make you destroy yourself

why give you the refusal ending?

because "that's what most projects are to see if you are a liability or something they could use" would you want god like power or self made power

I think the question is "was bioware great enough to write something like the IT" is what makes people go to war with each other after all they were the ones to be like "head cannon" the last part which is awesome but for a trilogy i want to see my ending not imagine it

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

So many in game examples of synthesis not being a good idea yet people still chose it...

No soul! Replaced! By tech!

Putting a VI in a lifeless body doesn't make it alive. Are reaper husks alive?

Theres really only one quote you need to know synthesis is a bad idea. Its when the godchild straight up tells you synthesis cannot be forced.

I mean, come on, even godchild admits synthesis is bull****. Why would you still choose it?

Plus, godchild says that now that he knows synthesis is possible, it is inevitable that it will happen. If thats the case, why pick it at all? Let it happen naturally and pick one of the other options.

"Synthetics will always destroy organics. It is inevitable."
"Now that we know it is possible, it is inevitable that we will reach synthesis."


So, eternal peace and eternal war are both inevitable? Okay.

[TJBartlemus]

I fixed it finally. I FIXED THE PIC. BWHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[TJBartlemus]

It's fixed now...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Proof Synthesis is not a good idea...yet people still choose it. 

Edit: Curses copy and paste...try again I say!!!

http://t3.gstatic.co..._kInZgbkd-JTtSA

http://t2.gstatic.co...Wl7j9V1dHCECRSm

[TSA_383]

HagarIshay wrote...

So... You say that the whole "renegade" "paragon" thing is a trick, right? That control is actually renegade, and destroy is paragon. And control is indcotrination.

So what you're basically saying is, that people who played a renegade played wrong?

Really, shouldn't the whole "paragon "renegade" be thrown out of the window now that we have synthesis, a "neutral" choice?

Which of these characters is set up as the "paragon" throughout the game:

-Anderson
-The Illusive Man

YES the renegade/paragon thing in the choice is a trick 

[BansheeOwnage]

HagarIshay wrote...

So... You say that the whole "renegade" "paragon" thing is a trick, right? That control is actually renegade, and destroy is paragon. And control is indcotrination.

So what you're basically saying is, that people who played a renegade played wrong?

Really, shouldn't the whole "paragon "renegade" be thrown out of the window now that we have synthesis, a "natural" choice?

Well, I don't personally care much for the paragon/renegade reversal, because it implies that renegade is "bad." Paragon and renegade are different means to the same end. The end choices, by definition, are not the same end. Though I like the synthesis being the neutral option though. Being indecisive (picking the neutral option) costs many lives in ME.

[byne]

TSA_383 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

So... You say that the whole "renegade" "paragon" thing is a trick, right? That control is actually renegade, and destroy is paragon. And control is indcotrination.

So what you're basically saying is, that people who played a renegade played wrong?

Really, shouldn't the whole "paragon "renegade" be thrown out of the window now that we have synthesis, a "neutral" choice?

Which of these characters is set up as the "paragon" throughout the game:

-Anderson
-The Illusive Man

YES the renegade/paragon thing in the choice is a trick 

Everyone knows that indoctrinating your own people and turning refugees into husks is the paragon thing to do!

[RavenEyry]

byne wrote...

Everyone knows that indoctrinating your own people and turning refugees into husks is the paragon thing to do!

Well paragons can be like paladins sometimes, with all the lawful stupid that entails.
"If everyone's husks they'll stop breaking the law!"

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

So... You say that the whole "renegade" "paragon" thing is a trick, right? That control is actually renegade, and destroy is paragon. And control is indcotrination.

So what you're basically saying is, that people who played a renegade played wrong?

Really, shouldn't the whole "paragon "renegade" be thrown out of the window now that we have synthesis, a "natural" choice?

Well, I don't personally care much for the paragon/renegade reversal, because it implies that renegade is "bad." Paragon and renegade are different means to the same end. The end choices, by definition, are not the same end. Though I like the synthesis being the neutral option though. Being indecisive (picking the neutral option) costs many lives in ME.

You could make an argument for ME1 and ME2, but in ME3, renegade pretty much is bad.

[TJBartlemus]

byne wrote...

Everyone knows that indoctrinating your own people and turning refugees into husks is the paragon thing to do!

I also like how betraying friends are in the paragon interrupt too...oh wait...nevermind.

[MaximizedAction]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Proof Synthesis is not a good idea...yet people still choose it. 

Edit: Curses copy and paste...try again I say!!!

http://t3.gstatic.co..._kInZgbkd-JTtSA

http://t2.gstatic.co...Wl7j9V1dHCECRSm

It's all about how it's presented.

If Mr. Sparkles is the representative of the Reapers, then what he says is more likely to be accepted than if it's a giant cuttlefish.
If the ending shows the people like people only with a funny green glow it's less threatening than in the above pic.
If someone writes a long a** text about how the player might've been indoctrinated he gets more accepted than something with the word 'theory' in it that they got used to troll out of ignorance.

There's a reason Bioware portraied Synthesis the way they did. Also, they outright said why the leader of the Reapers presents itself in the form of a child...so here you go.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 01 août 2012 - 07:46 .

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

So... You say that the whole "renegade" "paragon" thing is a trick, right? That control is actually renegade, and destroy is paragon. And control is indcotrination.

So what you're basically saying is, that people who played a renegade played wrong?

Really, shouldn't the whole "paragon "renegade" be thrown out of the window now that we have synthesis, a "natural" choice?

Well, I don't personally care much for the paragon/renegade reversal, because it implies that renegade is "bad." Paragon and renegade are different means to the same end. The end choices, by definition, are not the same end. Though I like the synthesis being the neutral option though. Being indecisive (picking the neutral option) costs many lives in ME.

You could make an argument for ME1 and ME2, but in ME3, renegade pretty much is bad.

True. I posted a while ago how that may in part be because of indoctrination.

[I_eat_unicorns]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

So... You say that the whole "renegade" "paragon" thing is a trick, right? That control is actually renegade, and destroy is paragon. And control is indcotrination.

So what you're basically saying is, that people who played a renegade played wrong?

Really, shouldn't the whole "paragon "renegade" be thrown out of the window now that we have synthesis, a "natural" choice?

Well, I don't personally care much for the paragon/renegade reversal, because it implies that renegade is "bad." Paragon and renegade are different means to the same end. The end choices, by definition, are not the same end. Though I like the synthesis being the neutral option though. Being indecisive (picking the neutral option) costs many lives in ME.

You could make an argument for ME1 and ME2, but in ME3, renegade pretty much is bad.

Me1 renegade: mean jerk

Me2 renegade: bad cop

Me3 renegade: friend-killing, genocide causing, self-concerned jerk

[MegumiAzusa]

What is interesting in ME is it seems somewhat inconsistent. The control choice of ME2, rewriting the heretics, is marked as the good choice, not only by Paragon points but also by file names.
But still as some of your squadmates will ask or tell you: is it really that a difference if you rewrite code of sapient life or brainwash them?

[Rifneno]

Dwailing wrote...

Hey, Rifneno, not cool making fun of my love for Jessica back on page 48.  I thought we were friends!

I thought it was Lex0r?  Besides, friends make sure friends are thinking with the right head. :innocent:

[I_eat_unicorns]

 Seeing how this thread made three times, I have to ask: would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

It's all about how it's presented.

If Mr. Sparkles is the representative of the Reapers, then what he says is more likely to be accepted than if it's a giant cuttlefish.
If the ending shows the people like people only with a funny green glow it's less threatening than in the above pic.
If someone writes a long a** text about how the player might've been indoctrinated he gets more accepted than something with the word 'theory' in it that they got used to troll out of ignorance.

There's a reason Bioware portraied Synthesis the way they did. Also, they outright said why the leader of the Reapers presents itself in the form of a child...so here you go.

They did say if he looked like Harbinger no one would listen to him. I would listen to Harbinger before I listened to Mr. Sparkle... Seriously.
ಠಠಠ_ಠಠಠ

[RavenEyry]

Note in 3 renegade is portrayed as more decisive as well as a few evil moves. Like how not taking the interupt at the end gets you killed.

[MegumiAzusa]

[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...

[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...

You could make an argument for ME1 and ME2, but in ME3, renegade pretty much is bad.

[/quote]
True. I posted a while ago how that may in part be because of indoctrination.[/quote]
Sorry but I did a ME2 Renegade run but aside from a few funny choices most things were just disgusting.
There were more times in ME3 where I did choose Renegade than ME2. There were some pretty extreme stuff, sure, but that was the exception.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 01 août 2012 - 07:51 .

[Applepie_Svk]

byne wrote...


Everyone knows that indoctrinating your own people and turning refugees into husks is the paragon thing to do!

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

What is interesting in ME is it seems somewhat inconsistent. The control choice of ME2, rewriting the heretics, is marked as the good choice, not only by Paragon points but also by file names.
But still as some of your squadmates will ask or tell you: is it really that a difference if you rewrite code of sapient life or brainwash them?

I never really saw rewriting the heretics as being similar to control.

Sovereign changed the way the heretics thought. He basically indoctrinated them.

You're not brainwashing them, you're un-brainwashing them.

[BansheeOwnage]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 Seeing how this thread made three times, I have to ask: would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

Yes. EC wasn't planned.

[RavenEyry]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 Seeing how this thread made three times, I have to ask: would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

I would, if I thought there was money and fame in it.

[I_eat_unicorns]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 Seeing how this thread made three times, I have to ask: would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

Yes. EC wasn't planned.

exactly

[TSA_383]

RavenEyry wrote...

Note in 3 renegade is portrayed as more decisive as well as a few evil moves. Like how not taking the interupt at the end gets you killed.

Nooo... the ending would never have a situation where taking the "renegade" choice is the only way to survi.... wait....