demersel wrote...
It supports the IT in the sense that now EVERYTHING that happens in the endings comes from shepards mind - Reapers use indoctrination to manipulate Shepard's own memories and knowledge and form a situation belivable for him, in which he may make a choice to accept their logic. Also it suggests that the reapers themselves at their core might have this logic - but it is still flawed and broken logic - this might hint at the fact that reapers themselves are just the faulty piece of equipment. (Like RobotSanta from the futurama) - They are not sentient, they only have some basic algorithms that guide them, and those algorithms are false and broken, with a lack of option to evolve - Reapers are the pinnacle - they are perfect no point into listening ot reason, or to analyse new facts. They just do what they were build to do, and do this eternally without stopping questionning or thinking. This proves that there are simply no point in listening to them, arguing with them, or trying to reason with them. They say themselves - they are not at war. Fire cannot be at war with the forest.
You still assume the Catalyst = the reapers, even though we now know this is not completely true. The Catalyst is an AI created by the Leviathans. The Catalyst on its turn transformed the Leviathans into the first reaper: Harbinger.
The Catalyst was programmed to preserve organic life, because the Leviathans rely on organics. They need organics.
The problem here is synthetics. They keep destroying all organics. But the real problem is organics themselves: they always create synthetics.
So the Catalyst is ordered to preserve organic life, but the organics always eventually destroys themselves by creating synthetics that seemingly always rebel against them. So how do you solve this?
The Catalyst had no permanent solution to this issue. The best thing it could come up with is the cycle. So the cycle started and the Leviathans became the first victims of it's cycle.
However, this implies that the Catalyst KNOWS that it's cycle is not perfect, it's not the perfect solution because it doesn't really solve anything. The only thing the cycle does is hit the reset button after every 50.000 years to prevent organics from destroying themselves by creating synthetics.
This is why the Catalyst is so eager to find a new solution. The Catalyst itself does not favor the cycle, not at all. The Crucible provides new solutions. The Catalyst however can't choose a new solution itself, for whatever reason, maybe because it's shackled, who knows. So it asks Shepard to choose a new solution.
So yes, the Catalyst
is real, it
does exist, it
isn't evil and it
does want a new solution. We all know this now.
Now what we have played Leviathan, the literal endings make a lot more sense. More so than the IT.
There is no point in controlling them - the know and able to do one thing only - there is no control over them - you can't control fire by becoming fire.
This is not true. The Catalyst controls the reapers. We also see evidence that the Leviathans themselves can control reapers and their forces.
The Leviathan DLC proves the reapers CAN in fact be controlled. It IS possible.
THere is no point in synthesys - cause this is what they are trying to do in the first place and it's their original goal - if you combine fire and forest you get only coal and ashes(which has it's uses, but not for the forest),
Synthesis is nothing like what the reapers are now.
Yes, the Catalyst prefers synthesis, he's not hiding that at all. But so far synthetis was impossible. Only now with the Crucible is it possible. The Catalyst thinks synthesis is the best solution to the problem he's programmed to solve.
There is no point in making a moral stand and giving them a speach - you'll just get burned.
Indeed. Giving a moral speech to a friggin machine that is just doing what it's programmed to do is stupid. Besides, this machine WANTS to find a new solution with you. It WANTS to replace the cycle with a new better solution. Only a moron wouldn't seize this oppertunity.
You can only get rid of them forever - destroy.
No, destroy is actually the worst option. We know now that the whole organics v.s synthetics problem is very real. Leviathan confirms this. So destroying the reapers is only a valid option if you believe you can make peace with synthetics in the future. Maybe you made peace with the geth, but can you do it again in the future?
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