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[CoolioThane]

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

If you're pissed off, how about you just calm down for a while instead of getting all fired up?

Because that's not me

What kinda crap is that? Being a rational human being is not what you are?

I guess not! I don't change who I am for people. 

[Jaze55]

demersel wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...
Once again, read the first post. I asked if the Catalyst is proven to be real and everything DID IN FACT HAPPEN that we saw, how is IT still feasible? Still havent gotten a remark.

BUT yeah, let's BOTH finish Levi (btw so far its pretty awesome) then let's see what happens. Who the hell knows maybe I will change my mind about IT. I doubt it but I have an open mind. IN MY OPINION that's something some of you are severely lacking. 

As far as the catalyst question goes - the spoilers that start float all over the BSN suggest that the Leviathan tells you about some sort of AI that was created to solve organic vs synthetic problem, and that this AI created the reapers. 

How ever, even if that is true, and if we take everything that leviathan tells you as the truth, which is doubtfull.  - there is ZERO evidence that the thing we meet at the end of ME3, that looks like a child from our dreams and calles itself a catalyst is IN FACT the very same AI the leviathan was telling you about.  That's as far as i can go without actually playing the DLC myself. 

Don't answer this yet because then I will have to come back to reply and I really want to finish Levi.

Why do you think everyone is lying in the game? Just curious. Starkid and now Levi. 

OK so since I did not play Levi yet I didn't make a conclusive end all remark in my first post, I asked what you guys thought it meant for IT since, apparantly, everything at the end is real and backed by Levi.

Let's both finish Levi then come back here because, in case you haven't noticed, I do like and do want to discuss the game. Obviously everyone here is interested in it and I do like hearing varying views on things. That's how we learn and grow. 

[RavenEyry]

FellishBeast wrote...

I am disappoint with you guys.

I concur, a couple of pages once again dedicated to what is and isn't a troll. If you don't like what someone's saying, just ignore them.

[demersel]

 We're sorry 

[estebanus]

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

If you're pissed off, how about you just calm down for a while instead of getting all fired up?

Because that's not me

What kinda crap is that? Being a rational human being is not what you are?

I guess not! I don't change who I am for people. 

If being an ass to almost everyone you disagree with is what you are, then I think a little change would do some good.

Please, just try being nicer. I simply want you to not constantly spout hate and vitriol.

[estebanus]

RavenEyry wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I am disappoint with you guys.

I concur, a couple of pages once again dedicated to what is and isn't a troll. If you don't like what someone's saying, just ignore them.

+1

I simply can't stand this.
If I'd want to see people yelling at each other every few minutes, then I'd volunteer to go back to Afghanistan.

[CoolioThane]

Lemme level with everyone. I don't care if IT is real or not. Of course I'd prefer it, but my love of the universe means I actually really like the endings as they stand, despite the glaring retardedness, because I like the game. IT makes way more sense and is awesome, but it does not kill the game series if it isn't true.

I like arguing with people which is why I post aggressive stuff. Banter, but a very fine line between that and antagonistic behaviour. For that, I apologise, but those who are here to bash the IT and all of the people who believe in IT (I obviously do believe in IT) I suggest you politely get lost.

Discussing the IT is obviously encouraged, even if you don't agree. I must apologise to Hanar, for recently I have not read his posts, just seen the avatar and told him to ****** off. That is not acceptable. Mass Effected, you are obviously allowed to post, but the tone of your previous posts were interpreted as antagonistic by me and a few others.

I apologise for telling you to throw yourself off a dirt mound, it certainly can hurt falling 4cm. I apologise to Raven for coming across as aggressive.

I hope you appreciate this post. I truly mean it.

[Smeffects]

Just finished levi. All the DLC gives you is the certainty that the star kid is real and was indeed given its directive. It studied a long time before coming to its conclusion. They made him to protect other organics, because they believed themselves outside of such problem as synthetic vs organic. They only saw the star kid as a tool to help lesser spieces. Then without warning the star kid came to its conclusion and harvested them into harbinger.

He also mention not knowing anything about what exactly the crucible can do. Only that before your cycle no one ever completed it. Meaning that no one before got to meet the star kid, another thing star kid doesent lie about.

So if you believe what levi tells you (why wouldnt you he let you go, save your life, kill a reaper, agree to help in the war?) Star kid is real and tells you the truth.

What does the DLC do for IT: Nothing really.

What does it do against IT: Well it removes the idea that star kid is not real or is a device for reapers intent. Adding the fact that if Star kid was not real and the indoctrination theory was correct. A full DLC revolving around the origin of an imaginary dream character is rather odd and useless. Since this DLC is to be played before the ending. The assumption of the ending not being real can easily fly without this DLC because outside of Shepard no one know this AI star kid. However now we know a full race of allies (well not direct allies) aknowledging his existance before we meet him. So if you were to play the game with this DLC youd know the possibility of meeting the creator of the reaper at the ending: STAR KID.

The whole DLC screams, look star kid was telling you the truth. Even an outside allie tell you so now? You can keep believing in IT, but at this point its getting a stretch because they just keep adding more and more to the reality of this dream with every DLC. If it was still true or ever true, such a waste of DLC time wouldnt be productive?

Modifié par Smeffects, 28 août 2012 - 06:52 .

[CoolioThane]

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

If you're pissed off, how about you just calm down for a while instead of getting all fired up?

Because that's not me

What kinda crap is that? Being a rational human being is not what you are?

I guess not! I don't change who I am for people. 

If being an ass to almost everyone you disagree with is what you are, then I think a little change would do some good.

Please, just try being nicer. I simply want you to not constantly spout hate and vitriol.

It is not hate, nor vitriol. Where I live, antagonistic behaviour is consistent with banter. I understand it varies over the world, but for me, arguing and insults are a form of endearment.

[estebanus]

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

If you're pissed off, how about you just calm down for a while instead of getting all fired up?

Because that's not me

What kinda crap is that? Being a rational human being is not what you are?

I guess not! I don't change who I am for people. 

If being an ass to almost everyone you disagree with is what you are, then I think a little change would do some good.

Please, just try being nicer. I simply want you to not constantly spout hate and vitriol.

It is not hate, nor vitriol. Where I live, antagonistic behaviour is consistent with banter. I understand it varies over the world, but for me, arguing and insults are a form of endearment.

Where the hell do you live!? Berlin-Neuköln!?

Just because people like acting like raving lunatics where you live, doesn't mean you have to spread your negativity to to other people. You think you have a right to force your own bahaviour on others? There's a certain thing called "public decency", you know.

[RavenEyry]

Smeffects wrote...
Well it removes the idea that star kid is not real or is a device for reapers intent.

Once again, just because an AI really does exist doesn't mean you really met it.

We knew Anderson for example really existed outside the dream, now we know an AI of some sort exists outside the dream.

[Smeffects]

RavenEyry wrote...

Smeffects wrote...
Well it removes the idea that star kid is not real or is a device for reapers intent.

Once again, just because an AI really does exist doesn't mean you really met it.

We knew Anderson for example really existed outside the dream, now we know an AI of some sort exists outside the dream.

You didnt know the AI existed outside of the dream, before that DLC. Thats a huge story telling difference. The fact that Leviathan tells you word by word the story of the catalyst, exactly how the catalyst described to us, makes its pretty obivious that he is not really lying at that point.

Leviathan tells you the exact purpose of star kid and the reaper, the exact intent the star kid gives you. What exactly would be the point of shepard to wake up and finish the fight if eventually the ending will be exactly simular outcome because reaper creation are indeed because of synthetic vs organic conflict. Beside a neat boss battle with harbinger nothing else comes to mind. It will still end with: well you gotta find way to live with some space magic protection against synthetics.

Modifié par Smeffects, 28 août 2012 - 07:01 .

[jgibson14352]

sure its real, but it renders sovereigns totally awesome speech on virmire totally worthless


the f*cking EC added more for IT

Modifié par jgibson14352, 28 août 2012 - 06:59 .

[The Heretic of Time]

CoolioThane wrote...

Hanar, you came in saying "So, looks like IT is false" which is always going to kick something off.

It does look like the Leviathan DLC puts another nail in the IT coffin. I also explained why. If you think that's trolling, than you have a problem. In that case the problem lies with you, not me.

[CoolioThane]

estebanus wrote...

Where the hell do you live!? Berlin-Neuköln!?

Just because people like acting like raving lunatics where you live, doesn't mean you have to spread your negativity to to other people. You think you have a right to force your own bahaviour on others? There's a certain thing called "public decency", you know.

I'm sorry? I've even posted an apology to everyone, but it seems you're intent on ignoring that one! Well, there's freedom of speech too, and public decency? Really? The is BSN for God's sake.

It's not raving lunacy to be different to you.

[RavenEyry]

Smeffects wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Smeffects wrote...
Well it removes the idea that star kid is not real or is a device for reapers intent.

Once again, just because an AI really does exist doesn't mean you really met it.

We knew Anderson for example really existed outside the dream, now we know an AI of some sort exists outside the dream.

You didnt know the AI existed outside of the dream, before that DLC. Thats a huge story telling difference.

But we were informed of the possibility of something that controls the reapers. We just have more detail now.

[jgibson14352]

i just cant believe they wanted to reinforce the most hated plot device in the game, and in the process rendering sovereigns speech on virmire into worthless pillow talk

[Smeffects]

RavenEyry wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Smeffects wrote...
Well it removes the idea that star kid is not real or is a device for reapers intent.

Once again, just because an AI really does exist doesn't mean you really met it.

We knew Anderson for example really existed outside the dream, now we know an AI of some sort exists outside the dream.

You didnt know the AI existed outside of the dream, before that DLC. Thats a huge story telling difference.

But we were informed of the possibility of something that controls the reapers. We just have more detail now.

And those details are exactly what the star kids give you. What exactly is the point to move the story foward after that. You found the secrets of the universe. The reaper creator illusion if IT, told you the truth all along. Leviathan told you the truth. What exactly would be the prupose of IT. If there is nothing different in the story line after you wake up. What exactly will we do, go somewhere else and meet with the real star kid AI and have the same exact dicussion, because the real IA plan is exactly what the fake AI from IT is? Conventional victory, but we gotta watch out for synthetics after we win using space magics most likely?

Modifié par Smeffects, 28 août 2012 - 07:06 .

[MaximizedAction]

jgibson14352 wrote...

sure its real, but it renders sovereigns totally awesome speech on virmire totally worthless


the f*cking EC added more for IT

Well, there's the explicit mentioning of headaches, and that part about Shepard's victories not being the result of mere chance. The latter I sure hope does NOT mean a stupid "The Chosen One" bullsh*t reveal being inbound, but rather something hinting that Shepard's actions are sorta being 'controlled' by someone or something from the outside.

[RavenEyry]

Smeffects wrote...

And those details are exactly what the star kids give you. What exactly is the point to move the story foward after that.

What is the point of repeating it in the literl ending as well?

[CoolioThane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Hanar, you came in saying "So, looks like IT is false" which is always going to kick something off.

It does look like the Leviathan DLC puts another nail in the IT coffin. I also explained why. If you think that's trolling, than you have a problem. In that case the problem lies with you, not me.

No, I was just saying "if you don't agree with IT it's best stay away" I have apologised Hanar. 

It's phrases like "another nail in the IT coffin" which irk me because you speak them as if fact. I appreciate that's probably my bias in interpreting the posts.

[Andromidius]

Smeffects wrote...

The whole DLC screams, look star kid was telling you the truth.

Confirmation bias is a great thing, isn't it?

Feel free to ignore everything else put on the table.  Feel free to ignore the themes, the motives, the characters, the plot, previous canon, logic, the fact indoctrination is the #1 weapon of the Reapers...

Yeah.  I don't care if the Starchild is 'real' - its still a lying hypocrit that using emotional manipulation to get you to do its bidding.  Shepard still isn't behaving correctly, and is still blindly believing whatever it being said.  TIM and Anderson are both still acting very strangely, and the Reapers are still completely incompetant.

And yeah, smug comments =/= correctness.  'Another nail in the coffin' is a stupid thing to say when you're still trying to debunk the bare basics of IT and failing at every turn.  Being told there's a Reaper controller is the ONLY thing you have.  Cling to it nice and hard.

Modifié par Andromidius, 28 août 2012 - 07:10 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

Hi there. Haven't played Leviathan yet (Can't get it til this Friday), but I'd like to point out something that might have been overlooked during the latest troll storm:

If there is really a grand reaper AI out there and Shepard really gets to meet it, it still makes absolutely zero sense for the AI to take the form of the child Shepard meets in Vancouver.

Thoughts?

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 28 août 2012 - 07:11 .

[RavenEyry]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Hi there. Haven't played Leviathan yet (Can't get it til this Friday), but I'd like to point out something that might have been overlooked during the latest troll storm:

If there is really a grand reaper AI out there and Shepard really gets to meet it, it still makes absolutely zero sense for the AI to take the form of the child Shepard meets in Vancouver.

Thoughts?

Whether you really meet it or not, Mr. Sparkle is definately not to be trusted.