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[Smeffects]

RavenEyry wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

And those details are exactly what the star kids give you. What exactly is the point to move the story foward after that.

What is the point of repeating it in the literl ending as well?

Ok lets see where the story would go after that DLC and the ending under IT.

-Levi tells you exactly star kids intent, his reasons, his existence.

-You meet a fake star kid in indoctrination, this kid tells you exactly what levi tells you, his intent, his reasons, his existence, adding his solutions, which levi cant know as levi explained to you no warning given.

-You wake up from this big waste of time because it was not real, but everything they bothered telling you was real.

-You known since meeting Levi that it only ends when the AI is stopped from carrying out his purpose.

-You go find the real star kid.

-You find him, he tells you exactly what Levi told you again, gives you the explanation for his solution since levi couldnt know it.

-Now what? Different space magic?

People moved to IT because the ending of that synthetic vs organic garbage was not mass effect like. The star kid came out of someone butt, no one knew anything about. Space magic was bad. Even if you wake up from indoctrination after this DLC: Its still about synthetic vs organic, theres still gona be a star kid AI and space magic still happens. The End.

[jgibson14352]

MaximizedAction wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

sure its real, but it renders sovereigns totally awesome speech on virmire totally worthless


the f*cking EC added more for IT

Well, there's the explicit mentioning of headaches, and that part about Shepard's victories not being the result of mere chance. The latter I sure hope does NOT mean a stupid "The Chosen One" bullsh*t reveal being inbound, but rather something hinting that Shepard's actions are sorta being 'controlled' by someone or something from the outside.

i hope thats not it either, but lets be honest, thats probably what they meant.

out of my deep respect for ME, im going to pretend that that DLC never happened, and that the game just ends right as the APC crashes in london.

[GethPrimeMKII]

RavenEyry wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Hi there. Haven't played Leviathan yet (Can't get it til this Friday), but I'd like to point out something that might have been overlooked during the latest troll storm:

If there is really a grand reaper AI out there and Shepard really gets to meet it, it still makes absolutely zero sense for the AI to take the form of the child Shepard meets in Vancouver.

Thoughts?

Whether you really meet it or not, Mr. Sparkle is definately not to be trusted.

His logic is about as sound as a me defending someone from gun fire .... by shooting them.

[GethPrimeMKII]

jgibson14352 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

sure its real, but it renders sovereigns totally awesome speech on virmire totally worthless


the f*cking EC added more for IT

Well, there's the explicit mentioning of headaches, and that part about Shepard's victories not being the result of mere chance. The latter I sure hope does NOT mean a stupid "The Chosen One" bullsh*t reveal being inbound, but rather something hinting that Shepard's actions are sorta being 'controlled' by someone or something from the outside.

i hope thats not it either, but lets be honest, thats probably what they meant.

out of my deep respect for ME, im going to pretend that that DLC never happened, and that the game just ends right as the APC crashes in london.

Consider this: What if Leviathan means to say Shepard succeeds only because the Reapers allow it? 

[MaximizedAction]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

sure its real, but it renders sovereigns totally awesome speech on virmire totally worthless


the f*cking EC added more for IT

Well, there's the explicit mentioning of headaches, and that part about Shepard's victories not being the result of mere chance. The latter I sure hope does NOT mean a stupid "The Chosen One" bullsh*t reveal being inbound, but rather something hinting that Shepard's actions are sorta being 'controlled' by someone or something from the outside.

i hope thats not it either, but lets be honest, thats probably what they meant.

out of my deep respect for ME, im going to pretend that that DLC never happened, and that the game just ends right as the APC crashes in london.

Consider this: What if Leviathan means to say Shepard succeeds only because the Reapers allow it?

Yeah, that could easily mean indoctrination. But then, why did Harbinger seem so disappointed at the end of ME2 when you defeat the Collectors? Isn't this their plan after all? But if so, this was a victory for Shepard, so how could it be what the Reapers wanted?

Then, there's Cerberus. But then, Miranda mentions that TIM wanted Shepard unaltered.

So what could it be? (Except for the horrible possibility of the devs not only being so trollful of mentioning The Matrix on that sheet of notes, but eventually also copypasting the "The One" theme)

[Smeffects]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

sure its real, but it renders sovereigns totally awesome speech on virmire totally worthless


the f*cking EC added more for IT

Well, there's the explicit mentioning of headaches, and that part about Shepard's victories not being the result of mere chance. The latter I sure hope does NOT mean a stupid "The Chosen One" bullsh*t reveal being inbound, but rather something hinting that Shepard's actions are sorta being 'controlled' by someone or something from the outside.

i hope thats not it either, but lets be honest, thats probably what they meant.

out of my deep respect for ME, im going to pretend that that DLC never happened, and that the game just ends right as the APC crashes in london.

Consider this: What if Leviathan means to say Shepard succeeds only because the Reapers allow it? 

It would contradict what he says right before that, that leviathan is interested in shepard because reapers are affraid of his success. Why would they be afraid of his success if they allowed it? This DLC really doesent give out much other then repeating word by word the star kid lines and giving the sence that leviathen believe shepard is the "chosen one" ohhhhhhhh.

Modifié par Smeffects, 28 août 2012 - 07:23 .

[The Heretic of Time]

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Hanar, you came in saying "So, looks like IT is false" which is always going to kick something off.

It does look like the Leviathan DLC puts another nail in the IT coffin. I also explained why. If you think that's trolling, than you have a problem. In that case the problem lies with you, not me.

No, I was just saying "if you don't agree with IT it's best stay away" I have apologised Hanar. 

It's phrases like "another nail in the IT coffin" which irk me because you speak them as if fact. I appreciate that's probably my bias in interpreting the posts.

I have not seen your apology, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and choose to believe you speak the truth.


And what I said is, that it looks like Leviathan DLC puts another nail in the IT coffin. Not saying that it is factually so, it's just my personal observation. To me the Leviathan DLC made the IT even less credible. As you know, I never believed in the IT in the first place, but I wouldn't deny that the IT could be true. But in my eyes the chances of the IT being true has just went down with the release of the Leviathan DLC.

The explanation that the Leviathans provide at the end make sense and it confirms the Catalyst is real.
It confirms that the organic v.s synthetics problem is not just made up by the Catalyst, it's a real problem that really exists.
It confirms the Catalyst is merely doing what it was programmed to do, even though the Leviathans never forsaw that the Catalyst would use such extreme methods to achieve it's goal (turning organics into reapers and creating the 50.000 years extinction cycle).
It also confirms the Catalyst's extinction cycle is not his ideal solution and the Catalyst is still search for his ideal solution (synthesis), but has not yet found it.
It explains why the Catalyst prefers the synthesis ending option and fears the destroy ending option the most.

[jgibson14352]

MaximizedAction wrote...
*snip*

i can see that being the case, but at the same time its pretty unlikely. id give it a 50/50, just because i really dont think BioWare will ever do the right thing again.

also, Harby may be pissed because the collector general failed to subdue shepard. remember the "preserve shepards body if possible"?

Modifié par jgibson14352, 28 août 2012 - 07:26 .

[Dwailing]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Hanar, you came in saying "So, looks like IT is false" which is always going to kick something off.

It does look like the Leviathan DLC puts another nail in the IT coffin. I also explained why. If you think that's trolling, than you have a problem. In that case the problem lies with you, not me.

No, I was just saying "if you don't agree with IT it's best stay away" I have apologised Hanar. 

It's phrases like "another nail in the IT coffin" which irk me because you speak them as if fact. I appreciate that's probably my bias in interpreting the posts.

I have not seen your apology, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and choose to believe you speak the truth.


And what I said is, that it looks like Leviathan DLC puts another nail in the IT coffin. Not saying that it is factually so, it's just my personal observation. To me the Leviathan DLC made the IT even less credible. As you know, I never believed in the IT in the first place, but I wouldn't deny that the IT could be true. But in my eyes the chances of the IT being true has just went down with the release of the Leviathan DLC.

The explanation that the Leviathans provide at the end make sense and it confirms the Catalyst is real.
It confirms that the organic v.s synthetics problem is not just made up by the Catalyst, it's a real problem that really exists.
It confirms the Catalyst is merely doing what it was programmed to do, even though the Leviathans never forsaw that the Catalyst would use such extreme methods to achieve it's goal (turning organics into reapers and creating the 50.000 years extinction cycle).
It also confirms the Catalyst's extinction cycle is not his ideal solution and the Catalyst is still search for his ideal solution (synthesis), but has not yet found it.
It explains why the Catalyst prefers the synthesis ending option and fears the destroy ending option the most.

The Catalyst fears Destroy?  Oh I DEFINITELY know what I'm choosing from now on! :devil:

[The Heretic of Time]

Dwailing wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Hanar, you came in saying "So, looks like IT is false" which is always going to kick something off.

It does look like the Leviathan DLC puts another nail in the IT coffin. I also explained why. If you think that's trolling, than you have a problem. In that case the problem lies with you, not me.

No, I was just saying "if you don't agree with IT it's best stay away" I have apologised Hanar. 

It's phrases like "another nail in the IT coffin" which irk me because you speak them as if fact. I appreciate that's probably my bias in interpreting the posts.

I have not seen your apology, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and choose to believe you speak the truth.


And what I said is, that it looks like Leviathan DLC puts another nail in the IT coffin. Not saying that it is factually so, it's just my personal observation. To me the Leviathan DLC made the IT even less credible. As you know, I never believed in the IT in the first place, but I wouldn't deny that the IT could be true. But in my eyes the chances of the IT being true has just went down with the release of the Leviathan DLC.

The explanation that the Leviathans provide at the end make sense and it confirms the Catalyst is real.
It confirms that the organic v.s synthetics problem is not just made up by the Catalyst, it's a real problem that really exists.
It confirms the Catalyst is merely doing what it was programmed to do, even though the Leviathans never forsaw that the Catalyst would use such extreme methods to achieve it's goal (turning organics into reapers and creating the 50.000 years extinction cycle).
It also confirms the Catalyst's extinction cycle is not his ideal solution and the Catalyst is still search for his ideal solution (synthesis), but has not yet found it.
It explains why the Catalyst prefers the synthesis ending option and fears the destroy ending option the most.

The Catalyst fears Destroy?  Oh I DEFINITELY know what I'm choosing from now on! :devil:

Yes it fears destroy for the reason it states in the ending: Destroy will not stop the organics v.s synthetics problem, it merely delays it.

Maybe you made peace with the geth and believe peace is possible with synthetics? In that case: go ahead and pick destroy. I hope you'll indeed succeed in finding peace with the future synthetics that will eventually be created.

[lemonade that cool refreshing drink]

Just because i voiced my opinion dosen't give you the right to lock the thread and push my statement away from the fourms that shows the maturity of the the comunity/Bioware so i guess ill will post it here since this is a thread "discussing Leviathan"

I even praised bioware for the trilogy.

It just pissed me off that i got locked for making the thread voicing my opinion about "Leviathan" and i thought i remained quite polite about it and yet i see heeps of other threads being made "discussing Leviathan".
-link 
http://social.biowar.../index/13878558 

what i said 


For praising this DLC.

Before we get into it yes i bought it, Why you ask?
Well i wanted to feel the emotion of the DLC by hands on then rather watching it on youtube.
But then again there is nothing to feel in this DLC at all...

Leviathan doesn't tell you anything you already know.. (harbinger being the first reaper from harvesting the species which made him) pretty sure the kid tells you that / or a codex.

+100 war assets
Tells you he will fight but you don't see or hear from the "team" at all after the little water cave.

Star childs One line about Leviathan saying that the species built the kid and that Harbinger became the first reaper.

oh and ann's side story about her father dieing from an Leviathan sleeper agent. LOL

No im not "BUTTHURT" or "MAD" about the DLC bioware did there job and congratulations to there part thanks for the 5 years, I may not agree with the ending as much as they do but in the end they made the trilogy so i don't see why they cant end it the way they want to.

Im entitled to my opinion and you are to yours.   

- Thank you and goodbye. 

[Smeffects]

No one is even kinda worried about this? Even if IT is correct, now an IT ending will be just as terrible and space magicy? Its still gona be synthetic vs organics. The Star kid will still exit and remain to be found and spoken to in order to stop the cycle. Both type of ending just went into a big stand still, where you must choose a way to live with synthetics. This time it might be Orange, Pink, Brown!

To quote liara: This is it, isnt it?

Modifié par Smeffects, 28 août 2012 - 07:36 .

[CoolioThane]

 

CoolioThane wrote...

Lemme level with everyone. I don't care if IT is real or not. Of course I'd prefer it, but my love of the universe means I actually really like the endings as they stand, despite the glaring retardedness, because I like the game. IT makes way more sense and is awesome, but it does not kill the game series if it isn't true.

I like arguing with people which is why I post aggressive stuff. Banter, but a very fine line between that and antagonistic behaviour. For that, I apologise, but those who are here to bash the IT and all of the people who believe in IT (I obviously do believe in IT) I suggest you politely get lost.

Discussing the IT is obviously encouraged, even if you don't agree. I must apologise to Hanar, for recently I have not read his posts, just seen the avatar and told him to ****** off. That is not acceptable. Mass Effected, you are obviously allowed to post, but the tone of your previous posts were interpreted as antagonistic by me and a few others.

I apologise for telling you to throw yourself off a dirt mound, it certainly can hurt falling 4cm. I apologise to Raven for coming across as aggressive.

I hope you appreciate this post. I truly mean it.

 

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Hanar, you came in saying "So, looks like IT is false" which is always going to kick something off.

It does look like the Leviathan DLC puts another nail in the IT coffin. I also explained why. If you think that's trolling, than you have a problem. In that case the problem lies with you, not me.

No, I was just saying "if you don't agree with IT it's best stay away" I have apologised Hanar. 

It's phrases like "another nail in the IT coffin" which irk me because you speak them as if fact. I appreciate that's probably my bias in interpreting the posts.

I have not seen your apology, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and choose to believe you speak the truth.


And what I said is, that it looks like Leviathan DLC puts another nail in the IT coffin. Not saying that it is factually so, it's just my personal observation. To me the Leviathan DLC made the IT even less credible. As you know, I never believed in the IT in the first place, but I wouldn't deny that the IT could be true. But in my eyes the chances of the IT being true has just went down with the release of the Leviathan DLC.

The explanation that the Leviathans provide at the end make sense and it confirms the Catalyst is real.
It confirms that the organic v.s synthetics problem is not just made up by the Catalyst, it's a real problem that really exists.
It confirms the Catalyst is merely doing what it was programmed to do, even though the Leviathans never forsaw that the Catalyst would use such extreme methods to achieve it's goal (turning organics into reapers and creating the 50.000 years extinction cycle).
It also confirms the Catalyst's extinction cycle is not his ideal solution and the Catalyst is still search for his ideal solution (synthesis), but has not yet found it.
It explains why the Catalyst prefers the synthesis ending option and fears the destroy ending option the most.

Oh fair enough! Yeah, I'm obviously a believer in IT but I can totally live with it not being true.

I haven't played Leviathan yet, but from what you say it sounds like we learn what we already knew 

[Smeffects]

CoolioThane wrote...

I haven't played Leviathan yet, but from what you say it sounds like we learn what we already knew 

Its more of a case that we learn that what we knew is sadly real .

[RavenEyry]

Smeffects wrote...

No one is even kinda worried about this?

Worried about what? A true ending being the same as the fake ending? Of course not because no company would ever write a plot twist like that and I feel dumber hearing it suggested.

[byne]

I havent finished Leviathan yet, but I'm already certain it was worth the download simply because I now have a pet husk head in my cabin.

He's adorable.

[The Heretic of Time]

CoolioThane wrote...

Lemme level with everyone. I don't care if IT is real or not. Of course I'd prefer it, but my love of the universe means I actually really like the endings as they stand, despite the glaring retardedness, because I like the game. IT makes way more sense and is awesome, but it does not kill the game series if it isn't true.

I like arguing with people which is why I post aggressive stuff. Banter, but a very fine line between that and antagonistic behaviour. For that, I apologise, but those who are here to bash the IT and all of the people who believe in IT (I obviously do believe in IT) I suggest you politely get lost.

Discussing the IT is obviously encouraged, even if you don't agree. I must apologise to Hanar, for recently I have not read his posts, just seen the avatar and told him to ****** off. That is not acceptable. Mass Effected, you are obviously allowed to post, but the tone of your previous posts were interpreted as antagonistic by me and a few others.

I apologise for telling you to throw yourself off a dirt mound, it certainly can hurt falling 4cm. I apologise to Raven for coming across as aggressive.

I hope you appreciate this post. I truly mean it.

 

Thanks Coolio. I appreciate this post.


I hope you realize that posting agressive posts will cause hostile reactions. Agression is not really useful when you're tyring to have a civilized debate. I have learned this myself the hard way. I've been a douchebag from time to time in the past, and I apologize for that.


Lets just all stay civil and discuss the IT and Mass Effect in general in a calm and civil manner.

[Smeffects]

RavenEyry wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

No one is even kinda worried about this?

Worried about what? A true ending being the same as the fake ending? Of course not because no company would ever write a plot twist like that and I feel dumber hearing it suggested.

In order for this to not happen? IT cant exist? Even under conventional victory the theme of the ending remains unchanged, all of this because Organic vs Synthetic. You gotta find a way to live togheter!!! In peace!!!!!! Pink ending.

[RavenEyry]

byne wrote...

I havent finished Leviathan yet, but I'm already certain it was worth the download simply because I now have a pet husk head in my cabin.

He's adorable.

I suddenly want the DLC just for that. I shall call him Bert and we shall be bestest friends.

[munnellyladt]

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

I havent finished Leviathan yet, but I'm already certain it was worth the download simply because I now have a pet husk head in my cabin.

He's adorable.

I suddenly want the DLC just for that. I shall call him Bert and we shall be bestest friends.

Yeah,But he will never replace nibbles the space hamster

[CoolioThane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Lemme level with everyone. I don't care if IT is real or not. Of course I'd prefer it, but my love of the universe means I actually really like the endings as they stand, despite the glaring retardedness, because I like the game. IT makes way more sense and is awesome, but it does not kill the game series if it isn't true.

I like arguing with people which is why I post aggressive stuff. Banter, but a very fine line between that and antagonistic behaviour. For that, I apologise, but those who are here to bash the IT and all of the people who believe in IT (I obviously do believe in IT) I suggest you politely get lost.

Discussing the IT is obviously encouraged, even if you don't agree. I must apologise to Hanar, for recently I have not read his posts, just seen the avatar and told him to ****** off. That is not acceptable. Mass Effected, you are obviously allowed to post, but the tone of your previous posts were interpreted as antagonistic by me and a few others.

I apologise for telling you to throw yourself off a dirt mound, it certainly can hurt falling 4cm. I apologise to Raven for coming across as aggressive.

I hope you appreciate this post. I truly mean it.

 

Thanks Coolio. I appreciate this post.


I hope you realize that posting agressive posts will cause hostile reactions. Agression is not really useful when you're tyring to have a civilized debate. I have learned this myself the hard way. I've been a douchebag from time to time in the past, and I apologize for that.


Lets just all stay civil and discuss the IT and Mass Effect in general in a calm and civil manner.

Oh I know. I guess I just let real life problems seep into BSN :happy:

WORD, biaaaatch! (the loving kind)

[GethPrimeMKII]

MaximizedAction wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

sure its real, but it renders sovereigns totally awesome speech on virmire totally worthless


the f*cking EC added more for IT

Well, there's the explicit mentioning of headaches, and that part about Shepard's victories not being the result of mere chance. The latter I sure hope does NOT mean a stupid "The Chosen One" bullsh*t reveal being inbound, but rather something hinting that Shepard's actions are sorta being 'controlled' by someone or something from the outside.

i hope thats not it either, but lets be honest, thats probably what they meant.

out of my deep respect for ME, im going to pretend that that DLC never happened, and that the game just ends right as the APC crashes in london.

Consider this: What if Leviathan means to say Shepard succeeds only because the Reapers allow it?

Yeah, that could easily mean indoctrination. But then, why did Harbinger seem so disappointed at the end of ME2 when you defeat the Collectors? Isn't this their plan after all? But if so, this was a victory for Shepard, so how could it be what the Reapers wanted?

Then, there's Cerberus. But then, Miranda mentions that TIM wanted Shepard unaltered.

So what could it be? (Except for the horrible possibility of the devs not only being so trollful of mentioning The Matrix on that sheet of notes, but eventually also copypasting the "The One" theme)

                 I didnt get the sense that Harbinger was deeply disappointed then. He seemed more annoyed but confident that Shepard's actions at best can only slow the Reapers down, and as we know the Reapers are very patient beings. Shepard actions are likely withing the range of acceptable norms. Going with the idea that Shepard isn't some mythical chosen one, it seems highly likely they've dealt with soldiers like Shepard before. The reapers are predators who have used the galaxy as their hunting grounds for millions of years. They can account for things like Shepard, however rarely people like Shepard come around.

                 Shepard is only special because he's manages to unite a galaxy who for the most part hate each other. There really isnt much else. He's not the last saiyan or anything stupid like that. There is nothing about Shepard that makes him significantly physically different than other human soldiers. The "chosen one" plot as we know it just isn't going to come about. 

                 Shepard's success can still play right into the Reaper's hands. His victories can be turned against him pretty easily. The easiest way to topple a formidable force is to sever the head. Allowing Shepard to gather the galaxy's mightiest fleet, bring them all to Earth, and then twisting Shepard's mind to serve the Reaper cause, is nothing short of genius. Think of how quickly things would unravel for the galaxy's forces once the man leading it all becomes an indoctrinated agent. 

               As for Cererus and TIM. Wanting Shepard unaltered merely suggests that his morales are intertwined with how he performs as a soldier and a leader. That's true of everybody. Your morales affect your actions. For a mission as daunting as defeating the collectors it would make sense not to risk altering, for the worst, the best man for that job.

[Hrothdane]

I'm just curious: has anyone actually PLAYED the ending with Leviathan installed yet? I want to see the finalized new dialogue with Starbinger.

Side note: Data-mining is obviously not complete yet, but the resident data-mining king at HTL posted that Leviathan is actually over 3 GB when unpacked. Might be some interesting data bits in there.

[MaximizedAction]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...
*snip*

Ah, ok. A victory by chance could happen to, say, Conrad Verner. Rather, Shepard's victories are results from his abilitiy to unite, his ability to make people follow him. Sounds good. Sad, I didnt couldn't think of this. Why do I always have to assume something supersticious when it comes to fiction? This is perfectly within the realm of near-to-real-world science.

[jgibson14352]

if this theory being discussed is true, then it would make sense that harbinger was disappointed in te collector general, he failed to subdue shepard, remember the line "preserve shepards body if possible"