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[SubAstris]

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

So long story short, does Leviathan support IT or not...

Supporters say it does, detractors say it doesn't, so I'm gonna assume it's as inconclusive as everything else, just as I expected.

As an obvious supporter of IT, anything stand out for you?

[RavenEyry]

SubAstris wrote...

As an obvious supporter of IT, anything stand out for you?

No. Leviathan seems to ust be a thing that happens that neither adds nor subtracts to the overall plot, despite obviously importnt material. Seems overall to be a bit of a waste.

[GethPrimeMKII]

MaximizedAction wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...
*snip*

Ah, ok. A victory by chance could happen to, say, Conrad Verner. Rather, Shepard's victories are results from his abilitiy to unite, his ability to make people follow him. Sounds good. Sad, I didnt couldn't think of this. Why do I always have to assume something supersticious when it comes to fiction? This is perfectly within the realm of near-to-real-world science.

Exactly. Don't believe the nonsense literalists and the catalyst will feed you. The reapers are not here to referee an ageless struggle between organics and synthetics. They are predators. Predators with millions of years of practice. It stands to reason that they'd have counter-measure after counter measure after counter-measure to deal with anything that could go wrong. That 50000 year cycle is noting more than a feeding/reproductive cycle. 

[SubAstris]

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

As an obvious supporter of IT, anything stand out for you?

No. Leviathan seems to ust be a thing that happens that neither adds nor subtracts to the overall plot, despite obviously importnt material. Seems overall to be a bit of a waste.

Ok, I just hear a lot of gloating that Leviathan is another nail in the coffin. I will abstain judgement until I have actually played it, which unfortunately won't be for a long time

[The Hollow]

Hey guys,

I haven't played Leviathan yet, but there's one question I have to ask based on the spoiler material discussed here, particularly to those who feel the DLC helps to deny IT:

Let's say the ending is indeed to be taken in its most literal form, Levi is telling the truth, starchild is telling the truth, etc etc..

If there's absolutely no mind manipulation / indoctrination going on with Shepard at the time he ascends to the multiple choice Lightning Round with everyone's favorite host - the Starchild, how does one explain Starchild taking on the form of the kid Shepard sees at the beginning of the game and throughout his dreams?? There is no rational explanation for it other than some invasion of Shepard's thoughts - whether he hallucinated the kid or the kid was actually hanging around during the attack, the fact remains that the Starchild represents the image of a being he has already seen or envisioned.

Since this is the first time the Starchild comes into contact with Shepard, let alone anyone, there is a 99.999999% chance (I did the math) that he will look like anyone or anyTHING other than the little boy Shep was dreaming about. The only way it could manifest itself in that form to such perfection would be to have some sort of access to Shep's mind - plain and simple. The degree of access is a big part of what's being debated, but at the very least, is that not the only way to explain the Starchild's form? And thus keep the door open to the very valid possibility that some level of hallucination/indoctrination/manipulation exists?

[byne]

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

As an obvious supporter of IT, anything stand out for you?

No. Leviathan seems to ust be a thing that happens that neither adds nor subtracts to the overall plot, despite obviously importnt material. Seems overall to be a bit of a waste.

Well I've just finished it. Seems like the fact that Leviathan can kick you out of your head and put you in an illusory setting where he takes the form of people you know is pretty pro-IT. Especially considering that when he first starts it, you're in that 'on your hands and knees position' and dont stand up until Leviathan tells you to breathe. Pretty reminiscent of when you first meet godchild.

Edit:

Though, to quote Garrus: "I never really thought we'd get any answers. It doesnt change much."

Modifié par byne, 28 août 2012 - 08:22 .

[RavenEyry]

byne wrote...

Well I've just finished it. Seems like the fact that Leviathan can kick you out of your head and put you in an illusory setting where he takes the form of people you know is pretty pro-IT. Especially considering that when he first starts it, you're in that 'on your hands and knees position' and dont stand up until Leviathan tells you to breathe. Pretty reminiscent of when you first meet godchild.

Edit:

Though, to quote Garrus: "I never really thought we'd get any answers. It doesnt change much."

Yeah, I heard there's another scene similar to the consensus, meaning it's happened twice before the suspiciously similar end, but overall it's just more stuff for the pile, and some stuff can be twisted into a denial as you may have already seen.

Not that I was expecting anything conclusive anyway, it's just I'm not really blown away by what I've heard so far. I'll get it once I finish my current ME2 game, which I haven't been playing much.

[byne]

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

Well I've just finished it. Seems like the fact that Leviathan can kick you out of your head and put you in an illusory setting where he takes the form of people you know is pretty pro-IT. Especially considering that when he first starts it, you're in that 'on your hands and knees position' and dont stand up until Leviathan tells you to breathe. Pretty reminiscent of when you first meet godchild.

Edit:

Though, to quote Garrus: "I never really thought we'd get any answers. It doesnt change much."

Yeah, I heard there's another scene similar to the consensus, meaning it's happened twice before the suspiciously similar end, but overall it's just more stuff for the pile, and some stuff can be twisted into a denial as you may have already seen.

Not that I was expecting anything conclusive anyway, it's just I'm not really blown away by what I've heard so far. I'll get it once I finish my current ME2 game, which I haven't been playing much.

The biggest question raised by the Leviathan DLC is obviously this: If I pick synthesis, will my husk head pet gain sentience? Will it be sad that its owner is dead?

[RavenEyry]

byne wrote...

The biggest question raised by the Leviathan DLC is obviously this: If I pick synthesis, will my husk head pet gain sentience? Will it be sad that its owner is dead?

And it'll miss all the parties because it's got noBODY to go with. *is shot*

[AxStapleton]

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

Well I've just finished it. Seems like the fact that Leviathan can kick you out of your head and put you in an illusory setting where he takes the form of people you know is pretty pro-IT. Especially considering that when he first starts it, you're in that 'on your hands and knees position' and dont stand up until Leviathan tells you to breathe. Pretty reminiscent of when you first meet godchild.

Edit:

Though, to quote Garrus: "I never really thought we'd get any answers. It doesnt change much."

Yeah, I heard there's another scene similar to the consensus, meaning it's happened twice before the suspiciously similar end, but overall it's just more stuff for the pile, and some stuff can be twisted into a denial as you may have already seen.

Not that I was expecting anything conclusive anyway, it's just I'm not really blown away by what I've heard so far. I'll get it once I finish my current ME2 game, which I haven't been playing much.

And when Shepard fully regains conciousness in the shuttle, there is a big and awkward breath. Just like in the rubble scene.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

Well I've just finished it. Seems like the fact that Leviathan can kick you out of your head and put you in an illusory setting where he takes the form of people you know is pretty pro-IT. Especially considering that when he first starts it, you're in that 'on your hands and knees position' and dont stand up until Leviathan tells you to breathe. Pretty reminiscent of when you first meet godchild.

Byne, you took the words out of my mouth.  I literally just came on to write something very similar, and boom there it is.

Its so much similar to the scene with the Godchild that its got to be connected.  At the very least it means that post-Anderson death has to be an illusion.

Other then that, the DLC is... ridiculous.  It adds very little, breaks the Reapers' lore even more and makes them look more and more like lost and confused children.  Very sad to see them far so far so quickly.

Oh, and yet again its hammered in - Shepard is special!  Well, fancy that...  And Leviathans have faces that look weirdly like Drell.  /shudder

Modifié par Andromidius, 28 août 2012 - 08:37 .

[MaximizedAction]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Exactly. Don't believe the nonsense literalists and the catalyst will feed you. The reapers are not here to referee an ageless struggle between organics and synthetics. They are predators. Predators with millions of years of practice. It stands to reason that they'd have counter-measure after counter measure after counter-measure to deal with anything that could go wrong. That 50000 year cycle is noting more than a feeding/reproductive cycle. 

Then where would that AI fit into the reproductive cycle? If the Reapers and thus the harvest are its solution to the organics vs. synthetics conflict, why do they need to reproduce in the form of harvesting?

Was that a necessary design choice to make it on the one hand a solution in the sense of its programming, and on the other hand be something that is neither an organic nor a synthetic, and by that, to make it efficient, use the harvesting as a form of reproduction in numbers...

Have a self organising system that merely does what it 'has' to do, no matter what 'lower species' think of it.

[byne]

SwobyJ wrote...

Oh my god, is all this TalixGarrus dialogue new? They're so flirting.

They've always flirted. You can even catch them making out at one point.

[RavenEyry]

SwobyJ wrote...

Oh my god, is all this TalixGarrus dialogue new? They're so flirting.

Some people thought their hookup was a little sudden, so Bioware have probably decided to make it a little more obvious.

[RavenEyry]

AxStapleton wrote...

And when Shepard fully regains conciousness in the shuttle, there is a big and awkward breath. Just like in the rubble scene.

What really? Is that after the leviathan induced dream sequence? If so you've just caught my interest.

[byne]

RavenEyry wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

And when Shepard fully regains conciousness in the shuttle, there is a big and awkward breath. Just like in the rubble scene.

What really? Is that after the leviathan induced dream sequence? If so you've just caught my interest.

The Leviathan induced dream also makes your nose bleed. Sort of like after you get hit by Harby's beam.

I'm probably looking way too much into that, though.

[jgibson14352]

RavenEyry wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Oh my god, is all this TalixGarrus dialogue new? They're so flirting.

Some people thought their hookup was a little sudden, so Bioware have probably decided to make it a little more obvious.

no it was always there, but now you can hear it with kaiden if you have the EC.

im also p*ssed at that "there is no war. only the harvest" it just reinforces the "when a fire burns" sh*tline

Modifié par jgibson14352, 28 août 2012 - 08:45 .

[Hrothdane]

Hmm. So Leviathan is 3.12 GB.

For comparison, From Ashes was 1.15 GB unpacked, EC was 2.39, and the vanilla game's files are 9.79 GB.

[byne]

Yknow, thinking about it, Leviathan was only able to control people who had spent too long near his artifacts and were indoctrinated.

Theres really no reason he should be able to control Shepard, unless she was already somewhat indoctrinated.

[RavenEyry]

jgibson14352 wrote...

im also p*ssed at that "there is no war. only the harvest" it just reinforces the "when a fire burns" sh*tline

It seems more along the lines of the reapers original motivations. Y'know, the "we're not the victims, we're not trying to save you from yourselves, we just like to kill things."

Some giant alien robots just want to watch the world burn /Alfred