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[Eryri]

I've just watched the video of the last 20 minutes of the DLC on Youtube. It's not all I was hoping for, but the Leviathans themselves were genuinely creepy and alien, and I certainly don't think it does the IT any damage.

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As others have stated, Shepard gets pulled into an illusory environment, populated with people and objects from his memories. If the Leviathans can do that, there's no reason to believe that the Reapers that are based on them or their master AI can't do the same or similar. He also enters that environment in exactly the same supine kneeling posture that he adopts in the decision chamber.

Plus correct me if I'm wrong, but Leviathan never refers to their A.I. as "the Catalyst". Just as a nameless AI. I still suspect that the true Catalyst will turn out to be something else entirely, possibly Shepard him/herself or Javik, and that Glowboy is attempting to trick Shepard and subvert the Crucible for his own ends - either in a full hallucination or Waking Nightmare. Just because his creators were jerks and he rebelled against them, doesn't make him any less of an ambitious, self-serving, lying git.

That being said, I think I'm going to wait and see if any future DLC improves the ending before I invest any money. The endings are still too depressing and/or ridiculous when viewed literally for me to summon up enough enthusiasm to play just now. Hopefully that will change.

Modifié par Eryri, 28 août 2012 - 08:53 .

[byne]

Hrothdane wrote...

Hmm. So Leviathan is 3.12 GB.

For comparison, From Ashes was 1.15 GB unpacked, EC was 2.39, and the vanilla game's files are 9.79 GB.

I may have just not paid attention, but I'm pretty sure Leviathan was less than 2GB for me.

[Andromidius]

jgibson14352 wrote...

im also p*ssed at that "there is no war. only the harvest" it just reinforces the "when a fire burns" sh*tline

At least we know where Starbinger gets its circular logic from.  They refuse to even accept they made a mistake creating 'The Intelligence', even though it drove them to near-extinction billions of years ago and caused them to never recover.

Like parent like child, I suppose.

[CoolioThane]

Methinks we could find some decent stuff when we dig.

*Dons Liara hat* WE DIG!

[Hrothdane]

jgibson14352 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Oh my god, is all this TalixGarrus dialogue new? They're so flirting.

Some people thought their hookup was a little sudden, so Bioware have probably decided to make it a little more obvious.

no it was always there, but now you can hear it with kaiden if you have the EC.

im also p*ssed at that "there is no war. only the harvest" it just reinforces the "when a fire burns" sh*tline

I just heard that line, too. All it prooves to me is that Leviathan has a similar outlook to Starbinger, which makes sense since Leviathans programmed the damn thing.

To go back to Starbinger's original line, a fire may not be at war with my house, but I'm still calling the fire department. I'm not going to leave a virus on my computer because it's just doing what it was created to do. Whether the Reapers bear malicicious intent or not is irrelevant; their actions in-and-of themselves are damaging and must be stopped.

[Hrothdane]

byne wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Hmm. So Leviathan is 3.12 GB.

For comparison, From Ashes was 1.15 GB unpacked, EC was 2.39, and the vanilla game's files are 9.79 GB.

I may have just not paid attention, but I'm pretty sure Leviathan was less than 2GB for me.

That's because it was not unpacked yet. It is compressed to 1.45 GBs when you download it.

[StElmo]

Leviathan's explanation of the reapers is essentially goading him into the final indoctrination attempt. Maybe the leviathan is a reaper construct to indoctrinate shepard? Still makes sense over the literal interpretation of that DLC.

[Andromidius]

Yeah, the Leviathans really glazed over the question on how they were defeated. Anything coming their way would instantly be brought back under their control, after all.

Oh, and the fact Shepard passes out in front of two Brutes and has to have Leviathan save him, and then save the shuttle because Cortez seems unable to do anything bar fly straight towards it...

Yeah. Summon Bigger Fish indeed.

[byne]

SwobyJ wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Leviathan's explanation of the reapers is essentially goading him into the final indoctrination attempt. Maybe the leviathan is a reaper construct to indoctrinate shepard? Still makes sense over the literal interpretation of that DLC.

One thing that worries me is how Shepard seemed so... OK with Leviathans joining everyone.

It really pushes the idea that, in some way, Shepard is working for the Leviathan, like how TIM may be working for Harbinger and Saren worked for Sovereign.

So I'm concerned with that and any implications of it.

Leviathan: I'm going to keep you down here forever as my slave, Shepard!
Shepard: No wait, lets be BFFs!
Leviathan: Ok.

Yeah, that was kind of weird.

[AxStapleton]

RavenEyry wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

And when Shepard fully regains conciousness in the shuttle, there is a big and awkward breath. Just like in the rubble scene.

What really? Is that after the leviathan induced dream sequence? If so you've just caught my interest.

I believe its when the LI is (if you brought them, otherwise someone else) is trying to wake Shepard up.

*edit* There's no video of it yet so you'll probably have to wait till tommorow for proof.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 28 août 2012 - 09:07 .

[Andromidius]

SwobyJ wrote...

One thing that worries me is how Shepard seemed so... OK with Leviathans joining everyone.

And everyone else.  Those control orbs are being spread all over the galaxy as well.

Leviathan panders to Shepard's ego as well by saying how special Shepard is, and takes only a single sentence to convince them from 'you'll remain here as our servant forever' to 'okay we'll fight the Reapers alongside you'.

Convinced, I am not.  They are apex predators, not galactic caretakers.

[byne]

Andromidius wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

One thing that worries me is how Shepard seemed so... OK with Leviathans joining everyone.

And everyone else.  Those control orbs are being spread all over the galaxy as well.

Leviathan panders to Shepard's ego as well by saying how special Shepard is, and takes only a single sentence to convince them from 'you'll remain here as our servant forever' to 'okay we'll fight the Reapers alongside you'.

Convinced, I am not.  They are apex predators, not galactic caretakers.

Yeah, we're not really given any reason to trust Levvy. (I shall call him Levvy. Levvy and Harby.)

The ending also seems to me more similar to Levvy's indoctrination that what we know about Harby and the other Reapers' indoctrination.

Maybe its actually Levvy indoctrinating you, not Harby?

[StElmo]

The literal interpretation of this DLC is mind bafflingly absurd. So leviathans allowed the people they control (thats what a thrall is) to destroy themselves, so to stop it, they made a mad AI, instead of you know... controlling their thralls and stopping them from making technology that way,,,

WTH>?>>>

[AxStapleton]

byne wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

One thing that worries me is how Shepard seemed so... OK with Leviathans joining everyone.

And everyone else.  Those control orbs are being spread all over the galaxy as well.

Leviathan panders to Shepard's ego as well by saying how special Shepard is, and takes only a single sentence to convince them from 'you'll remain here as our servant forever' to 'okay we'll fight the Reapers alongside you'.

Convinced, I am not.  They are apex predators, not galactic caretakers.

Yeah, we're not really given any reason to trust Levvy. (I shall call him Levvy. Levvy and Harby.)

The ending also seems to me more similar to Levvy's indoctrination that what we know about Harby and the other Reapers' indoctrination.

Maybe its actually Levvy indoctrinating you, not Harby?

I'd have to question that because you have at least 1 of the dreams before you are able to do the DLC. And we have already theorised that those dreams are remenscient of the descriptions of Indoctrination. Moreover, Shepard hadn't come into contact with anything directly related to Levvy before although we know for a fact that Shepard has been in prolonged direct contact with Reaper influence.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

Maybe its actually Levvy indoctrinating you, not Harby?

That's possible.  Trick Shepard into using the Crucible to bring the Reapers back under the control of their original masters, destroy the Reapers (hense why they don't really give a damn if you do it) or space magic for whatever reason.  And they get angry (and use their scary deep Leviathan voice) if you refuse to do anything.

Makes more sense.  Always bothered me why the Reapers seemingly didn't mind being destroyed or controlled.

[StElmo]

anyone notice the snapping in and out of mind control is similar to that nueral shock shepard gets in the citadel?

[FellishBeast]

byne wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Leviathan's explanation of the reapers is essentially goading him into the final indoctrination attempt. Maybe the leviathan is a reaper construct to indoctrinate shepard? Still makes sense over the literal interpretation of that DLC.

One thing that worries me is how Shepard seemed so... OK with Leviathans joining everyone.

It really pushes the idea that, in some way, Shepard is working for the Leviathan, like how TIM may be working for Harbinger and Saren worked for Sovereign.

So I'm concerned with that and any implications of it.

Leviathan: I'm going to keep you down here forever as my slave, Shepard!
Shepard: No wait, lets be BFFs!
Leviathan: Ok.

Yeah, that was kind of weird.

I sort of saw it like Aragorn trying to recruit the Oathbreakers. They say no but they do it anyways. But you may have a point. 

[Andromidius]

AxStapleton wrote...
I'd have to question that because you have at least 1 of the dreams before you are able to do the DLC. And we have already theorised that those dreams are remenscient of the descriptions of Indoctrination. Moreover, Shepard hadn't come into contact with anything directly related to Levvy before although we know for a fact that Shepard has been in prolonged direct contact with Reaper influence.

Actually, those 'Prothean' Orbs you find and have on board the Normandy?  Didn't they have zero energy output as well?  Those could be the same control orbs the Leviathans use.  And one could have been placed onboard the Crucible during construction, giving the Leviathans a means to project onto it and use its power.

Would explain why the Reapers are trying to stop Shepard getting on board, and why there are no Reapers there to stop you on the Citadel - the Leviathans control them and tell them to leave Shepard alone.

Not to mention they could control Harbinger and force him to leave the battle...

[CoolioThane]

"Where's the connection???"
"Location Unknown 82 65 A 71"
"Temp 756 F is that right?"

[byne]

AxStapleton wrote...

byne wrote...

Yeah, we're not really given any reason to trust Levvy. (I shall call him Levvy. Levvy and Harby.)

The ending also seems to me more similar to Levvy's indoctrination that what we know about Harby and the other Reapers' indoctrination.

Maybe its actually Levvy indoctrinating you, not Harby?

I'd have to question that because you have at least 1 of the dreams before you are able to do the DLC. And we have already theorised that those dreams are remenscient of the descriptions of Indoctrination. Moreover, Shepard hadn't come into contact with anything directly related to Levvy before although we know for a fact that Shepard has been in prolonged direct contact with Reaper influence.

I dont know about that. I had this thing in my cabin for quite a while, and it seems pretty familiar.



I always wondered if it was really a prothean artifact or not...

[byne]

Also, Thane needs to stop calling Shep Siha in her dreams. I didnt even romance him.

Modifié par byne, 28 août 2012 - 09:21 .

[Eryri]

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...

Maybe its actually Levvy indoctrinating you, not Harby?

That's possible.  Trick Shepard into using the Crucible to bring the Reapers back under the control of their original masters, destroy the Reapers (hense why they don't really give a damn if you do it) or space magic for whatever reason.  And they get angry (and use their scary deep Leviathan voice) if you refuse to do anything.

Makes more sense.  Always bothered me why the Reapers seemingly didn't mind being destroyed or controlled.

Yes, that does make more sense.

Has anyone seen the new dialogue with the Catalyst yet?

Modifié par Eryri, 28 août 2012 - 09:22 .