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[CoolioThane]

Also, on the ship there is (I believe) an original sign, similar to the Lightning-kid sign.

This one is of something falling onto the same face, but with a helmet on. I recognised the face. Also has the warning word.

[Either.Ardrey]

To those who have played Leviathan, what's the consensus on its quality? Is it of a Fixes-a-lot-and-makes-ME3-better-good or So-good-regardless-of-whether-or-not-it-fixes-some-of-the-endgame that I should get it now? Or is it good, but I should wait for the other DLC and monitor how it goes? Or should I just not get it?

While I don't mind spoilers, I would at least like to have some of it unspoiled if I were to get it soon.

[Andromidius]

From what I've seen it has promise, but then goes bat**** crazy and throws up more questions then answers.

Also several pointless gameplay elements. Like end of a cutscene, and then the button you need to press is directly in front so you don't even need to move to use it and start a new cutscene. Or an exploration section where nothing happens. Bizzare.

[byne]

Flog61 wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

To those who have played Leviathan, what's the consensus on its quality? Is it of a Fixes-a-lot-and-makes-ME3-better-good or So-good-regardless-of-whether-or-not-it-fixes-some-of-the-endgame that I should get it now? Or is it good, but I should wait for the other DLC and monitor how it goes? Or should I just not get it?

While I don't mind spoilers, I would at least like to have some of it unspoiled if I were to get it soon.

It was confusing, contradictory, and certainly not in the same league as lair of the shadow broker in my opinion

I enjoyed it. Comparing it to LotSB is unfair though. That was one of the best DLCs ever.

[Krogan Warlord]

People...Listen to me...It's over...No indoctrination.I believed in it but it seems it was a no go.It is the truth and we all know it.Time to accept it.The Leviathan DLC proved it is not clearly indoctrination.

[CoolioThane]

After finishing the DLC:

Loved it

One thing stuck in my head though straight away after completion:

SPOILERS

If Leviathan was the 'Reaper-looking' painting on the cliffs, WHAT THE **** were Slenderman and his slenderbuddies?!? I'm scared

[CoolioThane]

Krogan Warlord wrote...

People...Listen to me...It's over...No indoctrination.I believed in it but it seems it was a no go.It is the truth and we all know it.Time to accept it.The Leviathan DLC proved it is not clearly indoctrination.

****ing hell. In a DLC where Shep gets indoctrinated, people claim it means that IT is false because?

Seriously?!?!

[Hrothdane]

I enjoyed playing the Leviathan DLC itself. The combat was fine and I got new weapons to try out. The asteroid with all the thralls was appropriately creepy. The conversation with Leviathan captured the mood well. I liked how squadmates actually talked. Even in Lair of the Shadow Broker, Mr. Snarky "Good ol' Times" McArchangel barely had two lines.

That said, the DLC throws out a lot more obfuscation than answers, some of which may be interesting and fun to speculate on, but it also means that we have to wait ANOTHER 3-6 months for a chance at getting actual answers. The camera--which BioWare is a big fan of--focusing on Leviathan's little pause and sideways glance after you ask him about the Crucible is obviously intentional foreshadowing of something, but we will have to spend all that time waiting to figure out what.

[CoolioThane]

But Hroth, that's how they make more money. More speculation = more time thinking about game = more multiplayer = SPECTREPACKSYUM = money

[Steelcan]

Hrothdane wrote...

I enjoyed playing the Leviathan DLC itself. The combat was fine and I got new weapons to try out. The asteroid with all the thralls was appropriately creepy. The conversation with Leviathan captured the mood well. I liked how squadmates actually talked. Even in Lair of the Shadow Broker, Mr. Snarky "Good ol' Times" McArchangel barely had two lines.

That said, the DLC throws out a lot more obfuscation than answers, some of which may be interesting and fun to speculate on, but it also means that we have to wait ANOTHER 3-6 months for a chance at getting actual answers. The camera--which BioWare is a big fan of--focusing on Leviathan's little pause and sideways glance after you ask him about the Crucible is obviously intentional foreshadowing of something, but we will have to spend all that time waiting to figure out what.

But did the DLC itself add anything to IT?

[Andromidius]

Krogan Warlord wrote...

People...Listen to me...It's over...No indoctrination.I believed in it but it seems it was a no go.It is the truth and we all know it.Time to accept it.The Leviathan DLC proved it is not clearly indoctrination.

Incorrect.

No answer has been given, but to say IT is dead after seeing Shepard nearly be instantly indoctrinated by Leviathan (with lots of paralels to be drawn to the scene with Starbinger) is an incredible statement.

Please stop spreading misinformation, or drawing upon some authority you seem to think you have to plead with us to beleive you.  Its not effective.

[CoolioThane]

Oh yeah. I don't mind at all if the true ending is revealed, but it will feel like I've wasted a whole lot of time if it isn't

[GethPrimeMKII]

EpyonX3 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Where is the evidence to support Shepard being immune to indoctrination?

1) Three entire games minus the last 10 minutes are Shepard wanting to wipe them out.
2) Leviathan wanting to study is uniqueness, why the reapers see him as a threat.
3) Harbinger wanting to study him, dead or alive.

There is something special about Shepard that reapers and levy wants. I think it's how he can fight the reapers for so long and be successfull. 

1)Seems to be a point proving he can be indoctrinated. If he was immune, he wouldnt be tempted by two choices 
     at the last minute.

2)That can be for any number of reasons having nothing to do with indoctrination immunity. If Leviathan studies           Shepard he'll be disapointed in what he finds. Aside from a few cybernetic parts, Shepard is just another      
    human. It doesnt qualify as evidence.

3)Again that hardly qualifies as evidence. 

1) Not really. I only say this because you have the option of not killing them all. What happens if a player picks destroy? Is it that he's not indoctrinated, or is it that the player did what Shepard went there to do?

2) Then why did Levy bother having a conversation? He had Shepard in front of him and was able to enter his mind. He could have just shut him off like the others and did what he wanted. Perhaps it's because he couldn't. If he could study why he couldn't, then maybe he could stop the reapers from indoctrinating anyone the next cycle, making it more difficult for the harvest to proceeed. 

3) Harbinger could have been to indoctrinate him each time they had an encounter and failed. Such a thing needs to be studied so that if it happens the next cycle, they can be prepared.

Each side wants Shepard for the same reason but for different purposes. And they both have to do with indoctrination.

I haven't played leviathan yet but I'll get to it by tomorrow sometime I hope. So I'll just respond to 1 and 3

     The theory asserts that Shepard is undergoing the process of indoctrination throughout the game. This is not  
     the same as being completely and fully indoctrinated. Were Shepard completely indoctrinated, there wouldnt be
     much of a story left to tell as Shepard would be out there doing the Reapers'  bidding. 

     The ending comes down to you resisting indoctrination and staying commited to destroying the reapers, or  
     ultimately succumbing to indoctrination and falling in line with their goals. The synthesis choice makes it more
     obvious. Thecatalyst claims choosing it will fuse synthetic and organic dna into something new, causing
     everyone to reach the pinnacle of evolution. What are reapers? A combination of synthetics and organics.
     And what do they already consider themselves? The pinnacle of evolution.

     Its an absurd idea for Shepard to be the only one in millions of years to be immune to indoctrination. Shepard
     being immune to indoctrination does so much damage to the trilogy and introduces so many plotholes its not
     even funny. 

   

     

[CoolioThane]

Who the hell are the slenderman-type paintings?! NO EXPLAINS

[legaldinho]

EpyonX3 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Where is the evidence to support Shepard being immune to indoctrination?

1) Three entire games minus the last 10 minutes are Shepard wanting to wipe them out.
2) Leviathan wanting to study is uniqueness, why the reapers see him as a threat.
3) Harbinger wanting to study him, dead or alive.

There is something special about Shepard that reapers and levy wants. I think it's how he can fight the reapers for so long and be successfull. 

You think, eh. 1) is up for debate. 2) is not evidence of immunity from indoctrination. Leviathan in fact intends to make him his slave, until he sees his defiance... or something. A huge leap to say it's an immunity. 3) Ditto. Huge leap to say it's because he's immune.

Resistant, resilient, yes- there's in game evidence for that. But immunity, no.

[Hrothdane]

SwobyJ wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

But Hroth, that's how they make more money. More speculation = more time thinking about game = more multiplayer = SPECTREPACKSYUM = money

Basically this.

But if this is their plan, and the 'real ending' is yet to come, I don't mind. In retrospect, I'd love it and I'll replay the series over and over forever.

But we don't know for sure yet, so whatever.

I know...I agree that I would love BioWare forever if they are building to some "real ending" that is amazing.

I just want to feel as though all our efforts here are recognized

[Jaze55]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Where is the evidence to support Shepard being immune to indoctrination?

1) Three entire games minus the last 10 minutes are Shepard wanting to wipe them out.
2) Leviathan wanting to study is uniqueness, why the reapers see him as a threat.
3) Harbinger wanting to study him, dead or alive.

There is something special about Shepard that reapers and levy wants. I think it's how he can fight the reapers for so long and be successfull. 

1)Seems to be a point proving he can be indoctrinated. If he was immune, he wouldnt be tempted by two choices 
     at the last minute.

2)That can be for any number of reasons having nothing to do with indoctrination immunity. If Leviathan studies           Shepard he'll be disapointed in what he finds. Aside from a few cybernetic parts, Shepard is just another      
    human. It doesnt qualify as evidence.

3)Again that hardly qualifies as evidence. 

1) Not really. I only say this because you have the option of not killing them all. What happens if a player picks destroy? Is it that he's not indoctrinated, or is it that the player did what Shepard went there to do?

2) Then why did Levy bother having a conversation? He had Shepard in front of him and was able to enter his mind. He could have just shut him off like the others and did what he wanted. Perhaps it's because he couldn't. If he could study why he couldn't, then maybe he could stop the reapers from indoctrinating anyone the next cycle, making it more difficult for the harvest to proceeed. 

3) Harbinger could have been to indoctrinate him each time they had an encounter and failed. Such a thing needs to be studied so that if it happens the next cycle, they can be prepared.

Each side wants Shepard for the same reason but for different purposes. And they both have to do with indoctrination.

I haven't played leviathan yet but I'll get to it by tomorrow sometime I hope. So I'll just respond to 1 and 3

     The theory asserts that Shepard is undergoing the process of indoctrination throughout the game. This is not  
     the same as being completely and fully indoctrinated. Were Shepard completely indoctrinated, there wouldnt be
     much of a story left to tell as Shepard would be out there doing the Reapers'  bidding. 

     The ending comes down to you resisting indoctrination and staying commited to destroying the reapers, or  
     ultimately succumbing to indoctrination and falling in line with their goals. The synthesis choice makes it more
     obvious. Thecatalyst claims choosing it will fuse synthetic and organic dna into something new, causing
     everyone to reach the pinnacle of evolution. What are reapers? A combination of synthetics and organics.
     And what do they already consider themselves? The pinnacle of evolution.

     Its an absurd idea for Shepard to be the only one in millions of years to be immune to indoctrination. Shepard
     being immune to indoctrination does so much damage to the trilogy and introduces so many plotholes its not
     even funny. 

   

     

I agree about him being immune damaging the series. I also have always stated having Shepard be the ONLY one to ever BE indoctrinated and then break out of it -besides to kill themselves- would also damage the series. That is THE biggest reason I hate  the indoc theory, because it breaks the lore. 

[Hrothdane]

Okay, so I was looking through my screenshots from Leviathan, specifically the mission to rescue Ann with the Slendermen cave paintings, and I found this. It was from the last part of the mission, right by the extraction point I believe, and I was fighting Reapers obviously.

Any idea why the hell it looks like Amateratsu spilled a bunch of ink all over my game?

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Hrothdane wrote...

I enjoyed playing the Leviathan DLC itself. The combat was fine and I got new weapons to try out. The asteroid with all the thralls was appropriately creepy. The conversation with Leviathan captured the mood well. I liked how squadmates actually talked. Even in Lair of the Shadow Broker, Mr. Snarky "Good ol' Times" McArchangel barely had two lines.

That said, the DLC throws out a lot more obfuscation than answers, some of which may be interesting and fun to speculate on, but it also means that we have to wait ANOTHER 3-6 months for a chance at getting actual answers. The camera--which BioWare is a big fan of--focusing on Leviathan's little pause and sideways glance after you ask him about the Crucible is obviously intentional foreshadowing of something, but we will have to spend all that time waiting to figure out what.

Did you hear everything they were talking about there? Testing pain thresholds, planning to abduct whole colonies?

And these are supposed to be our allies at the end of dlc? You know, the ones we literally can't turn down for being too dangerous and will probably demand tribute when all is said and done.

[GethPrimeMKII]

MassEffected555 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Where is the evidence to support Shepard being immune to indoctrination?

1) Three entire games minus the last 10 minutes are Shepard wanting to wipe them out.
2) Leviathan wanting to study is uniqueness, why the reapers see him as a threat.
3) Harbinger wanting to study him, dead or alive.

There is something special about Shepard that reapers and levy wants. I think it's how he can fight the reapers for so long and be successfull. 

1)Seems to be a point proving he can be indoctrinated. If he was immune, he wouldnt be tempted by two choices 
     at the last minute.

2)That can be for any number of reasons having nothing to do with indoctrination immunity. If Leviathan studies           Shepard he'll be disapointed in what he finds. Aside from a few cybernetic parts, Shepard is just another      
    human. It doesnt qualify as evidence.

3)Again that hardly qualifies as evidence. 

1) Not really. I only say this because you have the option of not killing them all. What happens if a player picks destroy? Is it that he's not indoctrinated, or is it that the player did what Shepard went there to do?

2) Then why did Levy bother having a conversation? He had Shepard in front of him and was able to enter his mind. He could have just shut him off like the others and did what he wanted. Perhaps it's because he couldn't. If he could study why he couldn't, then maybe he could stop the reapers from indoctrinating anyone the next cycle, making it more difficult for the harvest to proceeed. 

3) Harbinger could have been to indoctrinate him each time they had an encounter and failed. Such a thing needs to be studied so that if it happens the next cycle, they can be prepared.

Each side wants Shepard for the same reason but for different purposes. And they both have to do with indoctrination.

I haven't played leviathan yet but I'll get to it by tomorrow sometime I hope. So I'll just respond to 1 and 3

     The theory asserts that Shepard is undergoing the process of indoctrination throughout the game. This is not  
     the same as being completely and fully indoctrinated. Were Shepard completely indoctrinated, there wouldnt be
     much of a story left to tell as Shepard would be out there doing the Reapers'  bidding. 

     The ending comes down to you resisting indoctrination and staying commited to destroying the reapers, or  
     ultimately succumbing to indoctrination and falling in line with their goals. The synthesis choice makes it more
     obvious. Thecatalyst claims choosing it will fuse synthetic and organic dna into something new, causing
     everyone to reach the pinnacle of evolution. What are reapers? A combination of synthetics and organics.
     And what do they already consider themselves? The pinnacle of evolution.

     Its an absurd idea for Shepard to be the only one in millions of years to be immune to indoctrination. Shepard
     being immune to indoctrination does so much damage to the trilogy and introduces so many plotholes its not
     even funny. 

   

     

I agree about him being immune damaging the series. I also have always stated having Shepard be the ONLY one to ever BE indoctrinated and then break out of it -besides to kill themselves- would also damage the series. That is THE biggest reason I hate  the indoc theory, because it breaks the lore. 

Not break free. Resist. You're implying he purges indoctrination from his system entirely. That is not what the theory is suggesting. Big difference.