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[Krogan Warlord]

CoolioThane wrote...

Krogan Warlord wrote...


No Shep indoctrinated in ME1,2,or 3.As far as I am concerned.To have hallucinations etc... You must go through long term Indoctrination.And you are stating rapid Indoctrination since he shows no sings of Indoctrination in ME1,ME2 (Arrival maybe?) ME3(Dream?)

No,it's long-term mate. How many times did you contradict yourself there? LOL

I thought you were going to your life?

Going is the word,not gone.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Also did anyone else catch the TGES tour videos?

The first one seems relatively fine with minor audio alterations.
The second alludes very strongly to the motives of the Leviathans and what they've been doing at the mining facility.( "TGES has an EYE on the FUTURE, etc.)
The third more than suggests that Leviathan is watching Shepard's every move. ("TGES is focused on-" Vid cuts to security cam focused on Shepard)

[Andromidius]

Krogan Warlord wrote...
Going is the word,not gone.

Bye.  We won't miss you.  Have fun!

[CoolioThane]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Also did anyone else catch the TGES tour videos?

The first one seems relatively fine with minor audio alterations.
The second alludes very strongly to the motives of the Leviathans and what they've been doing at the mining facility.( "TGES has an EYE on the FUTURE, etc.)
The third more than suggests that Leviathan is watching Shepard's every move. ("TGES is focused on-" Vid cuts to security cam focused on Shepard)

Yes! That along with the slender paintings creeped me out!

[CoolioThane]

Krogan Warlord wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Krogan Warlord wrote...


No Shep indoctrinated in ME1,2,or 3.As far as I am concerned.To have hallucinations etc... You must go through long term Indoctrination.And you are stating rapid Indoctrination since he shows no sings of Indoctrination in ME1,ME2 (Arrival maybe?) ME3(Dream?)

No,it's long-term mate. How many times did you contradict yourself there? LOL

I thought you were going to your life?

Going is the word,not gone.

Don't forget your medication 

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Krogan Warlord wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Krogan Warlord wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Krogan Warlord wrote...

Wich part does sound brained?
BTW did You even play Leviathan?

Lol sentence! The Reapers are not iron.

Yes I did! It was very good. Pro-IT in my opinion

Fine let me correct my self.PIECE OF ******* GENETIC LARVA

Lol, and we already know that they can indoctrinate. 

Do you remember in Mass Effect 1 and 2 and 3? Or did your mummy cover your eyes and ears during those parts?

No Shep indoctrinated in ME1,2,or 3.As far as I am concerned.To have hallucinations etc... You must go through long term Indoctrination.And you are stating rapid Indoctrination since he shows no sings of Indoctrination in ME1,ME2 (Arrival maybe?) ME3(Dream?)

And why the hell does everyone think I am braindead?
I am the one receiving the insults...

But wait, I thought you said that IT is dead and the new dlc proves it?
You said, and I qoute:
 
"People...Listen to me...It's over...No indoctrination.I believed in it but it seems it was a no go.It is the truth and we all know it.Time to accept it.The Leviathan DLC proved it is not clearly indoctrination."

Lol. Make up your mind bro.

Modifié par OneWithTheAssassins, 29 août 2012 - 01:56 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

CoolioThane wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Also did anyone else catch the TGES tour videos?

The first one seems relatively fine with minor audio alterations.
The second alludes very strongly to the motives of the Leviathans and what they've been doing at the mining facility.( "TGES has an EYE on the FUTURE, etc.)
The third more than suggests that Leviathan is watching Shepard's every move. ("TGES is focused on-" Vid cuts to security cam focused on Shepard)

Yes! That along with the slender paintings creeped me out!

I kind of wonder if those were the synthetics that killed off Lev's "tools"? I didn't get to see the paintings enough my first play through the dlc though.

[Krogan Warlord]

Wait my life can wait a bit (PLEASE STOP WITH THE INSULTS)
I would like to know wich evidence does the IT have to support itself post the DLC's.

Modifié par Krogan Warlord, 29 août 2012 - 02:01 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Krogan Warlord wrote...

Wait my life can wait a bit (PLEASE STOP WITH THE INSULTS)
I would like to know wich evidence does the IT have to support itself post the DLC's.

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Modifié par OneWithTheAssassins, 29 août 2012 - 02:00 .

[Jamie9]

Hrothdane wrote...
Reaper indoctrination works by slowly rewriting the brain via nanites. This is why rapid indoctrination ruins the mind of the victim because it brute forces the job. If the brain suddenly reverts to it's pre-Reaper exposed structure, then it would ruin Shepard's mind.

Also, hile the effects of Leviathan thralldom appear similar, there are significant differences such as how the victims lose memory of all actions taken while under control and how Leviathan's signal can be tracked. Benezia, Saren, and TIM don't suddenly forget what's going on and act all confused when they break free from control temporarily. The blackouts suggests that Leviathans "assume direct control" of thralls rather than rewrite the brain to want to serve them.

The processes are probably different enough that they don't interfere, but we have no way of knowing either way at this point.

Yep, Leviathans abilities are more like a cross between Reaper Indoctrination and the Thorian's spores.

But Leviathan's indoctrination seems to be stronger than any Reaper's. Example: the Brute was being controlled by the Reapers, but Leviathan took control instead. Would this not erase the Reaper's indoctrination?

So, applying this to Shepard. If he was in the slow process of indoctrination (it was building up at this point, but he wasn't indoctrinated ala IT theory), wouldn't the exposure start anew?

Modifié par Jamie9, 29 août 2012 - 02:02 .

[Krogan Warlord]

Modifié par Krogan Warlord, 29 août 2012 - 02:05 .

[byne]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Krogan Warlord wrote...

Wait my life can wait a bit (PLEASE STOP WITH THE INSULTS)
I would like to know wich evidence does the IT have to support itself post the DLC's.

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*Please try again later*

Grammer? Seriously?

You lose this argument solely based on that.

[Jaze55]

Krogan Warlord wrote...

People...Listen to me...It's over...No indoctrination.I believed in it but it seems it was a no go.It is the truth and we all know it.Time to accept it.The Leviathan DLC proved it is not clearly indoctrination.

No one noticed this the first time either? I think he is doing that on purpose instead of saying

It clearly not indoc....


NEVERMIND. Thread back jumped and I thought he posted the same thing again, Ignore that. 

Modifié par MassEffected555, 29 août 2012 - 02:08 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

byne wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Krogan Warlord wrote...

Wait my life can wait a bit (PLEASE STOP WITH THE INSULTS)
I would like to know wich evidence does the IT have to support itself post the DLC's.

*We're sorry, but you must have intellegence above that of the common dung beetle AND be able to have proper spelling and grammer at a level high enough level for the rest of us to understand you.*

*Please try again later*

Grammer? Seriously?

You lose this argument solely based on that.

Damn! And I would of gotten away with it too, if it weren't for your meddling byne!

[I_eat_unicorns]

CoolioThane wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Krogan Warlord wrote...

Wich part does sound brained?
BTW did You even play Leviathan?

Lol sentence! The Reapers are not iron.

Yes I did! It was very good. Pro-IT in my opinion

The reapers are known to indoctrinate. It's just an advanced form of control the leviathans do over organics. But the leviathans said that the catalyst was a real thing. Not a hallucination. 

Well, the Leviathans said they created an intelligence...

advanced ai (ie the catalyst) like it explained itself in the ec dlc.

Modifié par I_eat_unicorns, 29 août 2012 - 02:09 .

[Krogan Warlord]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

byne wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Krogan Warlord wrote...

Wait my life can wait a bit (PLEASE STOP WITH THE INSULTS)
I would like to know wich evidence does the IT have to support itself post the DLC's.

*We're sorry, but you must have intellegence above that of the common dung beetle AND be able to have proper spelling and grammer at a level high enough level for the rest of us to understand you.*

*Please try again later*

Grammer? Seriously?

You lose this argument solely based on that.

Damn! And I would of gotten away with it too, if it weren't for your meddling byne!

Think I didn't notice?

[Big_Boss9]

I know everyone's busy with Leviathan, but just wanted to point out that there was some interesting text in Alloy's victory message:

Chris Priestly wrote...

From: Admiral Steven Hackett
Re: Operation ALLOY
Confidentiality classification: XB-PRIME
Distribution: N7 Forces Only

Soldiers of the Milky Way –

It is now common knowledge that Operation ALLOY did not go strictly as planned. Sweeps in what should have been relatively low-risk areas were met with heavy enemy resistance. Fortunately, reports from the field indicate that our troops persevered and were able to strike back. I’ve already been informed of a number of well-deserved promotions. In light of these reports, Operation ALLOY has been deemed a success. 

Over the next few days you’ll likely hear many stories about our talented new recruits. I would also like to congratulate the experienced soldiers who fought alongside them. It is under your guidance and leadership that these new recruits excelled. They are now prepared to join our forces on the front lines, and we are all stronger for it.

While we celebrate Operation ALLOY’s success, we need to be aware that the unexpected resistance faced by our soldiers may be symptomatic of a larger issue. We’ve been receiving a number of strange reports that are inconsistent with our knowledge of Reaper ground troop movement. At this point, intel is vague at best. Rest assured we are pursuing the matter.

--Admiral Hackett


Congratulations, Alloy was a big success. For those interested in numbers:
PC: 67,573
PS3: 28,398
XBox: 166,778

TOTAL: 262,749!

Also, don't blow a gasket when you don't receive a medigel capacity upgrade in your Victory Pack. The operational success merely unlocked our ability to purchase another one, but if your rares are already/mostly maxed, you should get it pretty quickly in an SP or PSP.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 29 août 2012 - 02:12 .

[Jere85]

Cmon guys... This isn't your first day on the forums.
What is the first rule?

Never feed the trolls. Let the capslock Krogan rage for a moment, he will find it boring when nobody responds. Cmon... Just let this popular guy live his life of pure awesome.

Good game Mister Warlord, you got some attention. But i'm sure you have better things to do, like boning your insanely hot girlfriend im sure you have.

[GethPrimeMKII]

MassEffected555 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Where is the evidence to support Shepard being immune to indoctrination?

1) Three entire games minus the last 10 minutes are Shepard wanting to wipe them out.
2) Leviathan wanting to study is uniqueness, why the reapers see him as a threat.
3) Harbinger wanting to study him, dead or alive.

There is something special about Shepard that reapers and levy wants. I think it's how he can fight the reapers for so long and be successfull. 

1)Seems to be a point proving he can be indoctrinated. If he was immune, he wouldnt be tempted by two choices 
     at the last minute.

2)That can be for any number of reasons having nothing to do with indoctrination immunity. If Leviathan studies           Shepard he'll be disapointed in what he finds. Aside from a few cybernetic parts, Shepard is just another      
    human. It doesnt qualify as evidence.

3)Again that hardly qualifies as evidence. 

1) Not really. I only say this because you have the option of not killing them all. What happens if a player picks destroy? Is it that he's not indoctrinated, or is it that the player did what Shepard went there to do?

2) Then why did Levy bother having a conversation? He had Shepard in front of him and was able to enter his mind. He could have just shut him off like the others and did what he wanted. Perhaps it's because he couldn't. If he could study why he couldn't, then maybe he could stop the reapers from indoctrinating anyone the next cycle, making it more difficult for the harvest to proceeed. 

3) Harbinger could have been to indoctrinate him each time they had an encounter and failed. Such a thing needs to be studied so that if it happens the next cycle, they can be prepared.

Each side wants Shepard for the same reason but for different purposes. And they both have to do with indoctrination.

I haven't played leviathan yet but I'll get to it by tomorrow sometime I hope. So I'll just respond to 1 and 3

     The theory asserts that Shepard is undergoing the process of indoctrination throughout the game. This is not  
     the same as being completely and fully indoctrinated. Were Shepard completely indoctrinated, there wouldnt be
     much of a story left to tell as Shepard would be out there doing the Reapers'  bidding. 

     The ending comes down to you resisting indoctrination and staying commited to destroying the reapers, or  
     ultimately succumbing to indoctrination and falling in line with their goals. The synthesis choice makes it more
     obvious. Thecatalyst claims choosing it will fuse synthetic and organic dna into something new, causing
     everyone to reach the pinnacle of evolution. What are reapers? A combination of synthetics and organics.
     And what do they already consider themselves? The pinnacle of evolution.

     Its an absurd idea for Shepard to be the only one in millions of years to be immune to indoctrination. Shepard
     being immune to indoctrination does so much damage to the trilogy and introduces so many plotholes its not
     even funny. 

   

     

I agree about him being immune damaging the series. I also have always stated having Shepard be the ONLY one to ever BE indoctrinated and then break out of it -besides to kill themselves- would also damage the series. That is THE biggest reason I hate  the indoc theory, because it breaks the lore. 

Not break free. Resist. You're implying he purges indoctrination from his system entirely. That is not what the theory is suggesting. Big difference.

Maybe you can answer this for me then where others have failed.

How exactly does he resist? Is he indoctrinated or isnt he? I never heard of someone being in the process of indoctrination where the are already seeing visions as .... breaking out? Resisting? See to me resisting would mean NOTHING at all happens. I've linked the codex where it says once you start seeing things blah blah you are indoctrinated. 

So where exactly is he either not indoctrinated, or where IS he indoctrinated so he can resist, OR (sorry these are real questions) where is it that he feels the indoctrination happening but then he resists?

           Certainly. First off many people confuse being fully indoctrinated with undergoing the process of indoctrination. As the codex suggests, slow and patient indoctrination achieves the best result: A thrall that can build up gradually and last for months or years. Below is the excerpt from the codex entry on indoctrination that will help answer your question:

"Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences."

          Shepard is slowly undergoing indoctrination. As the excerpt suggests, those undergoing the process can and will experience the symptoms, as Shepard does. This is completely different  than being fully indoctrinated. Were that the case, Shepard would be like Saren, fully in line with the Reapers' goals and hell bent on helping them accomplish them. 

           Make no mistake. Resist does not mean break free from permanently. It in no way implies nothing happened. You can resist an addition, but are you ever really free from it forever?

           The ending is one last battle in Shepard's mind against Reaper indoctrination. Will you resist it and keep to your goal to destroy the reapers? Or will you give in and fall in line with the reapers' goals. You either resist indoctrination, or you give into it.

            And I say you because it is as much your battle against indoctrination as it is Shepard's. Have you ever looked at the decision chamber's layout and wondered why are the choices colored renegade red and paragon blue? When has Shepard ever associated morale decisions with colors? He has never, but you have. With the only correct choice put in such a bad light, it is no wonder many fail to resist. 

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 29 août 2012 - 02:13 .

[EpyonX3]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I haven't played leviathan yet but I'll get to it by tomorrow sometime I hope. So I'll just respond to 1 and 3

     The theory asserts that Shepard is undergoing the process of indoctrination throughout the game. This is not  
     the same as being completely and fully indoctrinated. Were Shepard completely indoctrinated, there wouldnt be
     much of a story left to tell as Shepard would be out there doing the Reapers'  bidding. 

     The ending comes down to you resisting indoctrination and staying commited to destroying the reapers, or  
     ultimately succumbing to indoctrination and falling in line with their goals. The synthesis choice makes it more
     obvious. Thecatalyst claims choosing it will fuse synthetic and organic dna into something new, causing
     everyone to reach the pinnacle of evolution. What are reapers? A combination of synthetics and organics.
     And what do they already consider themselves? The pinnacle of evolution.

     Its an absurd idea for Shepard to be the only one in millions of years to be immune to indoctrination. Shepard
     being immune to indoctrination does so much damage to the trilogy and introduces so many plotholes its not
     even funny. 

This game uses evolution heavily. Evolution is that one and a million chance that one will develop with
a special quality that others do not have. Those with that quality end up surviving through the ages. Shepard is that case. He's developed to the point where indoctrination by current methods is unachievable. Is he immune to
indoctrination? In its current form, most likely yes. Can new forms of indoctrination arise where people like Shepard become indoctrinated? Yes.

When you play Levy, he'll tell you that it took many cycles to develop indoctrination effectively. It was a process that
continued to improve upon itself. Now why is that? How is it that indoctrination has to improve when organics for the most part all work the same?


Shepard is this cycle's anomaly. He's this Cycle's pinnacle of evolution.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 29 août 2012 - 02:13 .

[Jere85]

I hear these things about Shepard being able to control reapers? Is that just some hocus pocus? Or did i miss something in the DLC?

[Krogan Warlord]

"The mental damage from indoctrination is severe and permanent. As
Shepard saw, the captured salarians on Virmire had been turned into
shambling husks, who either attacked on sight or just stood awaiting
orders. Only people with immense mental strength are able to resist
indoctrination, and even then, only for a short time."
Directly from Mass Effect Codex.
Codex