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[The Twilight God]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

The cybernetic "Renegade" eyes vary in several places:
-Base Color
-The Pupil is illumated in the "renegade" eye, where it is not in the blue "TIM" eye
-The three dot pattern is inverted between the two textures
-The iris illumination is more pronounced, and segmented, in the "TIM" eye

While similar, in that they both have three "dot" connection points, besides that their only similarity- not borne of the basic shape of the eye- is colorful illumination.

Here, you can see the melding between the two during control. They are seperate and distinct.

Shepard is so a Reaper at the end of Control.

The Twilight God wrote...

So Shepard approaches four prongs; two on top and two matching prongs on the bottom. They power on as he gets close to them. Electricity arcs between the top and bottom prongs. Shepard grabs a hold of one of the lower pong handles. It makes a sound, but nothing happens. Either it isn't actually electricity or the material is so conductive that the electricity ignores Shepard because his body has too much ohmage. When he puts his other hand on the other prong's handle the magic starts. Some sort of visible electromagnetic field forms around Shepard's vicinity with electrical arcs flying everywhere. There are visible arcs running across his body, but he retains control of his bodily functions. Based on this we can deduce that it isn't electricity, but something else entirely. Shepards flesh becomes "huskish" in appearance. Shepard's eyes change from the solid orange-red iris into the same ocular blue pattern as The Illusive Man. His flesh becomes bluish gray and underneath it you can see circuitry like that we saw on The Illusive Man a few minutes earlier. Afterwards, Shepard is disintegrated and the electromagnetic field collapses back into the prongs.

Note: The control prongs may perform the function of an Arca Monolith device, rapidly converting a subject into an reaper tool, before rewriting the current Catalyst personality. The portrayal in the game is identical to the artistic rendition in the comic Mass Effect: Evolution (i.e. lightning looking energy zapping the subject).

*snip*

3: Shepard becomes another reaper mind, distinct from the Catalyst AI. Recall the Geth's commentary on the nature of the Reapers' synthetic intelligence. The reason I bring this up is to show that it affectively describes what supposedly happens to Shepard and is inferred to be what happens to the humans who are processed. Why should we expect Shepard's transformation from organic to synthetic be any different? That is, why should we expect him to not become just like everyone else before him: a reaper.

The Twilight God wrote...

During the conversation on the Citadel with The Illusive Man, Shepard can say, "Then open the arms, let the Crucible dock, and use it to end this."
The Illusive Man 's reply to this is, "I... I will."

The entire narration by the Shepard AI in the epilogue amounts to "I will do this and that", not "I have done this and that".

Shepard then goads The Illusive man shouting, "Do it!"
The Illusive Man reacts by saying, " I... know it will work."
Shepard continues to taunt him with, "You can't can you? They won't let you do it."
The Illusive Man protests, "No, I'm in control. No one is telling me what to do."


The Shepard AI is convinced that it is in control.

The Illusive Man continues his protests, "No. No! The two of you, so self-righteous. Do you think power like this comes easy? There are sacrifices..."

Apparently, Control supporters think it is easy.

Shepard: You sacrificed too much.
TIM: Shepard: I... I only wanted to protect humanity. The Crucible can control them. I know it can. I just...

Yes, and the Shepard AI also wants to protect humanity. But can it?

The Twilight God wrote...

Eternal. Infinite. Immortal.
The man I was used these words, but only now do I truly understand them.
Through his death, I was created. Through my birth, his thoughts are freed. They guide me now, give me reason, direction.
There is power in control. There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemy.

Here I'll end it with Shepard reiterating The Illusive Man's reaper induced views about controlling them. Not unsurprising that now he "understands" after his interaction with the reaper device. His "understanding" appears nothing more than the same erroneous self image we've seen before from the likes of Sovereign and Harbinger.

Created, and yet infinite? Simply multi-present and yet infinite? Immortal and yet killable? If he understands these words, why do they betray him?

Reapers are not infinite. Not individually or collectively. They have a beginning and they have all the time in the universe to find an end. Ask Sovereign. It made the same assumption about itself before it was destroyed.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 29 août 2012 - 03:34 .

[demersel]

halbert986 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Wow. Just WOW! Just finished Leviathan DLC - IT is 95 % confirmed for me. Guys it is going ot be AWESOME!

please enlighten me because I've just about lost all hope.

They seem hell-bent on beating this man vs machine crap to death with a garden hose. And Leviathan exists outside of all possible routes to IT.

Yes I thought they hinted very strongly at similar scenes to the ending and provided altered states of consciousness as common occurrences. But even if IT happens, we're still stuck with this god-awful motivation for the reapers.

We don't know their motivations yet.  We just know what the leviathans think their motivation might be. And they BIG STUPID CRABS )) It might have started this way, but then it could have evolved - which is strongly hinted at. 

And also. For those who still say that the catalyst is real.... Ok, the AI that the leviathan spoke is real. - And it's Harbinger - the ending is Harbinger going all leviathan on your ass. (it was clearly shown. They even added the snow-like things, same angles, and constant change of the speaking person - so everyone would understand)

[Jaze55]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

@MassEffect555.

Your goal is to stop the reapers by killing them off. You cant compromise with them nor can you seek to use them. You must kill them.

Destroy is seen as the best choice with this theory because you are not allowing yourself to be swayed by the reapers. You're not allowing yourself to be tricked into falling in line with their goals.

The reapers know you cant control them. You have no reason to believe you can other than this supposed reaper AI telling you you can. Literal or IT, you have no reason to believe you can control the reapers. In fact everyone whose ever believed they could control or otherwise use the reapers have been indoctrinated.

Synthesis makes it a bit clearer that the reapers' suggestions are pushing you towards aligning yourself with their goals. The catalyst says synthesis will basically meld organic and synthetic dna into a new dna creating a hybrid life for all. He claims that is the pinnacle of evolution. What are reapers? A synthetic and organic hybrid lifeform. The genetic material of an entire race is used to form a reaper. What do reapers already consider themselves? The pinnacle of evolution. Picking synthesis is basically agreeing with what the reapers already do: Turning the most genetically viable races into building material to construct more reapers.

What makes destroy so popular is two things. You are seeing through the lies and sticking to your goals. You are also treated to the famous breath scene. The breath scene remains a strong piece of evidence partially because of how utterly impossible it is for Shepard to survive anywhere on the citadel after such a devastating blast, let alone that explosion in addition to atmospheric reentry.

Once you sit back and question the catalyst's questionable logic it becomes clear what the reapers are trying to do to you. The catalyst has a clear bias against destroy and clearly favors either control or, even better, synthesis.

First of all, sorry I couldnt help myself w/ the RGB \\

I am answering by color

Black first:

I think I confused myself with the ending thing "the reaper threat has been ended" I think it was destroy them not stop them so I mispoke about that part. 

Now that Levi is out and I played it, to me, it seems the Reapers and nothing more then a tool. A tool that is run by another tool, the catalyst. They are nothing more then the blender in my kitchen. It only does what it was programmed and made to do. They are nothing now. Nothing more then machines created by the catalyst as a tool for it's purpose. Everything is soley on the Leviathons. THEY created the Catalyst. The Catalyst did exactly what it was created to do, and continues to do what it was created to do. The Catalyst is neither good nor evil. It's just doing exactly what it was made to do. You can't fault it for that. It's bound by its programming. It went out and gathered data, and with that data came up with this -stupid - solution. Also the DLC made it seem the Reapers are all machine, which completely goes against ME2 but lets not get into that. Synthesis does not make a Reaper at all, it basically makes people and android. And frankly we are halfway there today in the real world which is why I didnt see it as being evil or disgusting. Now if we were made into a Reaper, yeah thats terrible, but we were not. 

I have NO idea why the put the breath scene in destroy other then thats the only one where you are not vaporized. Hard to show that scene when you have no body right? This is hard for me because I just cant fathom a machine ever becoming "alive" in the real world, but in the game where I DID have an emotional attachment to the characters it seemed very wrong to me to wipe out Edi and the Geth. That seems more wrong, to me, then forcing evolution. Forced evolution is part or Earths history anyway so again, to me, it didn't seem to bad. 

OK so I agree and disagree at the same time. Obviously the catalyst has become aware in the game. It knows what its doing and gets angry if you pick refuse. It shows emotion so we can assume this. Edi and the Geth dont want to die either so him not liking destroy makes sense to me. It doesnt want to "die". But remember it is nothing more then an AI that was created to do something. It HAS to do what it was created to do, that's it's purpose. I don't know how feasable it is to say it is lying or trying to trick Shepard when all it wants to to accomplish what it was created to do. 

What I am saying is I don't think ANY of the endings are "wrong". As I said I have yet to pick controll because it rubs me, personally, the wrong way. Do I think its a "wrong" ending? No, not at all. It's wrong for me yes, but that doesnt mean its wrong for everyone. I appreciate that to you destroy is the only ending. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that because to you, it IS the right ending. I can see how you or others might think synthesis is terrible just the same way as I think controll is terrible. What I DO like is hearing the varying responses to these questions because something might change my view about something. 

This DLC throws a wrench in everything. I am playing it again now so I might be wrong but to me I got the impression the reapers are nothing more then a machine. I know it states in ME1 and especially 2 they are a hybrind but let me play the DLC again before I make a definitive statement about how its mentioned they are just machines controlled by the Catalyst. 

EDIT - my colors arent sticking so I answered in order. I had everything color schemed but it wont stay for some reason, sorry. 

Modifié par MassEffected555, 29 août 2012 - 03:37 .

[byne]

MassEffected555, didnt you say the day before the EC came out that when the EC came out, you were gonna reveal something about who I really was or something?

What happened with that?

[demersel]

byne wrote...

Of course I got huskhead! He's the best!

Really? What does he do? 

[byne]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

Of course I got huskhead! He's the best!

Really? What does he do? 

Nothing really, he just gets put in your cabin and does his little scream when you interact with him.

[Jaze55]

byne wrote...

MassEffected555, didnt you say the day before the EC came out that when the EC came out, you were gonna reveal something about who I really was or something?

What happened with that?

I was gonna joke and call you a master troll but you figured it out so I let it go. Nothing special. 

OHH lol wait I'm sorry I just remembered. I googled your name to see what  "byne" was and it came up in the Urban Dictionary that's why. Look it up and you can see what I mean. It was just a joke because of that, I really didn't intend it at first. Just wanted to know what Byne was and I found that Urban Dictionary by mistake and thought it was kind of funny at the time. 

[Big_Boss9]

demersel wrote...

halbert986 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Wow. Just WOW! Just finished Leviathan DLC - IT is 95 % confirmed for me. Guys it is going ot be AWESOME!

please enlighten me because I've just about lost all hope.

They seem hell-bent on beating this man vs machine crap to death with a garden hose. And Leviathan exists outside of all possible routes to IT.

Yes I thought they hinted very strongly at similar scenes to the ending and provided altered states of consciousness as common occurrences. But even if IT happens, we're still stuck with this god-awful motivation for the reapers.

We don't know their motivations yet.  We just know what the leviathans think their motivation might be. And they BIG STUPID CRABS )) It might have started this way, but then it could have evolved - which is strongly hinted at. 

And also. For those who still say that the catalyst is real.... Ok, the AI that the leviathan spoke is real. - And it's Harbinger - the ending is Harbinger going all leviathan on your ass. (it was clearly shown. They even added the snow-like things, same angles, and constant change of the speaking person - so everyone would understand)

Er no, Leviathan was clear that the "Intelligence" was a separate entity from Harbinger and that it had created Harbinger, the first Reaper, by harvesting them. Whether we actually see that "Intelligence" in the ending is, of course, unclear.

[demersel]

byne wrote...

Nothing really, he just gets put in your cabin and does his little scream when you interact with him.

And more importanly - What's his name? )))

[Dwailing]

Hey Byne, I had a thought about the husk head. Doesn't it look more like the head of a huskified Cerberus trooper than the head of a regular husk? If so, it's actually very creepy.

[Auralius Carolus]

byne wrote...

MassEffected555, didnt you say the day before the EC came out that when the EC came out, you were gonna reveal something about who I really was or something?

What happened with that?

I thought we figured that out a long time ago...

[Big_Boss9]

Dwailing wrote...

Hey Byne, I had a thought about the husk head. Doesn't it look more like the head of a huskified Cerberus trooper than the head of a regular husk? If so, it's actually very creepy.

I can't stop clicking it. I may be indoctrinated.

[byne]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

Nothing really, he just gets put in your cabin and does his little scream when you interact with him.

And more importanly - What's his name? )))

Huskhead.

[demersel]

Guys Guys! It was sooo awesome!! Did you dig the pictures?? Pure win!! Man they even had the dream picture there twice - so it would REALLY sink in. And so it is hard to miss. Oh man so much win there in that DLC.

[byne]

MassEffected555 wrote...

byne wrote...

MassEffected555, didnt you say the day before the EC came out that when the EC came out, you were gonna reveal something about who I really was or something?

What happened with that?

I was gonna joke and call you a master troll but you figured it out so I let it go. Nothing special. 

OHH lol wait I'm sorry I just remembered. I googled your name to see what  "byne" was and it came up in the Urban Dictionary that's why. Look it up and you can see what I mean. It was just a joke because of that, I really didn't intend it at first. Just wanted to know what Byne was and I found that Urban Dictionary by mistake and thought it was kind of funny at the time. 

Oh, ok. I was always wondering what you were actually going to say.

[lex0r11]

So, what's up guys? I finished the DLC+destroy endgame. Interesting.

Should I read the last 20 pages?

[byne]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey Byne, I had a thought about the husk head. Doesn't it look more like the head of a huskified Cerberus trooper than the head of a regular husk? If so, it's actually very creepy.

I can't stop clicking it. I may be indoctrinated.

If you click it too much while it is still in the lab it will explode.

[byne]

lex0r11 wrote...

So, what's up guys? I finished the DLC+destroy endgame. Interesting.

Should I read the last 20 pages?

Did you get the pet huskhead?

And probably, yeah.

[demersel]

lex0r11 wrote...

So, what's up guys? I finished the DLC+destroy endgame. Interesting.

Should I read the last 20 pages?

Lex, how does it change the endgame?

[Jaze55]

byne wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey Byne, I had a thought about the husk head. Doesn't it look more like the head of a huskified Cerberus trooper than the head of a regular husk? If so, it's actually very creepy.

I can't stop clicking it. I may be indoctrinated.

If you click it too much while it is still in the lab it will explode.

lol I was just gonna ask if anyone else made it explode. Took me by suprise there when it happened, I thought I broke something important. 

[masster blaster]

I called my huskhead Kai Leng because that's where he would be after my Paragon Shepard killed him after the Cerberus final mission.

[lex0r11]

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

So, what's up guys? I finished the DLC+destroy endgame. Interesting.

Should I read the last 20 pages?

Did you get the pet huskhead?

And probably, yeah.

Who wouldn't do that? It's too late to be concerned about possible indoctrination devices anyway.

*huskhead screaming from the back of the room*

Yeah yeah, shut up.

[demersel]

I didn't take, just left it there in the lab... on purpose. But now i'm sad about it.

[Auralius Carolus]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

Nothing really, he just gets put in your cabin and does his little scream when you interact with him.

And more importanly - What's his name? )))

Put it in a jar and call it Nixon.