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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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demersel wrote...

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There is not a single fact, much less "all other facts", that point to anything being a dream.


But that is why it is so awesome in the first place!    Hell, one of the most favourite movies by the internet people nowdays is Inception - and it all about dreams and being inside of them. That showes how awesome this concept from the point of story telling.

P.S. - Oh, go away, will you? You have your own thread - go play there - you don't see US coming to YOUR thread, spoiling your day, do you.

Also, you coming here constantly shows, that for some reason you value our opinion and wish to share your thoughts with us. 

We love you too! <3

But not in that way.

And not that much. 


As I said to Hrothdane:

"By no means would I say it cannot be a dream. If they announced that ME4 would pick up where the breath scene leaves and let's say the actual Crucible turned into a Matrix Architect scenario I wouldn't be mad at all. Shepard becomes The One and he's given even worst choices and refuse is the only way to go. Then the war rages on. To some degree it would be good that there isn't any concrete evidence. If you're dreaming, can you fathom that you are dreaming? If the intent to for the player to experience what Shepard experiences they cannot leave any hard evidence.

Still, the possibility will not convince me of a reality; Only ME4."


And calm down. There is no reason to get butthurt at somebody because they won't agree with you about a video game.

Note to self: Don't reply to anything demersel posts.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 29 août 2012 - 03:48 .


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How do you get the huskhead?

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

Nothing really, he just gets put in your cabin and does his little scream when you interact with him.


And more importanly - What's his name? )))


Put it in a jar and call it Nixon.


Or Ted (Williams. Last guy to hit over .400... please tell me someone knows who I am talking about lol http://www.cbsnews.c...162-533849.html )

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Lokanaiya wrote...

How do you get the huskhead?

Keep talking to Vega until he suggests you take it, then you can click on it and "confiscate it". :lol:

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 29 août 2012 - 03:48 .


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Guys it was so awesome! Did you notice how casual and laid back was shepard about having A PIECE OF SOVEREIGN right in the middle of your living room? As opposed to "AND YOU JUST LEFT IT HERE? Kenson, this is not good...." . And also did you notice that the first time you visit the lab - it's inactive, but the second time it shoot's electricity all over the place! Man, so much win.

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

How do you get the huskhead?

Keep talking to Vega until he suggests you take it, then you can click on it and "confiscate it". :lol:


Ah.

i have a feeling i'm going to be playing through Leviathan again very soon. :lol:

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demersel wrote...

Guys it was so awesome! Did you notice how casual and laid back was shepard about having A PIECE OF SOVEREIGN right in the middle of your living room? As opposed to "AND YOU JUST LEFT IT HERE? Kenson, this is not good...." . And also did you notice that the first time you visit the lab - it's inactive, but the second time it shoot's electricity all over the place! Man, so much win.


Umm dude, just stated the DLC again and hate to break it to you but that piece of Sovy is, in fact, shooting electricity the very first time you see it. 

Man, so much fail! J/K! :kissing:;)


Edit - wait, I am pretty dam sure my first play thru when I looked at it it said .... blah blah so hows that working out for you... doesnt it? It just said "Sovy. I hope they have that thing shielded". 

Am I remembering that line wrong? Pretty dam sure it said the blah blah blah hows that working out for you though the first time I played. I played Para male Shep, now I am on Renagade Femshep though if that makes a difference. 

Modifié par MassEffected555, 29 août 2012 - 04:04 .


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Who wouldn't do that? It's too late to be concerned about possible indoctrination devices anyway.

*huskhead screaming from the back of the room*

Yeah yeah, shut up.


So there you are, Commander Shepard, about to enjoy some "personal" time with your love interest... but you notice it's staring at you. You stealthfully push the head behind some files, but it still peeks through. You try to ignore it- hoping that your love doesn't take note of the disgusting trophy- and things go well for the first little while. Eventually, you find yourself so taken in the moment, that you forget all about that "thing" looking over your shoulder, (and other possible body parts). As time passes by, the activity in the cabin heats up and then, right before you...

Argh! Argh! Argh!

And there is goes. :pinched:

Like a tall card pyramid that collapses as the last pieces are put in place, you find all your hard work dashed, as the feeling vanishes, because Husk Head has begun barking like a derange mutant squirrel and completely startled both you and yours.

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demersel wrote...

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And they BIG STUPID CRABS



This DLC makes my poster even more relevant.


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I still can't get over that zoom in on the eyes when Shepard asks what it knows about the crucible. It looks mournful, saddened. It's really... Odd.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


Who wouldn't do that? It's too late to be concerned about possible indoctrination devices anyway.

*huskhead screaming from the back of the room*

Yeah yeah, shut up.


So there you are, Commander Shepard, about to enjoy some "personal" time with your love interest... but you notice it's staring at you. You stealthfully push the head behind some files, but it still peeks through. You try to ignore it- hoping that your love doesn't take note of the disgusting trophy- and things go well for the first little while. Eventually, you find yourself so taken in the moment, that you forget all about that "thing" looking over your shoulder, (and other possible body parts). As time passes by, the activity in the cabin heats up and then, right before you...

Argh! Argh! Argh!

And there is goes. :pinched:

Like a tall card pyramid that collapses as the last pieces are put in place, you find all your hard work dashed, as the feeling vanishes, because Husk Head has begun barking like a derange mutant squirrel and completely startled both you and yours.





Someone get me a Huskhead screenshot! ASAP!

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Auralius Carolus wrote...


So there you are, Commander Shepard, about to enjoy some "personal" time with your love interest... but you notice it's staring at you. You stealthfully push the head behind some files, but it still peeks through. You try to ignore it- hoping that your love doesn't take note of the disgusting trophy- and things go well for the first little while. Eventually, you find yourself so taken in the moment, that you forget all about that "thing" looking over your shoulder, (and other possible body parts). As time passes by, the activity in the cabin heats up and then, right before you...

Argh! Argh! Argh!

And there is goes. :pinched:

Like a tall card pyramid that collapses as the last pieces are put in place, you find all your hard work dashed, as the feeling vanishes, because Husk Head has begun barking like a derange mutant squirrel and completely startled both you and yours.


I want to gather parts from other husks, and eventually build an entire HuskMan.

And we will be best friends.

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Just took a shower with EDI. Go to the Bathroom in Bryson's Lab. It's not like Femshep and Traynor so don't get excited lol.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 29 août 2012 - 04:10 .


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MassEffected555 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Guys it was so awesome! Did you notice how casual and laid back was shepard about having A PIECE OF SOVEREIGN right in the middle of your living room? As opposed to "AND YOU JUST LEFT IT HERE? Kenson, this is not good...." . And also did you notice that the first time you visit the lab - it's inactive, but the second time it shoot's electricity all over the place! Man, so much win.


Umm dude, just stated the DLC again and hate to break it to you but that piece of Sovy is, in fact, shooting electricity the very first time you see it. 

Man, so much fail! J/K! :kissing:;)


Edit - wait, I am pretty dam sure my first play thru when I looked at it it said .... blah blah so hows that working out for you... doesnt it? It just said "Sovy. I hope they have that thing shielded". 

Am I remembering that line wrong? Pretty dam sure it said the blah blah blah hows that working out for you though the first time I played. I played Para male Shep, now I am on Renagade Femshep though if that makes a difference. 


He did say that the first time!

And i'm pretty sure that it wasn't shooting electricity the first time, cause i really paid attention. But maybe i missed it. what ever - THE THING IS SHOOTING ELECTRICITY ALL OVER THE PLACE! 

Modifié par demersel, 29 août 2012 - 04:12 .


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Leviathan:
"The Intelligence has one purpose: preservation of life. That purpose has not been fulfilled.
It directed the Reapers to create the mass relays--to speed the time between cycles for greatest efficiency.
The galaxy itself became an experiment. Evolution its tool."

Shepard:
"Will it ever end?"

Leviathan:
"Unknown. Until the Intelligence finds what it is looking for, the cycle will continue."


Leviathan said itself that the starchild is not preserving life. It's looking for something, collecting data... Looks like more DLC will be needed to fill in the picture which is not unexpected.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Just took a shower with EDI. Go to the Bathroom in Bryson's Lab. It's not like Femshep and Traynor so don't get excited lol.



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demersel wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Guys it was so awesome! Did you notice how casual and laid back was shepard about having A PIECE OF SOVEREIGN right in the middle of your living room? As opposed to "AND YOU JUST LEFT IT HERE? Kenson, this is not good...." . And also did you notice that the first time you visit the lab - it's inactive, but the second time it shoot's electricity all over the place! Man, so much win.


Umm dude, just stated the DLC again and hate to break it to you but that piece of Sovy is, in fact, shooting electricity the very first time you see it. 

Man, so much fail! J/K! :kissing:;)


Edit - wait, I am pretty dam sure my first play thru when I looked at it it said .... blah blah so hows that working out for you... doesnt it? It just said "Sovy. I hope they have that thing shielded". 

Am I remembering that line wrong? Pretty dam sure it said the blah blah blah hows that working out for you though the first time I played. I played Para male Shep, now I am on Renagade Femshep though if that makes a difference. 


He did say that the first time!

And i'm pretty sure that it wasn't shooting electricity the first time, cause i really paid attention. But maybe i missed it. what ever - THE THING IS SHOOTING ELECTRICITY ALL OVER THE PLACE! 


Which line, the "blah blah hows that working out for you", or, "Sovy I hope its shielded"? I didnt get the blah blah hows that working out for you line this time at all. Everything else was the same.

I'll check if there is MORE electric shooting when I go back, maybe there is more. Just I know the first time it is shooting some. 

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MassEffected555 wrote...

Which line, the "blah blah hows that working out for you", or, "Sovy I hope its shielded"? I didnt get the blah blah hows that working out for you line this time at all. Everything else was the same.

I'll check if there is MORE electric shooting when I go back, maybe there is more. Just I know the first time it is shooting some. 


Shepard said 'Vanguard of our destruction. Hows that working out for you, big guy?' for me.

I remember because it made me laugh.

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Gwyphon wrote...

Leviathan:
"The Intelligence has one purpose: preservation of life. That purpose has not been fulfilled.
It directed the Reapers to create the mass relays--to speed the time between cycles for greatest efficiency.
The galaxy itself became an experiment. Evolution its tool."

Shepard:
"Will it ever end?"

Leviathan:
"Unknown. Until the Intelligence finds what it is looking for, the cycle will continue."


Leviathan said itself that the starchild is not preserving life. It's looking for something, collecting data... Looks like more DLC will be needed to fill in the picture which is not unexpected.


HMMMMMMMMMMMM. Has any other human ever been revived- dont want to say resurrected - like Shepard has with half tech? Maybe THATS what its talking about. Shepard is the first person to "synthesize" which is why that opens the synthesis option to the Catalyst? Is that what its looking for? Who knows

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byne wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Which line, the "blah blah hows that working out for you", or, "Sovy I hope its shielded"? I didnt get the blah blah hows that working out for you line this time at all. Everything else was the same.

I'll check if there is MORE electric shooting when I go back, maybe there is more. Just I know the first time it is shooting some. 


Shepard said 'Vanguard of our destruction. Hows that working out for you, big guy?' for me.

I remember because it made me laugh.


Yeah it did for me on the paragon male shep. Just now on my Renagade Femshep I did not get that line. Just "Sovy, I hope they have that thing shielded" BOO! that was a great line. 

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MassEffected555 wrote...

Which line, the "blah blah hows that working out for you", or, "Sovy I hope its shielded"? I didnt get the blah blah hows that working out for you line this time at all. Everything else was the same.

I'll check if there is MORE electric shooting when I go back, maybe there is more. Just I know the first time it is shooting some. 


The first one - "Ahh, Sovereign... the vanguard of our destruction... how's that working out for ya?"  It was the the first time. I heard it, you heard it. The second time it isn't there - now that's 100% proof that SOMETHING is up.  

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demersel wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Which line, the "blah blah hows that working out for you", or, "Sovy I hope its shielded"? I didnt get the blah blah hows that working out for you line this time at all. Everything else was the same.

I'll check if there is MORE electric shooting when I go back, maybe there is more. Just I know the first time it is shooting some. 


The first one - "Ahh, Sovereign... the vanguard of our destruction... how's that working out for ya?"  It was the the first time. I heard it, you heard it. The second time it isn't there - now that's 100% proof that SOMETHING is up.  


Could just be a paragon/renegade thing.

Renegades arent known for their love of fun. They're just wet-blankets.

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byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Which line, the "blah blah hows that working out for you", or, "Sovy I hope its shielded"? I didnt get the blah blah hows that working out for you line this time at all. Everything else was the same.

I'll check if there is MORE electric shooting when I go back, maybe there is more. Just I know the first time it is shooting some. 


The first one - "Ahh, Sovereign... the vanguard of our destruction... how's that working out for ya?"  It was the the first time. I heard it, you heard it. The second time it isn't there - now that's 100% proof that SOMETHING is up.  


Could just be a paragon/renegade thing.

Renegades arent known for their love of fun. They're just wet-blankets.


Yes. Could be. Could also be maleshep\\femshep thing.    I  was male, and i thing the game considers me paragon over all. So there you go.  But still! The thing is THERE! in the plain sight! And the paintings on the wall! On of them reminded me of Virmire, for some reason - i look at it and i see Virmire. There is also a picture from a dream with trees...two of them, one in the bedroom, one in the bathroom.... and the thing is that the reapers tracked down leviathan THROUGH shepard, after Bryson was shot. - that was a thing of beauty! 

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MassEffected555 wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Leviathan:
"The Intelligence has one purpose: preservation of life. That purpose has not been fulfilled.
It directed the Reapers to create the mass relays--to speed the time between cycles for greatest efficiency.
The galaxy itself became an experiment. Evolution its tool."

Shepard:
"Will it ever end?"

Leviathan:
"Unknown. Until the Intelligence finds what it is looking for, the cycle will continue."


Leviathan said itself that the starchild is not preserving life. It's looking for something, collecting data... Looks like more DLC will be needed to fill in the picture which is not unexpected.


HMMMMMMMMMMMM. Has any other human ever been revived- dont want to say resurrected - like Shepard has with half tech? Maybe THATS what its talking about. Shepard is the first person to "synthesize" which is why that opens the synthesis option to the Catalyst? Is that what its looking for? Who knows


oo good point.
I remember leviathan says something like "you're different. No matter, it is not enough" or something along those lines.

Come to think of it, Leviathan says "you're mind belongs to me".
What if Shepard ends up being a pawn of the Leviathan's to fight the reapers. Would be... Out there. :P

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Looking at the wording of the mind-conversation at the end of the DLC, it doesn't rule out the intelligence they created as *being Harbinger himself*. In fact, it could be interpreted as Harbinger being a stand-alone intelligence, that THEN formed its Reaper-ness from the Leviathan consciousness/population, in order to greatly increase its power.

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL, anyone?

We just don't know exactly HOW it betrayed the Leviathans.