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[Ageless Face]

RavenEyry wrote...
Note Shepard doesn't just say it's not possible.
TIM: But what if I can?
Shep: We're not ready.

"We're not ready", I'd imagine talks about a human being. Organic. Of course organic can't control, they'll become like TIM. But a non organic though... that's something else. And Shepard turned into that in control. An AI with the the previous Shepard's memories and prefrences. So "We're not ready" doesn't really apply here. In my opinon, at least.

[MaximizedAction]

jgibson14352 wrote...

https://www.twitter....755619089551360

Anybody else seen this? Can't wait

[Lord Goose]

Sureokaywhatever. I've picked renegade options, therefore I don't think synthetics are alive. Great logic.

No, I am talking about "full" Renegade (basically, Shepard who did 90% of renegade actions/options). I recently completed my Renegade playthrougth, and where is an intresting conversation on the Normandy when Priority: Tuchanka is unlocked.

*Legion demonstrates how geth will function with Reaper upgrades*

Raan: That's a fully evolved AI.
Legion: Yes. We do not agree with goals of the Old Machines. But we find this growth... beautiful. Indicative of life.
Shepard (Renegade option "No"): Sure, they are more complex. But saying they are alive... ?
Legion: They have evolved.
Shepard: They were upgraded.
Legion: And they will die for it.
Admiral Raan: They allied with the Reapers.
Legion: To save themselves from you.
Shepard: Whatever the cost, they allied with the Reapers.
LegionL Shepard Commander, we worked with you...
Shepard (Renegade interruption): And I appreciate that. But the geth are not alive. They are machines. Machines hacked by the Reapers and they need to be shut down.

Also, if full Renegade supports Quarians attack on Rannoch and actually trying to wipe out geth. It is only after Legion promises war support option to broker peace is availible (in short, after Reaper on Rannoch is dead, where would be only two options "let the geth die" and ''let Legion upload the code". If you choose "let the geth die" Legion will promise his support to take Earth back, and only after what it will become possible to broker peace.

My point is what potential side-effects of Destroy are more significant for Paragon, rather than Renegade.

[TSA_383]

jgibson14352 wrote...

https://www.twitter....755619089551360

Anybody else seen this? Can't wait

Let me just say, I called it 
1PM PDT is what, 9PM GMT, or 8PM? I forget where we are with daylight savings etc...

[BansheeOwnage]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 Seeing how this thread made three times, I have to ask: would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

There is no false ending. The ending we have is the ending. It's just that there is a detail or a perspective that we are missing in the ending. IT is that perspective/interpretation of the ending as it is. We are just waiting to see if that perspective is correct. Like in Blade Runner. The perspective that he is a replicant. That perspective was missing until the creator released the truth. (Even the producers of ME related the ending to the Blade Runner replicant truth.)

We got an ending that was poorly written and allowed mutliple theories other than the IT to be developed. Everyone got mad about the lack of closure/plot holes and we waited for a response from Bioware, and they announced the ec dlc which would not add any new endings, just expand on the current one. Believing in the IT is pretending that the original ending was more than poor writing. It wasn't.

I'll repeat what many have said: It basically boils down to whether or not you like Bioware/believe they could write something as awesome as IT.
IT: BW are great writers, they've demonstrated that countless times, it doesn't make any sense for them to drop the ball like this in the most important part of the trilogy. Especially when you consider the new DLC already looks awesome.
Literalist: (Catalyst logic) BW obviously suck at writing because the endings are bad (the created will always rebel against their creator because that's what I did).

TL;DR ITers believe BW doesn't suck, literalists believe BW sucks. Simple.

[ShepnTali]

No twitter. Share twit please?

[MaximizedAction]

TSA_383 wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

https://www.twitter....755619089551360

Anybody else seen this? Can't wait

Let me just say, I called it 
1PM PDT is what, 9PM GMT, or 8PM? I forget where we are with daylight savings etc...

9pm GMT

[TSA_383]

ShepnTali wrote...

No twitter. Share twit please?

http://uk.ign.com/ar...r-showcase-live 
"
IGN is showing the EA Summer Showcase tomorrow, Thurs at 1pm PDT. Mass Effect fans should watch it live. Just sayin'."

Modifié par TSA_383, 01 août 2012 - 08:21 .

[Dwailing]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 Seeing how this thread made three times, I have to ask: would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

There is no false ending. The ending we have is the ending. It's just that there is a detail or a perspective that we are missing in the ending. IT is that perspective/interpretation of the ending as it is. We are just waiting to see if that perspective is correct. Like in Blade Runner. The perspective that he is a replicant. That perspective was missing until the creator released the truth. (Even the producers of ME related the ending to the Blade Runner replicant truth.)

We got an ending that was poorly written and allowed mutliple theories other than the IT to be developed. Everyone got mad about the lack of closure/plot holes and we waited for a response from Bioware, and they announced the ec dlc which would not add any new endings, just expand on the current one. Believing in the IT is pretending that the original ending was more than poor writing. It wasn't. We got the answer of whether or not the perspective of IT is right or wrong from the ec dlc, Bioware won't be adding any new endings as they have said before. 

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end.  

And making the IT in a future dlc would render the ec dlc useless. You're telling me that those slideshows and the epilouge scenes are dreams?

www.youtube.com/watch

Watch that video at that part. You can see how much they have worked to make the ec dlc. Why would Bioware do all of that work, then turn a 180 and say "lol it was all a dream"?

And I've never heard of Bioware relating Blade runner's ending to the "truth" of me's ending. Go get me a link, but it wouldn't really matter as they didn't need to release the ec dlc. Why would any company spend 3 months of time/resources/money making a FREE dlc and then work later to make an ending that makes those 3 months worthless? No company would do that, and no writer would do that. 

The EC did exactly what it was supposed to do.  It quieted the great majority of the haters who refused to do anything other than shout, "ME3's ending is so BAD!  It sucks so MUCH!  I'm going to keep *****ing about it and not speculating because I think it sucks and since I think it sucks and I can't POSSIBLY be wrong it MUST suck!" 

Also, I'm sick and tired of this, "All just a dream," BULL****!  How many times do we have to say this?  IT.  IS.  NOT.  JUST.  A.  DREAM! 

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 août 2012 - 08:25 .

[CoolioThane]

I eat unicorns in a "my opinion is totally correct and you're wrong for definite" shocker.

Just **** off you miserable, arrogant git

[BansheeOwnage]

Lord Goose wrote...

Sureokaywhatever. I've picked renegade options, therefore I don't think synthetics are alive. Great logic.

No, I am talking about "full" Renegade (basically, Shepard who did 90% of renegade actions/options).

Stopped reading here because you missed something important. In conversations, paragon and renegade don't apply as much as decisions, often don't apply at all. Otherwise I would have opinions forced on to my Shepard. Therefore I could do a renegade playthrough, but like synthetics.

[N7L4D]

Though it could also be some ME3 for the wii U -__- lol not that there is anything wrong with that for you nintendo guys no offense

[Dwailing]

HagarIshay wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
Note Shepard doesn't just say it's not possible.
TIM: But what if I can?
Shep: We're not ready.

"We're not ready", I'd imagine talks about a human being. Organic. Of course organic can't control, they'll become like TIM. But a non organic though... that's something else. And Shepard turned into that in control. An AI with the the previous Shepard's memories and prefrences. So "We're not ready" doesn't really apply here. In my opinon, at least.

"We're not ready," refers to whether we SHOULD control the Reapers, not whether we CAN control the Reapers.  There's a big difference.  Have you ever seen Jurassic Park? 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

CoolioThane wrote...

I eat unicorns in a "my opinion is totally correct and you're wrong for definite" shocker.

Just **** off you miserable, arrogant git

No need to get hostile, but mister Unicorn is wrong in the IT not beeing valid.

A thread on this very forum, trying to move IT to fan creations was closed down on grounds of the IT beeing a perfectly valid Interpretation.

Ill try to find the exact quote for him.

[BansheeOwnage]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I eat unicorns in a "my opinion is totally correct and you're wrong for definite" shocker.

Just **** off you miserable, arrogant git

No need to get hostile, but mister Unicorn is wrong in the IT not beeing valid.

A thread on this very forum, trying to move IT to fan creations was closed down on grounds of the IT beeing a perfectly valid Interpretation.

Ill try to find the exact quote for him.

It's in Maximized's sig, I believe.

[Lord Goose]

Therefore I could do a renegade playthrough, but like synthetics.

In that case your character probably would not be "full/true" Renegade.

And my point was, what for those, who have played "full" Renegade, final choice is quite easy.

[Dwailing]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I eat unicorns in a "my opinion is totally correct and you're wrong for definite" shocker.

Just **** off you miserable, arrogant git

No need to get hostile, but mister Unicorn is wrong in the IT not beeing valid.

A thread on this very forum, trying to move IT to fan creations was closed down on grounds of the IT beeing a perfectly valid Interpretation.

Ill try to find the exact quote for him.

Not just a perfectly valid interpretation.  Priestly's exact words, I believe, were that IT is, "A valid possiblity for the end of the game."  Note his usage of the word possiblity rather than interpretation.  An interpretation of the ending is merely one way of looking at it.  There can be many interpretations of the same thing.  A possibility means that it isn't just one way of looking at the ending, but rather actually what could be going on.

Edited to fix the quote.

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 août 2012 - 08:30 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end.  

*Cough*

"The IT thread remains here as it is a valid possibility for the end of the game." - Chris Priestly

[TJBartlemus]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 Seeing how this thread made three times, I have to ask: would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

There is no false ending. The ending we have is the ending. It's just that there is a detail or a perspective that we are missing in the ending. IT is that perspective/interpretation of the ending as it is. We are just waiting to see if that perspective is correct. Like in Blade Runner. The perspective that he is a replicant. That perspective was missing until the creator released the truth. (Even the producers of ME related the ending to the Blade Runner replicant truth.)

We got an ending that was poorly written and allowed mutliple theories other than the IT to be developed. Everyone got mad about the lack of closure/plot holes and we waited for a response from Bioware, and they announced the ec dlc which would not add any new endings, just expand on the current one. Believing in the IT is pretending that the original ending was more than poor writing. It wasn't. We got the answer of whether or not the perspective of IT is right or wrong from the ec dlc, Bioware won't be adding any new endings as they have said before. 

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end.  

And making the IT in a future dlc would render the ec dlc useless. You're telling me that those slideshows and the epilouge scenes are dreams?

www.youtube.com/watch

Watch that video at that part. You can see how much they have worked to make the ec dlc. Why would Bioware do all of that work, then turn a 180 and say "lol it was all a dream"?

And I've never heard of Bioware relating Blade runner's ending to the "truth" of me's ending. Go get me a link, but it wouldn't really matter as they didn't need to release the ec dlc. Why would any company spend 3 months of time/resources/money making a FREE dlc and then work later to make an ending that makes those 3 months worthless? No company would do that, and no writer would do that. 

Sigh* You're missing the point. They DON'T need to release a DLC that proves it. Besides you yourself cannot claim that BioWare did not intend IT to be the valid end. You are not BioWare so you cannot make these claims. Neither am I. That's why it's appropriate to say, "They could have intended ______" or "They possibly didn't intend _____." Also according to IT, the IT works with what is there already. It's an interpretation, and it doesn't change things to make it fit. So no 180. 

Currently looking for link but it was from a while ago.... 

[Dwailing]

N7L4D wrote...

Though it could also be some ME3 for the wii U -__- lol not that there is anything wrong with that for you nintendo guys no offense

Maybe the WiiU version will run at 60 fps instead of 30 like the other consoles (Not the PC though!  We've been running ME3 at 60+ fps since it came out! ).

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 août 2012 - 08:29 .

[ShepnTali]

TSA_383 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

No twitter. Share twit please?

http://uk.ign.com/ar...r-showcase-live 
"
IGN is showing the EA Summer Showcase tomorrow, Thurs at 1pm PDT. Mass Effect fans should watch it live. Just sayin'."

Thank you sir.

[Ageless Face]

Dwailing wrote...
"We're not ready," refers to whether we SHOULD control the Reapers, not whether we CAN control the Reapers.  There's a big difference.  Have you ever seen Jurassic Park? 

That's what I meant, why the "we" applies to organics, not what Shepard turned into in control. We shouldn't control the Reapers if we are organics, since we won't be able hold the power and do some good with it, we'll become power hungry, dominate the galaxy... So yeah, we shouldn't. But as another being, Shepard will be able to do so without being evil. So s/he should control them, because good can come out of it. 

And no, I haven't seen this Jurassic Park thing. I'm gussing it's important?

[TJBartlemus]

ShepnTali wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

No twitter. Share twit please?

http://uk.ign.com/ar...r-showcase-live 
"
IGN is showing the EA Summer Showcase tomorrow, Thurs at 1pm PDT. Mass Effect fans should watch it live. Just sayin'."

Thank you sir.

Actually funny thing is that I don't have twitter either, but it doesn't stop people from looking at peoples tweets.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Dwailing wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

Though it could also be some ME3 for the wii U -__- lol not that there is anything wrong with that for you nintendo guys no offense

Maybe the WiiU version will run at 60 fps instead of 30 like the other consoles (Not the PC though!  We've been running ME3 at 60+ fps since it came out! ).

Guys warn me if you are going to start discussing Nintendo in here. Just a five minute warning for me to get away from the Computer.

It is not that I dont like Nintendo, far from it actually, but if I get started on them (or someone starts me up) ill be derailing this thread into Legend of Zelda faster than you can say "Hey, Listen!" 

[BansheeOwnage]

Lord Goose wrote...

Therefore I could do a renegade playthrough, but like synthetics.

In that case your character probably would not be "full/true" Renegade.

And my point was, what for those, who have played "full" Renegade, final choice is quite easy.

You missed my point completely. I'm so f***ing surprised.