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[Gwyphon]

Any notable things about the Leviathan I have missed in the last 10 hours? There are so many quote pyramids to go through...

[SML93]

reaper = organic synthetic

[MegumiAzusa]

leonia42 wrote...

Don't think I can wait 3 to 6 months for the next DLC, feels like I'm on an IV drip of clues here and no idea what mystery the clues go with.

I need the truth. Like yesterday.

Speaking of organics, was cool to see the thorian mentioned again. Do you think that is what was being cross-bred with the plants on the mining station?

I guess, but why would the Leviathans try to breed a new Thorian?

[Rifneno]

SML93 wrote...

reaper = organic synthetic

They're made that way, but from appearances they seem to be purely synthetic when they're finished.  Even the idiot council couldn't deny what Sovereign was if his wreckage was obviously partially organic.  So if a dreadnought appears organic, I'd say it's a Leviathan.

[Leonia]

Plants are more subtle than shiny artefacts, maybe it was a contigency plan for if/when the artefacts were discovered to be dangerous. Just throwing out crazy ideas.

[SML93]

Rifneno wrote...

SML93 wrote...

reaper = organic synthetic

They're made that way, but from appearances they seem to be purely synthetic when they're finished.  Even the idiot council couldn't deny what Sovereign was if his wreckage was obviously partially organic.  So if a dreadnought appears organic, I'd say it's a Leviathan.

ok havent been here long and the dlc is still fresh in my mind just trying to add stuff to the conversation.
so was the leviathan corpse old or did it die recently, because i would think a fully organis anything would decompose soon after death.

Modifié par SML93, 29 août 2012 - 02:16 .

[MegumiAzusa]

leonia42 wrote...

Plants are more subtle than shiny artefacts, maybe it was a contigency plan for if/when the artefacts were discovered to be dangerous. Just throwing out crazy ideas.

I still ask myself what happened to the shiny orb that sat on my table for all of ME2 ^^

[Rifneno]

SML93 wrote...

ok havent been here long and the dlc is still fresh in my mind just trying to add stuff to the conversation.
so was the leviathan corpse old or did it die recently, because i would think a fully organis anything would decompose soon after death.

Welcome to the thread then.  
They never told us when it died, just that it was dated at nearly a billion years old.  As for decomposing, it would only decompose if Jartar has micro-organisms that cause decay.  Decomposition doesn't happen by itself, it happens because microscopic life forms are feeding off the body.

[ivenoidea]

Just look a post up.

Modifié par ivenoidea, 29 août 2012 - 02:41 .

[CoolioThane]

Jartar is a planet though

[Leonia]

Right and planets have lifeforms, sometimes, such as microscopic decomposers. More than likely there was a bit of writer's oversight involved in why LOD didn't decay over time. Or maybe it did but it's not mentioned.

Modifié par leonia42, 29 août 2012 - 02:44 .

[CoolioThane]

leonia42 wrote...

Right and planets have lifeforms, sometimes, such as microscopic decomposers. More than likely there was a bit of writer's oversight involved in why LOD didn't decay over time. Or maybe it did but it's not mentioned.

This

[RavenEyry]

leonia42 wrote...

Right and planets have lifeforms, sometimes, such as microscopic decomposers. More than likely there was a bit of writer's oversight involved in why LOD didn't decay over time. Or maybe it did but it's not mentioned.

Dead reapers indoctrinate so maybe dead leviathans do to. An army of brainwashed insects and microorganisms were defending the corpse!

[demersel]

Guys, a though! During the final battle of the leviathan - there lots of those orblike artifacts around the map - And you can break them. In the cinematic it is shown that leviathan uses them do defeat the reaper and take control of the brute - but what happens if you take your time and destroy ALL of them? What happens if you shoot very single orb thet is there on this map?

Modifié par demersel, 29 août 2012 - 03:07 .

[StElmo]

Why do people keep talking about the thorian? did I forget something about that thing?

[demersel]

CoolioThane wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I'm kinda religious

The Temptation of Christ is kinda fitting with the ending of MassEffect 3:

1. Stones into bread
2. Tower
3. Mountain

One could easily say that the Citadel is akin to Jerusalem, in that it is the centre of the Universe (world)

1. Right, Satan attempts to tempt Jesus, wondering in the wilderness alone, whilst fasting, to have stones turned into bread to eat. One could say that by doing so Jesus would be going back on his task. His task is to fast 40 days, 40 nights and obviously eating bread means he fails.

You could say this could be linked to Shepard and how his goal has been to destroy the Reapers, but I think the journey of Jesus during this temptation is more akin to the struggles of Shep. I say this because the Desert Jesus is wandering around, between Jerusalem and Jericho I think, which links with the game.

I like this part, kind of a leap, but Jerusalem=Citadel, Jericho (One of the first continuously settled cities in the history of mankind, thus maybe because it's first settlements, Humanity's first settlement is Eart)=Earth. The journey between the Citadel and Earth where this temptation takes place. We are on Earth when we are hit with the beam, we aim to get to the Citadel. Whilst we lie there on Earth unconscious, our mind is still wandering and this is where a link could be possible.

2. As Raven says, Satan tempts Jesus to prove he is the son of God by jumping off this tower in Jerusalem (Citadel). Obvious links to Synthesis here as in the tower. Interestingly, the Citadel tower is supposedly not where we are! Starkid tries to say "Prove you are the hero, do what is needed, prove to me. Synthesis is the only way, do it" is very Satany.

3. The mountain. "Bow down to me and all of this will be yours" Wow, if that is not control, I don't know what the **** is! Starkid says the Reapers will be yours, and with the Reapers you obviously have control over the rest of the Galaxy! Very nice link here. Notice the "act of worship" when you approach the ALTAR of the Reapers and you're bowing down to him when he tells you towake

So yeah, I guess this kind of makes sense?

Yes. Makes total sense. 
Could you be a bit more in depth with your analysis of the stones?  Cause I didn't undertand that part. 
In Islam, during hajj they have a ritual called "stoning of the devil" which may tie into that. 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_the_Devil
The relevant thing here - when you see the Devil - you stone him. 

[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

Guys, a though! During the final battle of the leviathan - there lots of those orblike artifacts around the map - And you can break them. In the cinematic it is shown that leviathan uses them do defeat the reaper and take control of the brute - but what happens if you take your time and destroy ALL of them? What happens if you shoot very single orb thet is there on this map?

Did that, nothing changes.

[demersel]

RavenEyry wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Though topics of religious nature are usually frowned on, as is spam.

I assume it's alright to discuss religious references in the game? As long as we don't argue about religion.

Religion can be a great source for thematic inspiration. It incorporate themes, tropes, a plots that were trialed and refined by thousands of years of collective expirience and they still work like clock - i the sense that they provoke thought, and emotional response. It is only natural for any creator of fiction to draw inspiration in religion's mythology. That was exactly the thing George Lucas did with StarWars - out of all the myths he compiled a story that always works and has audience. 

Modifié par demersel, 29 août 2012 - 03:19 .

[demersel]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Did that, nothing changes.

Are you sure you got all of them? 

[Rifneno]

StElmo wrote...

Why do people keep talking about the thorian? did I forget something about that thing?

That asari you save from it (unless you're a douche and murder her) becomes immune to Reaper indoctrination because of her contact with the Thorian.  Verrrrry significant.

[demersel]

leonia42 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Though topics of religious nature are usually frowned on, as is spam.

I assume it's alright to discuss religious references in the game? As long as we don't argue about religion.

That's fine but Coolio's post goes into a grey area (and didn't need to be reposted as if we couldn't read it the first time). Tell me how the symbolism relates to Shepard. I'm wary of direct comparisons because these sorts of themes are usually meant in an allegorical way, not in a literal "Shepard is definitely Space Jesus" way.

I can answer that. Those stories depict how evil operates, and what you should do when you find yourself in a situation like that. (and also if you are presented with a similiar situation - you'd be able to tell that it is fact Evil trying to seduce you).   it is wrong ot think of it just as Shepard = Jesus.   When you thing about it a little - Jesus is the ultimate "Example Man"  - showing you what to do in different life situations. 
In Islam they even make a codex out of the things that prothet did and said. (and they've written thomes on how to apply it in your everyday life) 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunnah
Check it out - it is very informative. 

[Norlond]

Ok, finished Leviathan, read all pages since p589 and feeling tired very tired now (at 6pm!!!)
Even if it wasn't of LotSB quality it was still pretty good and provided some stuff to speculate on (most of it was already mentioned)

On to my questions:
What's 756°F about?*
Any successfull data mining yet?

*edit* *: checked 756°F, 402.2°C and 675.372 K, no results so far

*edit 2* another thing regarding 'things Chris and Jessica say': Chris himself stated in an interview that, before each interview the community managers are told 'if you get that question, answer this, and if you get that one, answer that!'.
And another statement: He was asked if he gets exited everytime something is revealed to him and he isn't allowed to tell the community. He answered that most of the things that are revealed to him he is allowed to tell the comm.
That means he probably doesn't even know if IT is true or not.

source: interview on gamescom (it's german)

*edit 3* is there a victory message yet btw?

Modifié par Norlond, 29 août 2012 - 03:51 .

[Rifneno]

I wonder how long before we get sigs with a pic of Leviathan and "Cthulhu deserves a better ending"

[demersel]

I thought just accured to me... Leviathans created an AI. To solve their problem. And their problem was as they persieved it - the need of preserving organic life at any cost from the treat of being comepletely wiped out by the synthetics. So they created something, that was going to do that on it's own, without their direct intervention. And what is their way of interventing? mind control/ They have created Indoctrination! they thing that would do the work for them - it would make every organic concerned about this problem by rearrenging their thought pattens! then indoctrinated organics make themselves and the leviathans into harbinger and other reapers.

that fits - the enemy is the indoctrination itself. And in the end of ME3 you fight it! That sounds like an ending to me. Cause if you manage to coquer indoctrination itself, and prevail - that IS the real point of victory. The battle starts and ends with you. And once you've prevailed - it is only a matter of time and patience that you reach total victory. 
Remember - its Shepard's story that ends - and conquering indoctrination is the highest point of it (or the lowest if you succomb)  - the rest is just combat. So naturally you'd fight the harbinger - he can't do anything to you at this point other than shoot you - everything else already failed. And he wasn't exactly good at killing you before. ME2< remember? 

Modifié par demersel, 29 août 2012 - 03:51 .

[EpyonX3]

demersel wrote...

I thought just accured to me... Leviathans created an AI. To solve their problem. And their problem was as they persieved it - the need of preserving organic life at any cost from the treat of being comepletely wiped out by the synthetics. So they created something, that was going to do that on it's own, without their direct intervention. And what is their way of interventing? mind control/ They have created Indoctrination! they thing that would do the work for them - it would make every organic concerned about this problem by rearrenging their thought pattens! then indoctrinated organics make themselves and the leviathans into harbinger and other reapers.

It wasn't their problem. It was the problem of the lesser organics like us. They felt they needed to step in and solve the problem for use. What they didn't expect was that the AI would count them as well in it's calculations for a solution. I can kind of see where the reapers get their arrogance from, especially Harbinger.