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[demersel]

Sero303 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

Except the thorian would have plenty of time to turn into a leviathan is it was the case - he gave me the impression as if he was fully matured and grown, And this is his form for all ethernity.

What do you expect it to say, "don't pick on me I'm a baby"? The Leviathans in this DLC said they're the progeny of the ones that created the AI/Reapers. Progeny means immediate descendant. So these things have a lifespan measured in hundreds of millions or more. The only thing we know of the Thorian's age is that it was there when the Protheans were. So by Leviathan standards, yeah, it's not even toddler age.

I thought Saren wanted the thorian as a means of getting info on the rachni? I could be mistaken though I haven't played the original in a while.

And from Leviathan we know, that it were leviathans who were behind the rachni wars. (makes a lot of sense actually - why would reapers do it twice? Besides we've seen what they do with rachni and how - they make ravagers. So in the ME3 we see actually the first time reapers control rachni.   Makes you thing, what if it was initially the leviathans that made the heretic geths - and sovereing just took advantage of that, by being an imposter.  And then, again the reapers control the geth for real this time, by the technology of project overlord, and this is actually the first time the actually control them. remember in ME1 it is said that the geth believed in higher almighty beings and sovereign just used this belief, but they are merely tools. 

[DJBare]

Just finished watching a Leviathan play through on youtube, I don't know where I.T stands but I can confidently say no sale, the story is spiralling further down the rabbit hole, if this is meant to be some kind of teaser to encourage further DLC purchases then it has failed as far as I am concerned, it's disappointing to say the least to watch an epic series turn into alice in wonderland.

[spotlessvoid]

DJBare wrote...

Just finished watching a Leviathan play through on youtube, I don't know where I.T stands but I can confidently say no sale, the story is spiralling further down the rabbit hole, if this is meant to be some kind of teaser to encourage further DLC purchases then it has failed as far as I am concerned, it's disappointing to say the least to watch an epic series turn into alice in wonderland.

can you elaborate some, not sure exactly what you mean DJBare

[demersel]

DJBare wrote...

Just finished watching a Leviathan play through on youtube, I don't know where I.T stands but I can confidently say no sale, the story is spiralling further down the rabbit hole, if this is meant to be some kind of teaser to encourage further DLC purchases then it has failed as far as I am concerned, it's disappointing to say the least to watch an epic series turn into alice in wonderland.

Alice in Wonderland - was all a dream, remember?   So that's where tha IT stands on this matter. In short - Leviathan DLC 90% proved the IT. 

[Sero303]

demersel wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Just finished watching a Leviathan play through on youtube, I don't know where I.T stands but I can confidently say no sale, the story is spiralling further down the rabbit hole, if this is meant to be some kind of teaser to encourage further DLC purchases then it has failed as far as I am concerned, it's disappointing to say the least to watch an epic series turn into alice in wonderland.

Alice in Wonderland - was all a dream, remember?   So that's where tha IT stands on this matter. In short - Leviathan DLC 90% proved the IT. 

I have my own reasons for believing IT, and why the leviathan DLC reinforces it,... but I don't see the 90%...

[Norlond]

He can't be serious

Chris Priestly on Twitter...

No. We will never confirm or deny indoc theory.

But immediately after that...

Chris Priestly on Twitter...

There is more DLC coming, but I cannot say what it will or will not contain. Sorry.

Modifié par Norlond, 29 août 2012 - 05:06 .

[demersel]

remember the scene where shepard meets the Leviathan? Leviathan appers in fron of him - flashes his eyes - the dream starts.
Now, thing back to the ending - the transport crashes, everyone get out, se the beam. Harbonger appears, flashes his eyes - the beam run starts. It literally goes downhill from there.
If Leviathan can take control of you simply by being in front of you - than Harbinger also can do that.

[The Twilight God]

ivenoidea wrote...

So judging by the similarity between that scene and the choice room I'd say it's save to assume that when the Leviathans can cause Shepard those hallucinations the Reapers can too, all while he is unconscious. (Remember he was barely there while going back up.)

The Reapers cannot. That is, the Leviathans can instantly "take" someone. The Reapers cannot. The Leviathan's version is more potent and doesn't appear to require any time like the Reapers' indoctrination. Reapers subtle change a person's way of thinking. Leviathans complete take control of the subjects body and the subject has no memories of what happpened. Reapers can only do this on people with reaper implants and even then the person is ware of what's happening. 

[MaximizedAction]

Norlond wrote...

He can't be serious

Chris Priestly on Twitter...

No. We will never confirm or deny indoc theory.

But immediately after that...

Chris Priestly on Twitter...

There is more DLC coming, but I cannot say what it will or will not contain. Sorry.

Oh, so now it went from "not planning" to "never"...

I should really stop reading Chris' tweets and posts.

EDIT: On the other hand, maybe he meant that they'll never deny or confirm it outside of the game.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 29 août 2012 - 05:11 .

[demersel]

Norlond wrote...

He can't be serious

Chris Priestly on Twitter...

No. We will never confirm or deny indoc theory.

But immediately after that...

Chris Priestly on Twitter...

There is more DLC coming, but I cannot say what it will or will not contain. Sorry.

That's PR talk for "Buy more DLC and find out for yourself".

[spotlessvoid]

Norlond wrote...

He can't be serious

Chris Priestly on Twitter...

No. We will never confirm or deny indoc theory.

But immediately after that...

Chris Priestly on Twitter...

There is more DLC coming, but I cannot say what it will or will not contain. Sorry.

basicaly pay up to find out in game. yes Bioware I just might

[BansheeOwnage]

Hello! I finished Leviathan. What's the sitrep here?

[Norlond]

demersel wrote...

That's PR talk for "Buy more DLC and find out for yourself".

What I think is that he's saying that BW themselves will never confirm or deny IT, but ingame content may do that

Oh and Hacketts message here

From: Admiral Steven Hackett
Re: Operation ALLOY
Confidentiality classification: XB-PRIME
Distribution: N7 Forces Only

Soldiers of the Milky Way –

It
is now common knowledge that Operation ALLOY did not go strictly as
planned. Sweeps in what should have been relatively low-risk areas were
met with heavy enemy resistance. Fortunately, reports from the field
indicate that our troops persevered and were able to strike back. I’ve
already been informed of a number of well-deserved promotions. In light
of these reports, Operation ALLOY has been deemed a success. 

Over
the next few days you’ll likely hear many stories about our talented
new recruits. I would also like to congratulate the experienced soldiers
who fought alongside them. It is under your guidance and leadership
that these new recruits excelled. They are now prepared to join our
forces on the front lines, and we are all stronger for it.

While
we celebrate Operation ALLOY’s success, we need to be aware that the
unexpected resistance faced by our soldiers may be symptomatic of a
larger issue. We’ve been receiving a number of strange reports that are
inconsistent with our knowledge of Reaper ground troop movement. At this
point, intel is vague at best. Rest assured we are pursuing the matter.

--Admiral Hackett

[demersel]

The Twilight God wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

So judging by the similarity between that scene and the choice room I'd say it's save to assume that when the Leviathans can cause Shepard those hallucinations the Reapers can too, all while he is unconscious. (Remember he was barely there while going back up.)

The Reapers cannot. That is, the Leviathans can instantly "take" someone. The Reapers cannot. The Leviathan's version is more potent and doesn't appear to require any time like the Reapers' indoctrination. Reapers subtle change a person's way of thinking. Leviathans complete take control of the subjects body and the subject has no memories of what happpened. Reapers can only do this on people with reaper implants and even then the person is ware of what's happening. 

But harbinger can - he's made of the Leviathans. And he did so in the past. Hi did take full control of Kenson at one pint, and she didn't have any reaper implants. And shepard has reaper implants, and he's been around reaper artifacts a lot for prolonged exposure. 

[SixG90]

Well, just finished Leviathan, and I liked it, A LOT. Sure, it left me with more questions than before, but I've also got some answers.

A) the Crucible is a trap, created by the starchild to find someone who could solve the problem (at the end we have a name that's fitting for it's purpose.)

Indoctrination, or Levy equivalent, is done by INFRASOUND. Shattering window, ringing in the ears and Shep's bleeding nose are proof of that. This confirms that the infrasound, found in game by TSA, Hellish and others here, is actually an attempt to indoctrinate/indoctrination moment.

C) The last part in a dreamy reality is what I think we are undergoing in the ending. It only lacks the "real time" shots of Shepard in the mech.

This is what I think at least.
Soo, what have you uncovered in these 2 days analising the DLC? There are differences in the ending dialogue if you play Leviathan?

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hello! I finished Leviathan. What's the sitrep here?

Hello, Banshee!   The sitrep is that we like it. A LOT. And that it almopst 90% confirms the IT. while doing nothing to disprove it. 

[DJBare]

spotlessvoid wrote...

can you elaborate some, not sure exactly what you mean DJBare

Just my own opinion.

I started getting the feeling weeks ago that Bioware are just messing with us, it's gone on too long for me, I've reminded myself it's just a game, I'm still up for the IT aspect and there is certainly some aspects in Leviathan pointing to it, but I've lost interest in "Shepards" story, it does not help that it's been quite catagorically stated that there will be no further changes to the ending, so therefore my mind is saying whats the point, maybe in a few months once all the DLC is released and fallen in price I might get them to pass the time, but any passion I felt for the series is just not there anymore.

[The Twilight God]

RavenEyry wrote...

Does the leviathan vision thingies use the fade to white transition too?

No. No transitions are used.

But as mentioned elsewhere in this forum, that transition is the only transtion used in the game. Unless Bioware had multiple transitions and that particular transition, out of many, is always used for dreams you can't claim that it signifies a dream.

That is circular logic. You assert it's a dream. You say it's a dream because it uses a transition. The transition means a dream occurrs. Transition happens so it must be a dream.

Dream = transition = dream = transition = dream

[demersel]

mrs.N7 wrote...
 There are differences in the ending dialogue if you play Leviathan?

Yes. It goes like this: 

- But I met your creators! THe leviathans are part of this war now!
- And I welcome their involvement. 

 For real. 

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hello! I finished Leviathan. What's the sitrep here?

Hello, Banshee!   The sitrep is that we like it. A LOT. And that it almopst 90% confirms the IT. while doing nothing to disprove it. 

I thought it was great too! But it talked about the starkid :/ I know this doesn't kill IT, but how does it help it?

[demersel]

DJBare wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

can you elaborate some, not sure exactly what you mean DJBare

Just my own opinion.

I started getting the feeling weeks ago that Bioware are just messing with us, it's gone on too long for me, I've reminded myself it's just a game, I'm still up for the IT aspect and there is certainly some aspects in Leviathan pointing to it, but I've lost interest in "Shepards" story, it does not help that it's been quite catagorically stated that there will be no further changes to the ending, so therefore my mind is saying whats the point, maybe in a few months once all the DLC is released and fallen in price I might get them to pass the time, but any passion I felt for the series is just not there anymore.

And to this bioware has already responded via MassEffect Twitter account - 

- We're sorry that you feel that way, and it is sad to see you go. We hope to win you back again in the future. 

For me this sounds like PR talk for - "Ok, come back when we release all the DLC". 

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hello! I finished Leviathan. What's the sitrep here?

Hello, Banshee!   The sitrep is that we like it. A LOT. And that it almopst 90% confirms the IT. while doing nothing to disprove it. 

I thought it was great too! But it talked about the starkid :/ I know this doesn't kill IT, but how does it help it?

it didn't talk about the STARKID. 
It talked about some AI created by the Leviathans, and that the Harbinger was in fact the first reaper created out of the Leviathans. 

It doesn't explain why a thing claiming to be an AI created by the Leviathans, (Giant Space Crabs) looks like the cellestial ghost of a child from the weird dreams that haunted shepard throughout whole game.

Also the catalyst says that the citadel is his home, and that it is part of him.  But the leviathan DLc clearly states that the citadel and the relays were created many cycles after the leviathans has created AI. But the first thing the AI did is hervestewd the leviathans and make Harbinger. It is safe to assume that Harbinger IS that AI and he IS the leader of the Reapers. 


If anything - the Leviathan DLC proves with 90% certainty that the catalyst thingy we're talking to in the ending is Harbinger. And it is all a dream like the leviathan put us into to talk to us. Which is exactly what the IT states. 

Modifié par demersel, 29 août 2012 - 05:29 .

[BansheeOwnage]

mrs.N7 wrote...

Well, just finished Leviathan, and I liked it, A LOT. Sure, it left me with more questions than before, but I've also got some answers.

A) the Crucible is a trap, created by the starchild to find someone who could solve the problem (at the end we have a name that's fitting for it's purpose.)

Indoctrination, or Levy equivalent, is done by INFRASOUND. Shattering window, ringing in the ears and Shep's bleeding nose are proof of that. This confirms that the infrasound, found in game by TSA, Hellish and others here, is actually an attempt to indoctrinate/indoctrination moment.

C) The last part in a dreamy reality is what I think we are undergoing in the ending. It only lacks the "real time" shots of Shepard in the mech.

This is what I think at least.
Soo, what have you uncovered in these 2 days analising the DLC? There are differences in the ending dialogue if you play Leviathan?

C) That makes sense. About the ending, there is barely any new dialogue. Actually, there is far less than in the leaked files.  I have no idea what that's about. But it does make the brat look more like a douche who betrayed his creators though, and give you less reason to trust him. Which is funny.
Starkid: "The created will always rebel against their creators."
Shepard: "How do you know?"
Starkid: "I killed my creators."
Shepard:     
YAY! More circular logic!

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

it didn't talk about the STARKID. 
It talked about some AI created by the Leviathans, and that the Harbinger was in fact the first reaper created out of the Leviathans. 

It doesn't explain why a thing claiming to be an AI created by the Leviathans, (Giant Space Crabs) looks like the cellestial ghost of a child from the weird dreams that haunted shepard throughout whole game.

Yeah, that's true. But what things support IT? (I'm still kind of absorbing the content)

[RavenEyry]

PR statements do seem to be continuing the ridiculous 'leave it vague to let everyone decide for themselves' thing.