demersel wrote...
mrs.N7 wrote...
There are differences in the ending dialogue if you play Leviathan?
Yes. It goes like this:
- But I met your creators! THe leviathans are part of this war now!
- And I welcome their involvement.
For real.
DJBare wrote...
Just my own opinion.spotlessvoid wrote...
can you elaborate some, not sure exactly what you mean DJBare
I started getting the feeling weeks ago that Bioware are just messing with us, it's gone on too long for me, I've reminded myself it's just a game, I'm still up for the IT aspect and there is certainly some aspects in Leviathan pointing to it, but I've lost interest in "Shepards" story, it does not help that it's been quite catagorically stated that there will be no further changes to the ending, so therefore my mind is saying whats the point, maybe in a few months once all the DLC is released and fallen in price I might get them to pass the time, but any passion I felt for the series is just not there anymore.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Yeah, that's true. But what things support IT? (I'm still kind of absorbing the contentdemersel wrote...
it didn't talk about the STARKID.
It talked about some AI created by the Leviathans, and that the Harbinger was in fact the first reaper created out of the Leviathans.
It doesn't explain why a thing claiming to be an AI created by the Leviathans, (Giant Space Crabs) looks like the cellestial ghost of a child from the weird dreams that haunted shepard throughout whole game.)
spotlessvoid wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Just my own opinion.spotlessvoid wrote...
can you elaborate some, not sure exactly what you mean DJBare
I started getting the feeling weeks ago that Bioware are just messing with us, it's gone on too long for me, I've reminded myself it's just a game, I'm still up for the IT aspect and there is certainly some aspects in Leviathan pointing to it, but I've lost interest in "Shepards" story, it does not help that it's been quite catagorically stated that there will be no further changes to the ending, so therefore my mind is saying whats the point, maybe in a few months once all the DLC is released and fallen in price I might get them to pass the time, but any passion I felt for the series is just not there anymore.
thx and I hear you, but i'm not there yet. but yeah
DJBare wrote...
Just my own opinion.
I started getting the feeling weeks ago that Bioware are just messing with us, it's gone on too long for me, I've reminded myself it's just a game, I'm still up for the IT aspect and there is certainly some aspects in Leviathan pointing to it, but I've lost interest in "Shepards" story, it does not help that it's been quite catagorically stated that there will be no further changes to the ending, so therefore my mind is saying whats the point, maybe in a few months once all the DLC is released and fallen in price I might get them to pass the time, but any passion I felt for the series is just not there anymore.
Hmmm. Well I don't know how likely it is that Leviathan put Shepard into that state. But I do think it's likely that Harbinger is the AI. Also, the "catalyst" is now filled with even more contradictions and plotholes. Maybe that's why he's transparent?demersel wrote...
Check out my edited post - i explained.
WolfyZA wrote...
Revan87 wrote...
Well, I belive that the Omega DLC will follow soon and we will learn another piece of the puzzle such as who actualy built omega (as far as I remember in the third novel it is stated that the reapers built omega... But I have to check again to be sure) and for what purpose (crucible?).
Speculation for everyone
Here is more speculation for you.. Isnt t funny that the Crucible looks remarkably like Omega... Coincidence??? I doubt it.
Modifié par The Twilight God, 29 août 2012 - 06:37 .
I agree that the reapers should be lovecraftian enemies. They're twisted and evil, claim they're beyond our understanding, claim salvation through destruction, and should be destroyed. Nothing else. Cerberus, or TIM at least, can be the enemy we can respect. Not the reapers. Also, the starkid still claims salvation through destruction, and for me, that's enough right there to prove he's crazy and promptly kill him.MaximizedAction wrote...
I don't care about them other than that they are (or should be) pure evil; and that's not because I'm so narrow minded or ignorant, but because I have been told so on multiple occasions. And the more the enemy's 'motivation' is tackled, the more do I lose interest in them as an enemy, which should actually be the driving force behind ME3, shouldn't it?
BansheeOwnage wrote...
C) That makes sense. About the ending, there is barely any new dialogue. Actually, there is far less than in the leaked files.mrs.N7 wrote...
Well, just finished Leviathan, and I liked it, A LOT. Sure, it left me with more questions than before, but I've also got some answers.
A) the Crucible is a trap, created by the starchild to find someone who could solve the problem (at the end we have a name that's fitting for it's purpose.)Indoctrination, or Levy equivalent, is done by INFRASOUND. Shattering window, ringing in the ears and Shep's bleeding nose are proof of that. This confirms that the infrasound, found in game by TSA, Hellish and others here, is actually an attempt to indoctrinate/indoctrination moment.
C) The last part in a dreamy reality is what I think we are undergoing in the ending. It only lacks the "real time" shots of Shepard in the mech.
This is what I think at least.
Soo, what have you uncovered in these 2 days analising the DLC? There are differences in the ending dialogue if you play Leviathan?I have no idea what that's about. But it does make the brat look more like a douche who betrayed his creators though, and give you less reason to trust him. Which is funny.
Starkid: "The created will always rebel against their creators."
Shepard: "How do you know?"
Starkid: "I killed my creators."
Shepard:
YAY! More circular logic!
Yes... If they do that I think I'llRavenEyry wrote...
PR statements do seem to be continuing the ridiculous 'leave it vague to let everyone decide for themselves' thing.
Yeah I have to say I like the Leviathans a lot less than I thought I would.mrs.N7 wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
C) That makes sense. About the ending, there is barely any new dialogue. Actually, there is far less than in the leaked files.mrs.N7 wrote...
Well, just finished Leviathan, and I liked it, A LOT. Sure, it left me with more questions than before, but I've also got some answers.
A) the Crucible is a trap, created by the starchild to find someone who could solve the problem (at the end we have a name that's fitting for it's purpose.)
C) The last part in a dreamy reality is what I think we are undergoing in the ending. It only lacks the "real time" shots of Shepard in the mech.
This is what I think at least.
Soo, what have you uncovered in these 2 days analising the DLC? There are differences in the ending dialogue if you play Leviathan?
Starkid: "The created will always rebel against their creators."
Shepard: "How do you know?"
Starkid: "I killed my creators."
Shepard:
YAY! More circular logic!
The part of creating an AI to keep the peace on the galaxy was stupid in my opinion. It clashes with the whole "We were, are and will always be the apex species of the galaxy". Why would you rely on a thing that you deemed dangerous for lesser species, with lesser tecnology and all? They should have acted better, in line with what they claim to be. Instead they are full of *******, like the Catalyst
At least this is what I feel Shep should have said to Leviathan, along with:
"You stupid, big crab are coming with me to fight, or I'll give you to Vega. He'll play with you like he did to that husk head"
You're right, they are full of BS. I mean I'd welcome the protheans (if we find more) to integrate back into galactic society and be part of the citadel and everything. But the Leviathans? They're still just like reapers. I think they're too dangerous and untrustworthy to be left alive. What about you guys? After the war, what should we do with the Leviathans?
The way everything seems to reinforce both interpretations of the ending and the statements just make it sound like they think it's a good idea to just let everyone be angry.BansheeOwnage wrote...
Yes... If they do that I think I'llRavenEyry wrote...
PR statements do seem to be continuing the ridiculous 'leave it vague to let everyone decide for themselves' thing.go to Bioware HQ and empty my heat sink into their officesbe very very very very angry, sad depressed, and mostly just confused.
Open a chain of sushi restaurants.BansheeOwnage wrote...
What about you guys? After the war, what should we do with the Leviathans?
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Yeah I have to say I like the Leviathans a lot less than I thought I would.mrs.N7 wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
C) That makes sense. About the ending, there is barely any new dialogue. Actually, there is far less than in the leaked files.mrs.N7 wrote...
Well, just finished Leviathan, and I liked it, A LOT. Sure, it left me with more questions than before, but I've also got some answers.
A) the Crucible is a trap, created by the starchild to find someone who could solve the problem (at the end we have a name that's fitting for it's purpose.)
C) The last part in a dreamy reality is what I think we are undergoing in the ending. It only lacks the "real time" shots of Shepard in the mech.
This is what I think at least.
Soo, what have you uncovered in these 2 days analising the DLC? There are differences in the ending dialogue if you play Leviathan?
Starkid: "The created will always rebel against their creators."
Shepard: "How do you know?"
Starkid: "I killed my creators."
Shepard:
YAY! More circular logic!
The part of creating an AI to keep the peace on the galaxy was stupid in my opinion. It clashes with the whole "We were, are and will always be the apex species of the galaxy". Why would you rely on a thing that you deemed dangerous for lesser species, with lesser tecnology and all? They should have acted better, in line with what they claim to be. Instead they are full of *******, like the Catalyst
At least this is what I feel Shep should have said to Leviathan, along with:
"You stupid, big crab are coming with me to fight, or I'll give you to Vega. He'll play with you like he did to that husk head"
BansheeOwnage wrote...
After the war, what should we do with the Leviathans?
I can't use words to describe how much I would hate that. That would not work in the long run however. No one will buy BW stuff after that. I really think they should (regardless of original intention) endorse the IT and make it canon. It's the only way to save themselves...RavenEyry wrote...
The way everything seems to reinforce both interpretations of the ending and the statements just make it sound like they think it's a good idea to just let everyone be angry.BansheeOwnage wrote...
Yes... If they do that I think I'llRavenEyry wrote...
PR statements do seem to be continuing the ridiculous 'leave it vague to let everyone decide for themselves' thing.go to Bioware HQ and empty my heat sink into their officesbe very very very very angry, sad depressed, and mostly just confused.
Though the desire for more clarity and closure is causing loads of people to buy DLC, so maybe the plan was just to make the most money possible, public image be damned.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
I can't use words to describe how much I would hate that. That would not work in the long run however. No one will buy BW stuff after that. I really think they should (regardless of original intention) endorse the IT and make it canon. It's the only way to save themselves...RavenEyry wrote...
The way everything seems to reinforce both interpretations of the ending and the statements just make it sound like they think it's a good idea to just let everyone be angry.BansheeOwnage wrote...
Yes... If they do that I think I'llRavenEyry wrote...
PR statements do seem to be continuing the ridiculous 'leave it vague to let everyone decide for themselves' thing.go to Bioware HQ and empty my heat sink into their officesbe very very very very angry, sad depressed, and mostly just confused.
Though the desire for more clarity and closure is causing loads of people to buy DLC, so maybe the plan was just to make the most money possible, public image be damned.
Sero303 wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Just my own opinion.spotlessvoid wrote...
can you elaborate some, not sure exactly what you mean DJBare
I started getting the feeling weeks ago that Bioware are just messing with us, it's gone on too long for me, I've reminded myself it's just a game, I'm still up for the IT aspect and there is certainly some aspects in Leviathan pointing to it, but I've lost interest in "Shepards" story, it does not help that it's been quite catagorically stated that there will be no further changes to the ending, so therefore my mind is saying whats the point, maybe in a few months once all the DLC is released and fallen in price I might get them to pass the time, but any passion I felt for the series is just not there anymore.
thx and I hear you, but i'm not there yet. but yeah
I am, but I still have hope. Apparentely more than Shepard in the ending. But I can honestly say in another 2 months, I will probably forget the Shepard, the Reapers and Mass Effect ever existed.
)
Modifié par demersel, 29 août 2012 - 06:02 .
spotlessvoid wrote...
I hate even saying this but what the catalyst is looking for is probably an organic capable of making synthesis happen- Shepard
The Twilight God wrote...
1. The Crucible docks, but is not arming.
2. Shepard leaps into the beam and an energetic aura engulfs his surroundings.
3. The Crucible arms itself and fires.
4. It is thus inferred that Shepard's presence within the contraption's energy cocktail was in accordance with the overall contraption's intended purpose.
5. It can thus be further inferred that the beveled synthesis array, and by association the entire contraption, were constructed with the intent of interacting with the Crucible.
6. It has been confirmed in the very opener of the segment that the contraptions at eye level are NOT a part of the Crucible.
7. The contraptions are built into and plugged into the Citadel.
8. If the contraptions were built by the Citadel's organic inhabitants, per the Crucible's schematics, it would be known that the Citadel was a component beforehand. That is not the case.
9. The Citadel is of Reaper construction.
10. Conclusion: the Reapers built the Contraption.
11. If the Reapers built a contraption that interfaces with the Crucible, the Reaper must have some technical details on the Crucible in order to have the understanding of how it works in order to build a device tailored to interfacing with the Crucible.
12. Given all of the above, the Crucible did not create new possibilities. It merely allowed for premeditated functionalities to be actualized.
13. Given the above fact, it is inferred that they must already be aware of the viability of Synthesis prior to the Crucible docking if, in fact, all the Crucible does is provide power. As the only limiting factor prior to the Crucible docking is power. Everything else was already built and ready to go.
The question emerges: If the Reapers are familiar with the Crucible design, have built a premeditated means to harness the Crucible's energy and ultimately desire for Synthesis to occur; why would they resist its docking? If it truly is a superior solution, why struggle to prevent it?
The only reason I can fathom is that it is NOT the ideal solution to the Reapers' hypothetical problem or it does not achieve the goals of whatever true (unexplained) objective they may have. It is simply viewed as preferable to the annihilation of the Reapers altogether.
demersel wrote...
guys! You look at it from the wrong perspective!
given the ammount of work they've done in the main game 90% of it - it was really easy to make an ending that would be fine for everybody.
Now if ME3 would have had a fine ending - and you liked the game - you would buy all the story DLC anyway!
If you didn't like ME3 (90% of it) - then you wouldn't care about the DLC anyway.
I bought all the DLCs for the ME2 - because i liked the main game and wanted more of it. I bught Kasumi cause i liked Zayed, and wanted another squadmate. I bought Overlord, cause I liked Firewalker and wanted more of it.
I bought Lair of the Shadow Broker - because i liked Kasumi DLC and Overlord DLC A LOT - they were among the best parts of ME2 for me. I bought Arrival because I loved Kasumi, Overlord and Lair of the Shadow Broker - and i wanted more. By that time, i tell you, it didn't matter to me would ME3 be any good - i knew i would buy it anyway - if it's good - i'll be happy - if it's bad - i'd buy it anyway, just to see for myself, anf to finish the story. So i might as well pre-order the CE. And now i tell you, that I am going to buy every single piece of story DLC to ME3. I don't buy a lot of games, and i don't buy them often. I like mass effect and i might as well spend some money on it. Now, even after the ending - i still new that i'm going to buy all the DLC. At least the first one - to see if it does entertain me. And you know what? It does. I didn't care much for the EC - it was free, and i didn't need it. But leviathan isn't free - and for me it was well worth the money. And i'm looking forward to the next DLC - beacause Leviathan was of such great quality.
Everything I said above is relevant regardless of IT TrueFalse
Now let's touch the subject of IT.
If it is true - it is the GREATEST story telling expirience I ever had.
And we all should be gratefull for bioware for it.
We are part of something great, something that has never been done before.
You all say that they just want our money. Of course they want it. But there are easier ways to earn them. Even with the DLC.
They do it because it is the way to tell this story. It is supposed to be a puzzle. It is supposed to be a mystery. And you know what the crucial and most fun part of the mystery? THE MYSTERY! And also - timing. If you tell you right away the end - it wouldn't be as interesting.
Imagine that the It is true for a second. And it is going to be revealed in 'like 8 months or so. Or a year. Would it be as interesting to play mass effect 3 after that as it is now? Imagine that this is true - shperd is indoctrinated.
And because of that (and other qualities) - Mass Effect 3 will become one of the greatest games of all time. But would you be able to play it and expirience it like you do now? No. Now is the best time to go into the mass effect series., and Mass effect 3 is the perfect entry point (does that sound familiar?
demersel wrote...
The Twilight God wrote...
ivenoidea wrote...
So judging by the similarity between that scene and the choice room I'd say it's save to assume that when the Leviathans can cause Shepard those hallucinations the Reapers can too, all while he is unconscious. (Remember he was barely there while going back up.)
The Reapers cannot. That is, the Leviathans can instantly "take" someone. The Reapers cannot. The Leviathan's version is more potent and doesn't appear to require any time like the Reapers' indoctrination. Reapers subtle change a person's way of thinking. Leviathans complete take control of the subjects body and the subject has no memories of what happpened. Reapers can only do this on people with reaper implants and even then the person is ware of what's happening.
But harbinger can - he's made of the Leviathans. And he did so in the past. Hi did take full control of Kenson at one pint, and she didn't have any reaper implants. And shepard has reaper implants, and he's been around reaper artifacts a lot for prolonged exposure.
mrs.N7 wrote...
After all, when all DLC is finished, we'll have spent the same money as we if we bought another game.
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