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[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...
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But now, after Leviathan DLC,  in destroy - Leviathans decide the fate of the galaxy, since there is no one left to oppose them. That's the literal interpretation.  No win scenario. 

Interesting. That's why Control is the best. You stand a chance against them.

No control is bad cause the reapers are still around. And they are not controlled centrally. each single piece of every single reaper has the power to indoctrinate, even without direct control and intervention of the reaper. So there cannot possibly be a way of controlling all the reapers at once, especially by merging with them. They'll just assimilate you and move on. They are just random independed agents unified by single purpose. 

[paxxton]

legaldinho wrote...

paxxton wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

Nuke their planet, every which way. Drive an asteroid or twenty into them. Crash one into the nearest relay. Problem solved.

LETS TALK ABOUT THE POPPIES NOW PLS TA

And collect millions of spherical artifacts with which they control everybody in the Galaxy.

The artifacts can get tae when the leviathans are extinct, paxx.

First you have to find someone who's not under Leviathan's influence.

[OdanUrr]

The Twilight God wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

There are many reasons why I disagree with refuse being the 'right' choice. Arian did a really good rant about how it doesn't work in IT, but there is also the simple real life fact that it was added in EC, which wasn't (probably) planned from the start.

Refuse flat out PROVES an indoctrination attempt is taking place. Without a shadow of a doubt.

As an engineer, I would require actual proof, not conjecture.

[TheConstantOne]

demersel wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...
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But now, after Leviathan DLC,  in destroy - Leviathans decide the fate of the galaxy, since there is no one left to oppose them. That's the literal interpretation.  No win scenario. 

The Leviathans are being set up as a future enemy for another Mass Effect game, I think.  And again, this holds in either view of the ending.

Isn't wonderful to know that, whatever viewpoint fans hold, we could very well end up in the same place? haha

[RavenEyry]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I know! I laughed at that and put it in my word doc that has 17000 words of awesome said by many people about IT. Also, I give you my permission to be the House of IT.

I keep telling you! I'm the writing desk of IT!

Thanks for the, er, saving anyway.

[demersel]

legaldinho wrote...

paxxton wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

Nuke their planet, every which way. Drive an asteroid or twenty into them. Crash one into the nearest relay. Problem solved.

LETS TALK ABOUT THE POPPIES NOW PLS TA

And collect millions of spherical artifacts with which they control everybody in the Galaxy.

The artifacts can get tae when the leviathans are extinct, paxx.

How can you be sure they are extinct? Maybe there are other planets, that hide them. How can you be sure? We always assumed that the leviathan was the single surviver, like javik. (which also is yet to be proven)  - but at the end the show that there are at least three of them. Who's to say there aren't any more anywhere? 

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...
***snip**

But now, after Leviathan DLC,  in destroy - Leviathans decide the fate of the galaxy, since there is no one left to oppose them. That's the literal interpretation.  No win scenario. 

Interesting. That's why Control is the best. You stand a chance against them.

No control is bad cause the reapers are still around. And they are not controlled centrally. each single piece of every single reaper has the power to indoctrinate, even without direct control and intervention of the reaper. So there cannot possibly be a way of controlling all the reapers at once, especially by merging with them. They'll just assimilate you and move on. They are just random independed agents unified by single purpose. 

But there is. Shepard the Catalyst has that power.

Modifié par paxxton, 29 août 2012 - 08:03 .

[EpyonX3]

Rifneno wrote...

When did Levy say "we created an AI that lives in a station that had yet to be built and it looks like the kid you saw die a billion years later"?

"Your memories give voice to our words. You're nature will be revealed to us."

The AI is doing just that, only not as good since Levy can take the form of different individuals flawlessly and the catalyst appears like he's made of light.

[spotlessvoid]

http://t1ak.roblox.c...870fe9171249e15



Yeah, starchild is strictly above board

[EpyonX3]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...
***snip**

But now, after Leviathan DLC,  in destroy - Leviathans decide the fate of the galaxy, since there is no one left to oppose them. That's the literal interpretation.  No win scenario. 

Interesting. That's why Control is the best. You stand a chance against them.

No control is bad cause the reapers are still around. And they are not controlled centrally. each single piece of every single reaper has the power to indoctrinate, even without direct control and intervention of the reaper. So there cannot possibly be a way of controlling all the reapers at once, especially by merging with them. They'll just assimilate you and move on. They are just random independed agents unified by single purpose. 

That and the Levys still have the ability to kill them. So once again, Synthesis is the best option that bioware manufactured, since everyone is the apex race.

[Rifneno]

OdanUrr wrote...

As an engineer, I would require actual proof, not conjecture.

As an astronaut-cowboy-millionaire, I'm not sure why you feel the need to inform us of your poor reasoning skills.

demersel wrote...

How can you be sure they are extinct? Maybe there are other planets, that hide them. How can you be sure? We always assumed that the leviathan was the single surviver, like javik. (which also is yet to be proven) - but at the end the show that there are at least three of them. Who's to say there aren't any more anywhere?

Exactly. You can bet your ass they're out there on other planets. They've been hiding for a billion frickin' years, they're not putting all their eggs in one basket. If the Reapers haven't managed to exterminate them in this period of time, I doubt we're going to do it anytime soon. ... Well, assuming the Reapers want them dead. I'm unconvinced these things aren't just playing us.

[spotlessvoid]

Isn't there only 3 Leviathans left? How are they going to rule the galaxy?

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...
But there is. Shepard the Catalyst has that power.

Says who? :happy:

[The Twilight God]

RavenEyry wrote...

I have read your thesis so I could make a negative comment if I wanted to, but I haven't, I'm not sure why you're leaping to defend something I haven't questioned.

You said that the contraption makes no sense. However, it makes perfect sense; which is covered in my thesis. You say you've read it, but why then are you completely ignoring the points made in the thesis?

Why does you statement imply you have no clue what you are talking about?

You said, "A thing on the bottom of the citadel that no one ever noticed before fits perfectly with a device (supposedly) designed by a different people to the citadel that can only be activated by either shooting it or melting a person."

If you had read my thesis you would not be making such an uninformed comment.

RavenEyry wrote...

2. The Citadel uses mass effect fields to maintain a breathable environment

On the inside yeah. The choice-o-matic is on the outside.

"On the outside" is subjective in this situation. The surface of the ward arms are "on the outside" as well. If you look around the area Shepard is standing in you'll notice the outer walls extend to a height well above Shepard's head. He is in a "valley". There is no reason whatsoever that there can't be "a 'membrane' of dense, colorless sulphur hexafluoride gas, held in place by carefully managed mass effect fields".

[legaldinho]

legaldinho wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

Time to prompt my betters to do some speculating/ investigating/ picturing/ youtubing.

Subject: The red poppy that features in Leviathan.

Motive: This poppy is everywhere on the citadel. I think it appears elsewhere too, i think. It features everywhere in Dr Bryson's lab's balcony.

Support: It looks a bit like the scarren flower in Farscape. We know how far the sci fi influence net is cast in Mass Effect's case.

Relevance of Leviathan: When chasing Garneaux, you enter the research lab or something. This is where you pick up lots of conversations/ datapads. One of these datapads is next to a bunch of these red flowers. It says something like "though common, this strand is extremely dangerous". With the recap of indoctrination-creatures including the thorian and its "spores", as well as emphasis on the organic nature of the Leviathan's indoctrination means, I say this warrans some monocle popping speculation.

Interesting...

Banshee get going man. This speculating stuff's not for thirty year olds.

Finally, found a vid that does some semi-thorough investigating.



At 07:12.

Datapad says:

"NOTE TO STAFF:
This new crossbreed appears harmless and would be inconspicuous in an
office environment. However, it is exceedingly dangerous. Use extreme
caution when working with all third-generation plants."

This guy's shep is jittery as ****, but anyway, you can see the plant is in Dr Bryson's office, inside at 00.16 and outside at 4:14



Pretty sure these flowers are also in Councillor Udina's office... and many places besides. Wondered about them before- but only because I'm such a Farscape fan.

Just to confirm, the flowers are in udina's office, and elsewhere on the embassies ward.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...
But there is. Shepard the Catalyst has that power.

Says who? :happy:

I say so. Period.

[TheConstantOne]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...
***snip**

But now, after Leviathan DLC,  in destroy - Leviathans decide the fate of the galaxy, since there is no one left to oppose them. That's the literal interpretation.  No win scenario. 

Interesting. That's why Control is the best. You stand a chance against them.

No control is bad cause the reapers are still around. And they are not controlled centrally. each single piece of every single reaper has the power to indoctrinate, even without direct control and intervention of the reaper. So there cannot possibly be a way of controlling all the reapers at once, especially by merging with them. They'll just assimilate you and move on. They are just random independed agents unified by single purpose. 

But there is. Shepard the Catalyst has that power.

The Shepard-AI might not be assimilated by the Reapers, per se, but he is likely assimilated with the AI (assuming that the AI isn't Harbinger). As a result, he has the AI's directive (protect life) but is guided by Shepard's ideals. The Reapers would be stand alone beings but the parameters of their AI shackles would change.  However, if peace is severely threatened, the Shepard AI could choose to start reaping again.

I understand your reasons for supporting control paxxton but I'm siding with demersel on this one. I think that, in literal Control, the Reapers are still too dangerous to allow to exist, especially since their concept of life is...not exactly the same as our's

[paxxton]

Hey! Wasn't that Leviathan in the vision from Arrival? The silhouettes seem to match.

Modifié par paxxton, 29 août 2012 - 08:17 .

[legaldinho]

Looking for clues about the poppies. Ran into Ashley quoting invictus. Full quote:



Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.


William Ernest Henley

Modifié par legaldinho, 29 août 2012 - 08:17 .

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...
But there is. Shepard the Catalyst has that power.

Says who? :happy:

I say so. Period.

Okey dokey - enjoy your talks with the huskhead. 

[Codename_Code]

All the people claiming the leviathans are as dangeorus as the reapers. The leviathans are organics beings with no lasers, and no mechanical armors, also, very little group of them now. Dangerous in some way, but they look fragile if attacked by a fleet.

My question is, how the intelligence created the first reapers without having any reapers to harvest violently : /