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[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

The Leviathan-Reaper conflict resembles the one from Tron: Legacy.

Yeah, I have watched Tron Legacy so often prior to the ME3 release that as soon as the statement "The created will always rebell against their creators" fell, I thought: Man, Clu is about to show up. Especially with the beam in the background...
I also thought that ME3 needs moar synths...the good ones!

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So
does anyone feel like they're missing a whole bunch of the story? How were the Leviathans defeated? Why don't the Leviathans show up in the final battle? How does nobody know anything about the Crucible? The Leviathan dlc actually gave us no new information whatsoever on the creation of the Reapers. All it did was give the creators a face, and confirm once and for all that Harbinger is the first Reaper.

However, the game is still teasing a big role for Harbinger without actually delivering it, and Bioware has still refused to let us see any of our war assets in London. It almost felt like they were taking a shot at people who want to see their war assets. "The Leviathans are a part of this war now!" Well where the hell are they, they could have helped at a lot of times.

+ 1
That's basically what I was thinking. What about this? 
https://twitter.com/...464994594758656 So more lies by Bioware? Or what?
Turns out we did know the rediculous origins of the reapers. We just didn't know what the race that made them was called or what they look like. So they're called Leviathans, and they look like reapers. Great. The DLC was great, but it didn't answer anything. Just added more questions...

+2!
When you put it like that...the DLC didn't really bring anything new and world shattering to the table.

At least the Alliance is now trying to use indoctrination as a weapon against the Reapers...or was that Cerberus...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 29 août 2012 - 09:38 .

[BansheeOwnage]

SwobyJ wrote...

Indoctrinated organics could have done it.

For all we know (sigh, need more info!), there could have been an Atlantian-type civilization of huge technological proportions in the 'beginning'.

They at least had the tech to allow Leviathans space travel, even as the organic beings that they are.

I see them as the Prothians x100000.

So, Protheans = Forerunners and Leviathans = Precursors? (Sorry if you don't know anything about Halo)

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

At least the Alliance is now trying to use indoctrination as a weapon against the Reapers...or was that Cerberus...

LOL.

[BansheeOwnage]

RavenEyry wrote...

It's amazing how absolutely everything both totally proves IT and totally kills IT at the same time. This forum has an inability to avoid absolutes.

+ ∞
Seriously, this. Perfect. Awesome. Please use fewer absolutes.

[Lokanaiya]

Still, I'd like to see if they look like Opium Poppies. If they do, then... Well, symbolism. Symbolism and perhaps further evidence the Citadel has a pacification field. I'm almost home but I'll explain more when I get to an actual computer.

[BansheeOwnage]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Sure, you save EDI and the geth, but at the cost of Shepard and more importantly, the freedom of the entire galaxy. That bolded part is not definite but I do not want to take that chance.

Actually, it is definite. It was already taken away when it was forced on all beings in the galaxy.

[demersel]

The Twilight God wrote...

Dude, I've had enough of people who talk the talk and can't walk the walk. If someone wants to challenge anything I've asserted I welcome it.  

Dude. That's where you're wrong. No one gives a **** at what you've ASSerted. No one really cares. You come here, call everyone an idiot, and when asked why - you say, "Well i'm glad you asked! Read my thread, then we'll talk." 

Go **** yourself.  (do it while reading your OP in your thread, and do it if front of a mirror, with various dolls and teddybears.  - that should satisfy you, if not - play with some sock puppets)

Modifié par demersel, 29 août 2012 - 09:48 .

[Sero303]

plfranke wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So does anyone feel like they're missing a whole bunch of the story? How were the Leviathans defeated? Why don't the Leviathans show up in the final battle? How does nobody know anything about the Crucible? The Leviathan dlc actually gave us no new information whatsoever on the creation of the Reapers. All it did was give the creators a face, and confirm once and for all that Harbinger is the first Reaper.

However, the game is still teasing a big role for Harbinger without actually delivering it, and Bioware has still refused to let us see any of our war assets in London. It almost felt like they were taking a shot at people who want to see their war assets. "The Leviathans are a part of this war now!" Well where the hell are they, they could have helped at a lot of times.

+ 1
That's basically what I was thinking. What about this? 
https://twitter.com/...464994594758656 So more lies by Bioware? Or what?
Turns out we did know the rediculous origins of the reapers. We just didn't know what the race that made them was called or what they look like. So they're called Leviathans, and they look like reapers. Great. The DLC was great, but it didn't answer anything. Just added more questions...

More meaningless questions that don't really affect the ending, or post ME3,...
I mean it's cool to learn a few things from the past, but it still doesn't impact in anyway shape or form the future of the galaxy. I know, no one really knows the future or what's in store for us. But it's not reality, it's a story, and we the people want to know what happens next, not in the middle of the ending, or what happened eons ago...

The question of "What happens after you make your final decision now that you know Leviathan is out there" doesn't affect what happens next?

We can speculate, but if Bioware/EA gives you the option for 10 more ME3 DLC's further explaining PAST events, ( Leviathans, Geth war, 1st contact war, reaper birthday parties! ) OR MAss Effect 4,...would it really be a question?

[The Twilight God]

demersel wrote...

Boy, when the Judgment day comes, the Jesus will come to you and redicule you for not believing that Mass Effect 3's ending was a dream. 

Ridiculing me for not having blindly believing in something I had no reason to believe in? Interesting concept.

If I was "the Jesus" I would ridicule the people who believed I would return when they had no prior reason to think I would reuturn. To each his own.

[spotlessvoid]

Arashi...
I've listened to all his arguments. I really like his thread posts. He obviously put a lot of work in. I just think ITdream is the better fit. But he's gotten to the point of "bow down to my superior intellectual reasoning." It's old, the overwhelming majority here are tired of his constant posting about how he is right and we are wrong. About everything. So yes, people are getting impatient with him. His theory is not indoctrination theory, although it's perfectly valid, but not what THIS thread wants to talk about., especially with Leviathan having just released.
,He has his own thread. People here don't want to argue with him anymore, but
He's become very condescending and it's getting old

edit: not tryinh to jump down your throat. just pointing out that he has brought the disdain on himself

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 29 août 2012 - 09:49 .

[The Twilight God]

spotlessvoid wrote...

speculations = religion. Sure

Are you admitting dream theory is speculation?

[Dwailing]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

It's amazing how absolutely everything both totally proves IT and totally kills IT at the same time. This forum has an inability to avoid absolutes.

+ ∞
Seriously, this. Perfect. Awesome. Please use fewer absolutes.

I try to never claim that my interpretation of something is definitely the way something is.  At this point, I support anything that is well thought-out and makes sense when it comes to explaining the ending.  IT will always be my main interpretation (And hopefully more.) of what's going on, but I like to keep an open mind.

[CoolioThane]

The Twilight God wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

speculations = religion. Sure

Are you admitting dream theory is speculation?

Are you implying your "theory" isn't speculation?

Nob

[Lokanaiya]

The Twilight God wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

speculations = religion. Sure

Are you admitting dream theory is speculation?

In the same way as your "IT-Con" theory. The same way the Puzzle theory is. The same way Intoxication Theory is. They're all speculations and theories.

And does nobody have a picture of the poppies ingame?

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 29 août 2012 - 09:49 .

[SixG90]

 Wanted to ask something to you guys... Am I the only one that got this issue with Leviathan?  I felt so trolled by Javik 

[plfranke]

Sero303 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So does anyone feel like they're missing a whole bunch of the story? How were the Leviathans defeated? Why don't the Leviathans show up in the final battle? How does nobody know anything about the Crucible? The Leviathan dlc actually gave us no new information whatsoever on the creation of the Reapers. All it did was give the creators a face, and confirm once and for all that Harbinger is the first Reaper.

However, the game is still teasing a big role for Harbinger without actually delivering it, and Bioware has still refused to let us see any of our war assets in London. It almost felt like they were taking a shot at people who want to see their war assets. "The Leviathans are a part of this war now!" Well where the hell are they, they could have helped at a lot of times.

+ 1
That's basically what I was thinking. What about this? 
https://twitter.com/...464994594758656 So more lies by Bioware? Or what?
Turns out we did know the rediculous origins of the reapers. We just didn't know what the race that made them was called or what they look like. So they're called Leviathans, and they look like reapers. Great. The DLC was great, but it didn't answer anything. Just added more questions...

More meaningless questions that don't really affect the ending, or post ME3,...
I mean it's cool to learn a few things from the past, but it still doesn't impact in anyway shape or form the future of the galaxy. I know, no one really knows the future or what's in store for us. But it's not reality, it's a story, and we the people want to know what happens next, not in the middle of the ending, or what happened eons ago...

The question of "What happens after you make your final decision now that you know Leviathan is out there" doesn't affect what happens next?

We can speculate, but if Bioware/EA gives you the option for 10 more ME3 DLC's further explaining PAST events, ( Leviathans, Geth war, 1st contact war, reaper birthday parties! ) OR MAss Effect 4,...would it really be a question?

The problem is, you're ignoring the actual questions I said it raised, and replacing it with useless things like Reaper Birthday parties and Geth war. And the questions I asked could have and should have been answered in this dlc.

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arashi...
I've listened to all his arguments. I really like his thread posts. He obviously put a lot of work in. I just think ITdream is the better fit. But he's gotten to the point of "bow down to my superior intellectual reasoning." It's old, the overwhelming majority here are tired of his constant posting about how he is right and we are wrong. About everything. So yes, people are getting impatient with him. His theory is not indoctrination theory, although it's perfectly valid, but not what THIS thread wants to talk about., especially with Leviathan having just released.
,He has his own thread. People here don't want to argue with him anymore, but
He's become very condescending and it's getting old

edit: not tryinh to jump down your throat. just pointing out that he has brought the disdain on himself

+ at least like 10 come on

[spotlessvoid]

The Twilight God wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

speculations = religion. Sure

Are you admitting dream theory is speculation?

Are you implying your theory isn't?

[Sero303]

Lokanaiya wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

speculations = religion. Sure

Are you admitting dream theory is speculation?

In the same way as your "IT-Con" theory. The same way the Puzzle theory is. The same way Intoxication Theory is. They're all speculations and theories.

And does nobody have a picture of the poppies ingame?

Damn get this man a job at Bioware!

[Dwailing]

Lokanaiya wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

speculations = religion. Sure

Are you admitting dream theory is speculation?

In the same way as your "IT-Con" theory. The same way the Puzzle theory is. The same way Intoxication Theory is. They're all speculations.

That's all we HAVE at this point.  Say what you will about the endings, but if the intention really was, "Lot's of speculation for everyone," Then BioWare definitely succeeded.  Of course, speculations will only get you so far.  That's why we didn't like the endings in the first place.  If you want a good example of how to do a game with various interpretations, look at Spec Ops: The Line.  I haven't played it, but I've read a lot about it, and it sounds like the devs did a great job at creating both a good story and a good conclusion while still leaving lots of room for speculation about what's going on.

Modifié par Dwailing, 29 août 2012 - 09:53 .

[Sero303]

plfranke wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So does anyone feel like they're missing a whole bunch of the story? How were the Leviathans defeated? Why don't the Leviathans show up in the final battle? How does nobody know anything about the Crucible? The Leviathan dlc actually gave us no new information whatsoever on the creation of the Reapers. All it did was give the creators a face, and confirm once and for all that Harbinger is the first Reaper.

However, the game is still teasing a big role for Harbinger without actually delivering it, and Bioware has still refused to let us see any of our war assets in London. It almost felt like they were taking a shot at people who want to see their war assets. "The Leviathans are a part of this war now!" Well where the hell are they, they could have helped at a lot of times.

+ 1
That's basically what I was thinking. What about this? 
https://twitter.com/...464994594758656 So more lies by Bioware? Or what?
Turns out we did know the rediculous origins of the reapers. We just didn't know what the race that made them was called or what they look like. So they're called Leviathans, and they look like reapers. Great. The DLC was great, but it didn't answer anything. Just added more questions...

More meaningless questions that don't really affect the ending, or post ME3,...
I mean it's cool to learn a few things from the past, but it still doesn't impact in anyway shape or form the future of the galaxy. I know, no one really knows the future or what's in store for us. But it's not reality, it's a story, and we the people want to know what happens next, not in the middle of the ending, or what happened eons ago...

The question of "What happens after you make your final decision now that you know Leviathan is out there" doesn't affect what happens next?

We can speculate, but if Bioware/EA gives you the option for 10 more ME3 DLC's further explaining PAST events, ( Leviathans, Geth war, 1st contact war, reaper birthday parties! ) OR MAss Effect 4,...would it really be a question?

The problem is, you're ignoring the actual questions I said it raised, and replacing it with useless things like Reaper Birthday parties and Geth war. And the questions I asked could have and should have been answered in this dlc.

You're absolutely right, but that isn't the point I was making, yes learning about the leviathans/apex COULD in theory led to a continuation of the Mass Effect story line, but just because we learned more about the reapers past does not automatically led to anything espeically not another game. But that is the point of what I was saying my friend, I care more about what will happen next, then what happened before.

[The Twilight God]

OdanUrr wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

There are many reasons why I disagree with refuse being the 'right' choice. Arian did a really good rant about how it doesn't work in IT, but there is also the simple real life fact that it was added in EC, which wasn't (probably) planned from the start.

Refuse flat out PROVES an indoctrination attempt is taking place. Without a shadow of a doubt.

As an engineer, I would require actual proof, not conjecture.

It isn't conjecture. But feel free to throw whatever words around make you feel better about betraying the entire galaxy.

Very well then. What are your postulates, your reasoning, and your conclusion.

Premise: Shepard wants to save the galaxy and stop the Reapers
Reasoning: The entire plot of the ME series, particularly of ME3.
Conclusion: Shepard will not willing let the Reapers win of his own volition.

[spotlessvoid]

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