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This is the kind of loose thinking I mentioned, guys. Above me right there.

Edit- Page turn fail. Well, let the dice fall where they may. I'm cool with looking like an imbecile.

NOW THEM POPPIES KIDS. GET TO IT.

PS-- the poppies in the wards are all over. But, the ones nearest the top, between Barla Von and the corridor into the rest of the wards, uniquely are accompanied by dust. In the sun glare, dust is visible. I'm calling it dust. Not spores. No sirree bob, because I checked downstairs and saw no such dust/spores anywhere. Don't get excited now.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I wonder what Hudson and Walters are doing right now. I mean, they've gone dark on Twitter, they haven't made ANY public appearances lately (Even when they were interviewed about the Extended Cut we didn't get to see their faces.), and they basically have been completely off the grid since June. What gives? My bet is that they're sitting somewhere laughing about everything and drinking champagne, celebrating their success at fooling everyone. Well, that's what I think they're doing from an IT perspective, anyway. :)

I'm wondering that too. I mean, here are some possibilities:
1. Bioware never intended IT: They're manipulative and materialistic. They're tricking us into buying DLC because we hope it will either confirm (or honestly deny) IT. Great.
2. They intended IT but won't ever confirm/deny it or realize it: Basically the same as #1. Not sure if worse than #1. Posted Image
3. They intend IT and will realize it: Well it is taking a while. I have enough patience to wait until the end of the DLC cycle, but many others don't. Whatever you're gonna do Bioware - do it fast.


The leviathan has given and revealed a lot more than i have hoped, and a lot sooner.  I say it will happen.  We're almost at the Priority: Earth time in the MP timeline. 

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Cheesemonke wrote...

Okay so the thread is so active even though I have been reading a ton it's possible I still missed people discussing it but how do we explain how Harbinger worked out as the first reaper as far it actually doing what the AI wants it to do? I mean for a reaper to work doesn't the "essence" of the civilization being pumped into the reaper need to first be indoctrinated? Leviathan even says that the process of indoctrination took many cycles to be refined and perfected so how were the Leviathan's indoctrinated by the "AI" they created to be used in the first reaper Harbinger? Unless the motives of the reapers and the leviathans truly do fall completely in line and Harbinger simply understood it's purpose right out of the gate on instinct. Or did the Leviathans somehow give the AI they created with the power of enthrallment that they posses? i wonder about this.

Well, I don't think they have to be indoctrinated to be "ascended". But it does raise a lot of questions as to how it all started, which is ironic, considering it was meant to do the opposite. Like: How did Harbinger harvest the first cycle on his own. There must have been other reapers, or Harby can use Enthrallment, which would be odd.


Well isn't that the point of indoctrinating a civilization before making them into a reaper? So that the minds of "essence" all agree with the doctrine of the reapers and instantly carry out their purpose without question as opposed to the minds resisting and not working together towards the same end a reaper fail if you will.

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Dani_saur wrote...

Hey guys, sorry to butt in but I had a question.

You know how after the EC there were investigative options with the Catalyst that supposedly shed more light on how the three choices worked? And how when you selected them there was a brief moment when they depicted scenes that happened during the ending you chose (the soldiers fighting on earth, the crucible firing, etc.), like flashforwards? Well, I just finished playing Leviathan through the ending (and was kind of upset that the only thing that changed was a couple of lines, but that's beside the point) and they weren't there anymore. All it did was show Shepard close her eyes and then the scene kind of stuttered a bit and they continued the conversation. I was just wondering if this was a bug or if they intentionally took the scenes out. I realize these flashforwards weren't amazing, spectacular evidence for IT or anything, but they did indicate something weird was happening in Shepard's mind. It's probably just a bug because it would be kind of strange for them to take out these scenes after they added them in with the EC. Anyway, just wondering if it happened to anyone else.




Yeah, for the Control descriptive scene it is obvious they just ripped it out. Looks glitchy now. Barely noticed anything for the destroy clip, but it's does glitch for a split second. I wonder why they pulled them after just putting htem in for the EC. Now it's sloppy.

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Sero303 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Just ignore him, like he ignores posts which prove him wrong :)

What's up?


he's mad cuz I took an extra 5 minutes to reply to a question...


Mate I was talking about Twilight God. Calm your horses for **** sake

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legaldinho wrote...

This is the kind of loose thinking I mentioned, guys. Above me right there.

lol you're on the top of the page. I do wonder though, if the people on this thread are too young and commited for your tastes, why are you here? Do you enjoy Twilight's posts so much that you must leech off of him while he leeches off of the IT thread?

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CoolioThane wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

he's mad cuz I took an extra 5 minutes to reply to a question...


Mate I was talking about Twilight God. Calm your horses for **** sake

 Like i said - Twillight God's third account - he just mixed up the windows. )))

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I barely ever post, franke, today was but an exceptionally productive/ leechy day.

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When should we expect the next SP DLC? And what will it be about?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Yes, it certainly is. Also, hello Byne! Good to "see" you. Also, what did you think of RvB?


I enjoyed it. I liked how it made Carolina seem more human instead of just the embodiment of ****iness.

Also, I liked how after Church showed her the logs, she stopped calling him Epsilon and started calling him Church. That was a nice touch.

Although, she needs to stop flirting with Church. It is getting in the way of my ideal pairing of Tucker and Carolina.

That was a nice touch. Did you notice the easter egg about the club York mentioned? Club Errera. Halo: Reach reference. I though it was nice when Caboose talked to Wash about them being friends. The way he said it, like it was undisputed, I don't know. I got the impression Wash may have taken a lot from that. He has been getting to like them better since he was introduced. Next up: Carolina. She's already started down that path too, as evidenced by what uou already said. That's just me though.


Yeah, it seems like the Reds and Blues, despite all their flaws, are showing the Wash and Carolina that not everyone is a lying, cheating, backstabbing ****bite.

I mean, when Carolina asked why she should trust the Reds and Blues when she couldnt even trust her own squad, I couldnt really think of any situation in which the Reds and Blues would ever betray her, or anyone on their teams.

I doubt that if it came down to it, Sarge would ever even actually kill Grif. If you noticed when the Reds and Blues fought the Meta, Sarge had a clear shot at the Meta, but didnt pull the trigger because Grif was hanging on his back and he might have shot him as well.

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demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I wonder what Hudson and Walters are doing right now. I mean, they've gone dark on Twitter, they haven't made ANY public appearances lately (Even when they were interviewed about the Extended Cut we didn't get to see their faces.), and they basically have been completely off the grid since June. What gives? My bet is that they're sitting somewhere laughing about everything and drinking champagne, celebrating their success at fooling everyone. Well, that's what I think they're doing from an IT perspective, anyway. :)

I'm wondering that too. I mean, here are some possibilities:
1. Bioware never intended IT: They're manipulative and materialistic. They're tricking us into buying DLC because we hope it will either confirm (or honestly deny) IT. Great.
2. They intended IT but won't ever confirm/deny it or realize it: Basically the same as #1. Not sure if worse than #1. Posted Image
3. They intend IT and will realize it: Well it is taking a while. I have enough patience to wait until the end of the DLC cycle, but many others don't. Whatever you're gonna do Bioware - do it fast.


The leviathan has given and revealed a lot more than i have hoped, and a lot sooner.  I say it will happen.  We're almost at the Priority: Earth time in the MP timeline. 

They like delaying :P They just did a useless MP weekend. They didn't even reveal the contents of the destroyer's memory core yet!

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Sigh. Twilight God, "dream" theory is as much speculation as yours. Bioware states it's a valid possibility, as I'm sure yours is. It's still an interpretation based on speculation, and if you state yours isn't then you're a pompous, arrogant ****. Lol

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The Twilight God wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

speculations = religion. Sure



Are you admitting dream theory is speculation?


Are you implying your "theory" isn't speculation?


Nob


Depands on what part of it you were talking about.

You never answered the question: Are you admitting dream theory is speculation?



You have won the whole internets. Go claim your prize

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paxxton wrote...

When should we expect the next SP DLC? And what will it be about?


I don't think it will be omega. Possibly something esle entirely.  And it should be here in less then two months. 

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Cheesemonke wrote...

Well isn't that the point of indoctrinating a civilization before making them into a reaper? So that the minds of "essence" all agree with the doctrine of the reapers and instantly carry out their purpose without question as opposed to the minds resisting and not working together towards the same end a reaper fail if you will.

Well, they didn't bother indoctrinating the colonists in ME2. And if they did indoctrinate them first, why was there a 90% resistance rate on the slaughter ships?

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paxxton wrote...

When should we expect the next SP DLC? And what will it be about?


Well they said read the comics for clues. Retake Omega is a guarantee. That much we know. I think that conspiracy blog page, if theres any truth to it, holds some good clues as to what might come out. 


http://conspiracyacc...ue.blogspot.ca/

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

They like delaying :P They just did a useless MP weekend. They didn't even reveal the contents of the destroyer's memory core yet!



Why do a meaningfull MP week-end, when you hava a BIG SP DLC about to come out. 

And besides - gathering troops isn't that useless - it means that the next one is going to be something big. 

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plfranke wrote...

Could it be possible that the entire story we heard in Leviathan is a lie?

Possible? Yes.
Likely? Probably not.

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OdanUrr wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Premise: Shepard wants to save the galaxy and stop the Reapers
Reasoning: The entire plot of the ME series, particularly of ME3.
Conclusion: Shepard will not willing let the Reapers win of his own volition.


Yes, Shepard wants to stop the Reapers. I still don't see how that ties to indoctrination though.:?


OK.

In your opinion, why does Shepard not stop the Reapers, but instead lets them win? Remember, this is ME universe.

Also, Tear this part. Tell me where did I go wrong?

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demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

When should we expect the next SP DLC? And what will it be about?


I don't think it will be omega. Possibly something esle entirely.  And it should be here in less then two months. 

So, new MP DLC next month. I'm really disappointed the 7 missing MP mods from the Earth DLC weren't added yesterday. It's been over a month! If they add them in the next MP DLC, I'll be pissed.

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demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

When should we expect the next SP DLC? And what will it be about?


I don't think it will be omega. Possibly something esle entirely.  And it should be here in less then two months. 


Very likely:
They DID start working on Leviathan shortly after ME3's release (source: blog.bioware.com/2012/08/29/from-the-desk-of-billy-buskell-creating-leviathan/). So, they probably began working on other DLC, too, as Mike sometime ago tweeted about them having a big team.

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I see certain people are insulting each other again, so I'll just go again.

#15748
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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Yes, it certainly is. Also, hello Byne! Good to "see" you. Also, what did you think of RvB?


I enjoyed it. I liked how it made Carolina seem more human instead of just the embodiment of ****iness.

Also, I liked how after Church showed her the logs, she stopped calling him Epsilon and started calling him Church. That was a nice touch.

Although, she needs to stop flirting with Church. It is getting in the way of my ideal pairing of Tucker and Carolina.

That was a nice touch. Did you notice the easter egg about the club York mentioned? Club Errera. Halo: Reach reference. I though it was nice when Caboose talked to Wash about them being friends. The way he said it, like it was undisputed, I don't know. I got the impression Wash may have taken a lot from that. He has been getting to like them better since he was introduced. Next up: Carolina. She's already started down that path too, as evidenced by what uou already said. That's just me though.


Yeah, it seems like the Reds and Blues, despite all their flaws, are showing the Wash and Carolina that not everyone is a lying, cheating, backstabbing ****bite.

I mean, when Carolina asked why she should trust the Reds and Blues when she couldnt even trust her own squad, I couldnt really think of any situation in which the Reds and Blues would ever betray her, or anyone on their teams.

I doubt that if it came down to it, Sarge would ever even actually kill Grif. If you noticed when the Reds and Blues fought the Meta, Sarge had a clear shot at the Meta, but didnt pull the trigger because Grif was hanging on his back and he might have shot him as well.

Hey, you're right! That was an awesome fight too. A lot of it was the music.

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estebanus wrote...

I see certain people are insulting each other again, so I'll just go again.

Hello Estebanusister!

#15750
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The Twilight God wrote...

Dani_saur wrote...

Hey guys, sorry to butt in but I had a question.

You know how after the EC there were investigative options with the Catalyst that supposedly shed more light on how the three choices worked? And how when you selected them there was a brief moment when they depicted scenes that happened during the ending you chose (the soldiers fighting on earth, the crucible firing, etc.), like flashforwards? Well, I just finished playing Leviathan through the ending (and was kind of upset that the only thing that changed was a couple of lines, but that's beside the point) and they weren't there anymore. All it did was show Shepard close her eyes and then the scene kind of stuttered a bit and they continued the conversation. I was just wondering if this was a bug or if they intentionally took the scenes out. I realize these flashforwards weren't amazing, spectacular evidence for IT or anything, but they did indicate something weird was happening in Shepard's mind. It's probably just a bug because it would be kind of strange for them to take out these scenes after they added them in with the EC. Anyway, just wondering if it happened to anyone else.




Yeah, for the Control descriptive scene it is obvious they just ripped it out. Looks glitchy now. Barely noticed anything for the destroy clip, but it's does glitch for a split second. I wonder why they pulled them after just putting htem in for the EC. Now it's sloppy.


Thanks for the clip :) I agree, it does look sloppy now. I didn't even notice it in destroy, but once I got to control I realized what they had done. It seems fishy that they edited them out. Not sure what their reasoning for that is.