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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

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When should we expect the next SP DLC? And what will it be about?


Well they said read the comics for clues. Retake Omega is a guarantee. That much we know. I think that conspiracy blog page, if theres any truth to it, holds some good clues as to what might come out. 


http://conspiracyacc...ue.blogspot.ca/



LOL  I like the part about NEW EVIDENCE!!!   ))))

also judging from this page - there is going to be a DLC about the salarians (maybe we'll get an answer as to why the reapers never attack THEM)  and a DLC involving Drell and Hanar.  - possibly it will be one DLC. 

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Please, continue to tell me how you're not being arrogant. Then you say you'll stay here just to spite us? Seriously? Now you've descended to the level of a schoolyard bully who has to be mean to others to satisfy their existence. I truly feel sorry for you. Please leave.


No, I'm here because I have as much right to be here as anyone else.

Are you done playing the victim yet?

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**** off

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The Twilight God wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Please, continue to tell me how you're not being arrogant. Then you say you'll stay here just to spite us? Seriously? Now you've descended to the level of a schoolyard bully who has to be mean to others to satisfy their existence. I truly feel sorry for you. Please leave.


No, I'm here because I have as much right to be here as anyone else.

Are you done playing the victim yet?


I dont think anyone is saying you dont have a right to be here, they're just saying they'd really rather you not be here.

Dont accuse others of playing the victim when you're kind of doing the same thing.

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demersel wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

paxxton wrote...

When should we expect the next SP DLC? And what will it be about?


Well they said read the comics for clues. Retake Omega is a guarantee. That much we know. I think that conspiracy blog page, if theres any truth to it, holds some good clues as to what might come out. 


http://conspiracyacc...ue.blogspot.ca/



LOL  I like the part about NEW EVIDENCE!!!   ))))

also judging from this page - there is going to be a DLC about the salarians (maybe we'll get an answer as to why the reapers never attack THEM)  and a DLC involving Drell and Hanar.  - possibly it will be one DLC. 


Salarians are the espionage experts of the galaxy. If any race has much to hide, its the salarians. Any DLC involving the hanar and drell are very welcome additions to the game. Those races get very little exposure in ME3. Whatever they decide to do, they need to bring back vehicle missions. 

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demersel wrote...

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When should we expect the next SP DLC? And what will it be about?


I don't think it will be omega. Possibly something esle entirely.  And it should be here in less then two months. 

2 months? I strongly doubt that after reading this: http://blog.bioware....ting-leviathan/. BioWare started work on Leviathan just after finishing the main game.

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 Oh! I see what you did there. Ok. Look at this - it is a jpg.

Behold! I give you the power of indoctrination!

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Modifié par demersel, 29 août 2012 - 10:51 .


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2 months? I strongly doubt that after reading this: http://blog.bioware....ting-leviathan/. BioWare started work on Leviathan just after finishing the main game.


And they have most likely started the work on the other DLC at the same time. 

Also, funny how this blog entry makes all their statements that they made everybody drop everything they were doing and make them work on the EC, and begin work on the DLC onle after the EC was done - somewhat less trustworthy. :happy:

Modifié par demersel, 29 août 2012 - 10:55 .


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**** off


If he's irritating enough to get you swearing then its best to ignore him. Ignoring someone can be as effective as dishing out a witty comeback.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

demersel wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

paxxton wrote...

When should we expect the next SP DLC? And what will it be about?


Well they said read the comics for clues. Retake Omega is a guarantee. That much we know. I think that conspiracy blog page, if theres any truth to it, holds some good clues as to what might come out. 


http://conspiracyacc...ue.blogspot.ca/



LOL  I like the part about NEW EVIDENCE!!!   ))))

also judging from this page - there is going to be a DLC about the salarians (maybe we'll get an answer as to why the reapers never attack THEM)  and a DLC involving Drell and Hanar.  - possibly it will be one DLC. 


Salarians are the espionage experts of the galaxy. If any race has much to hide, its the salarians. Any DLC involving the hanar and drell are very welcome additions to the game. Those races get very little exposure in ME3. Whatever they decide to do, they need to bring back vehicle missions. 

Is it the same League that hacked ANN?

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Yeah, if you're asking me where I got that link from.

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demersel wrote...

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2 months? I strongly doubt that after reading this: http://blog.bioware....ting-leviathan/. BioWare started work on Leviathan just after finishing the main game.


And they have most likely started the work on the other DLC at the same time. 

Also, funny how this blog entry makes all their statements that they made everybody drop everything they were doing and make them work on the EC, and begin work on the DLC onle after the EC was done - somewhat less trustworthy. :happy:

Well, they were prompty delayed my the EC. How much isn't known, but a little at least.

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legaldinho wrote...

Hey twilight, you seem like a smart guy. Since we're not arguing particle physics here, why not let this stuff go. A lot of the people in this thread are young and committed. So what if there are holes in their reasoning, you pointed them out, just leave it at that and move on. I like your posts, btw, and I too think dream theory was always dead (in the sense that a wake up DLC was around the corner). I did like a dream theory that required no further expansion, a Total Recall ending, as it were, but Extended Cut and Leviathan are showing that's not really a runner: they're going to keep expanding the endings until they've milked us out of our creds. In which case that leaves the face-value endings with an indoctrination interpretation of synthesis and control.

Still IT, but a lot less neat, because it's not a retcon.


It is of no concern to me how young or committed they are. This is a discussion forum. Hence, discussion ensues. That is I am doing; discussing IT theory. They are free to not reply to anythig I post. However, if they do step up to the plate I will meet them there.

legaldinho wrote...

Anyway, the point is, there is no absolute truth or fact in interpretation, there is but plausibility and fit.


There is also implausibility and not fitting.

An erroneous logic that permeates these forums is that something is valid for no other reason than that a person decides to believe it. This is not true. Not everything is equal. The water is wet theory and the water is dry theory are not mutually compatible or equally plausible. 

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Where is the Leviathan ship?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...
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Well, they were prompty delayed my the EC. How much isn't known, but a little at least.


Not much. I assure you. :innocent:

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I have a feeling the delay wasn't long. EC barely looked like it took a month to complete if you ask me. A few cut scenes that were already suposed to be in the original along with some epilogue slides don't come close to 6 months worth of work. 

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"The cycle will end, the Reapers will cease their harvest, and the civilizations preserved in their form will be connected to all of us."

This gave me the goosebumps. I'm pretty sure this line has been changed.

And it is.

This is the original line:

"The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life but we need each other to make it happen."

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Where is the Leviathan ship?


THe batarians had it - and it indoctrinated their leaders so they alienate other races so they were easy to harvest when the reapers arrived - to make the bulk of the initial reaper forces. 

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The Twilight God wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

Hey twilight, you seem like a smart guy. Since we're not arguing particle physics here, why not let this stuff go. A lot of the people in this thread are young and committed. So what if there are holes in their reasoning, you pointed them out, just leave it at that and move on. I like your posts, btw, and I too think dream theory was always dead (in the sense that a wake up DLC was around the corner). I did like a dream theory that required no further expansion, a Total Recall ending, as it were, but Extended Cut and Leviathan are showing that's not really a runner: they're going to keep expanding the endings until they've milked us out of our creds. In which case that leaves the face-value endings with an indoctrination interpretation of synthesis and control.

Still IT, but a lot less neat, because it's not a retcon.


It is of no concern to me how young or committed they are. This is a discussion forum. Hence, discussion ensues. That is I am doing; discussing IT theory. They are free to not reply to anythig I post. However, if they do step up to the plate I will meet them there.

legaldinho wrote...

Anyway, the point is, there is no absolute truth or fact in interpretation, there is but plausibility and fit.


There is also implausibility and not fitting.

An erroneous logic that permeates these forums is that something is valid for no other reason than that a person decides to believe it. This is not true. Not everything is equal. The water is wet theory and the water is dry theory are not mutually compatible or equally plausible. 



I meant plausibility and fit as measures of theories. That implies implausibility and lack of fit.

So yes, you're right, some theories are better than others and "lalalalalala" just won't do. My point simply was that since there's no absolute truth- not until something is canon, if it is- why get so agitated over it? Just make your points and drop the whole " I challenge thee" act. I say so with the utmost respect. I really like your posts, I don't want you to go away... but some of the regulars on here have grown quite inflexible with outsiders, and a sort of mob mentality takes over unless you temper your posts and simply make your points.

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Yeah, if you're asking me where I got that link from.

Lol. I had no idea the Mass Effect ARG rose to such an extent. A blog?

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I have a feeling the delay wasn't long. EC barely looked like it took a month to complete if you ask me. A few cut scenes that were already suposed to be in the original along with some epilogue slides don't come close to 6 months worth of work. 

Is there anyone here who has the knowledge to definitively say whether or not what we saw in the ec was actually 1.8 gigs? I don't, but just from playing it, it seems like Leviathan would have taken significantly more effort to make, it seemed like much more content, yet it was smaller than the ec.

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demersel wrote...

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Where is the Leviathan ship?


THe batarians had it - and it indoctrinated their leaders so they alienate other races so they were easy to harvest when the reapers arrived - to make the bulk of the initial reaper forces. 

Actually I meant how did the Leviathans get onto that planet/how do they get off? But since you brought it up: How did they kill the reaper that was thought to be the Leviathan of Dis?

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Hydrogen gas forms explosive mixtures with air if it is 4–74% concentrated and with chlorine if it is 5–95% concentrated.

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legaldinho wrote...

This is the kind of loose thinking I mentioned, guys. Above me right there.

Edit- Page turn fail. Well, let the dice fall where they may. I'm cool with looking like an imbecile.

NOW THEM POPPIES KIDS. GET TO IT.

PS-- the poppies in the wards are all over. But, the ones nearest the top, between Barla Von and the corridor into the rest of the wards, uniquely are accompanied by dust. In the sun glare, dust is visible. I'm calling it dust. Not spores. No sirree bob, because I checked downstairs and saw no such dust/spores anywhere. Don't get excited now.


And someone else said that they were also in Udina's office. So, really, nearly every place on the Citadel that has plants also has the poppies. I'm going to go ahead and assume they're similar enough to Opium Poppies to make a connection.

Short version: Opium is an extremely addictive, psychoactive drug that causes, among other things, relaxation, a decrease of pain/anxiety, and decreased alertness. It has been used many times in history, including for medicinal purposes,, but most notably in China, where the British smuggled it in and sold it for a long time, causing many people to get addicted. When the Chinese tried to stop it, the British declared war and easily defeated China due to both China's low technology level and the fact that the Chinese had been greatly weakened by opium use.

What do you guys think? A drug that decreases alertness, causes relaxtion, led to the temporary fall of a country that used to dominate its part of the world, and just so happens to look like a plant common on the Citadel that Bioware seemed to try and point out in Leviathan. A hint at something or am I just grasping at straws?