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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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From the blog: "I have tried to contact Admiral Hackett myself, but he won’t return my calls. WHY NOT?! Is it because he’s HIDING SOMETHING?"

ROTFL.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

This is the kind of loose thinking I mentioned, guys. Above me right there.

Edit- Page turn fail. Well, let the dice fall where they may. I'm cool with looking like an imbecile.

NOW THEM POPPIES KIDS. GET TO IT.

PS-- the poppies in the wards are all over. But, the ones nearest the top, between Barla Von and the corridor into the rest of the wards, uniquely are accompanied by dust. In the sun glare, dust is visible. I'm calling it dust. Not spores. No sirree bob, because I checked downstairs and saw no such dust/spores anywhere. Don't get excited now.


And someone else said that they were also in Udina's office. So, really, nearly every place on the Citadel that has plants also has the poppies. I'm going to go ahead and assume they're similar enough to Opium Poppies to make a connection.

Short version: Opium is an extremely addictive, psychoactive drug that causes, among other things, relaxation, a decrease of pain/anxiety, and decreased alertness. It has been used many times in history, including for medicinal purposes,, but most notably in China, where the British smuggled it in and sold it for a long time, causing many people to get addicted. When the Chinese tried to stop it, the British declared war and easily defeated China due to both China's low technology level and the fact that the Chinese had been greatly weakened by opium use.

What do you guys think? A drug that decreases alertness, causes relaxtion, led to the temporary fall of a country that used to dominate its part of the world, and just so happens to look like a plant common on the Citadel that Bioware seemed to try and point out in Leviathan. A hint at something or am I just grasping at straws?

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demersel wrote...

Hydrogen gas forms explosive mixtures with air if it is 4–74% concentrated and with chlorine if it is 5–95% concentrated.

Awesome! Please elaborate on intention.

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plfranke wrote...

Is there anyone here who has the knowledge to definitively say whether or not what we saw in the ec was actually 1.8 gigs? I don't, but just from playing it, it seems like Leviathan would have taken significantly more effort to make, it seemed like much more content, yet it was smaller than the ec.


Yes. the 1.8 gig size is very strange. 
ME3 in total was like 12 gigs. 

My ME3 folder is 15 gigs right now.
It icludes the liviathan (1.6 gigs,) the EC - 1.8 gigs, and all the multyplayer DLCs. 


So 1.8 gigs is almost 1/6 - 1/7 of the game. 

Modifié par demersel, 29 août 2012 - 11:11 .


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demersel wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Is there anyone here who has the knowledge to definitively say whether or not what we saw in the ec was actually 1.8 gigs? I don't, but just from playing it, it seems like Leviathan would have taken significantly more effort to make, it seemed like much more content, yet it was smaller than the ec.


Yes. the 1.8 gig size is very strange. 
ME3 in total was like 12 gigs. 

My ME3 folder is 15 gigs right now.
It icludes the liviathan (1.6 gigs,) the EC - 1.8 gigs, and all the multyplayer DLCs. 

ME3 - 10GB
Leviathan - 1.5GB

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

Hydrogen gas forms explosive mixtures with air if it is 4–74% concentrated and with chlorine if it is 5–95% concentrated.

Awesome! Please elaborate on intention.


No. Speculations for everyone. 

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CoolioThane wrote...

Sigh. Twilight God, "dream" theory is as much speculation as yours. Bioware states it's a valid possibility, as I'm sure yours is. It's still an interpretation based on speculation, and if you state yours isn't then you're a pompous, arrogant ****. Lol


A possibility is not a solid theory.

It's possible that the entire trilogy takes place in someone's head and he never woke up after Eden Prime. The beginning parts before the beacon are a futher manifestation of the delusion. ME takes place in the mind of a person in the next cycle who is living out the memories of a past culture. They wake up and then informs everyone that the Reapers are coming. Shepard memories are the accounting of the reaper war.

I can list every graphical glitch, artistic choice and resued texture throughout the entire series as evidence that it's all a dream.

It is conceiveable? Yes. Possible? Yes, it's a video game.

Does that make it equal to IT-Con in terms of logic and reasoning? No. 
Does that make it narratively consistent? No
Does it make it thematically consistent? No

Why? Becaus it's a handwave. It requires no proof of any kind as it handwaves away the entire universe. It's not so much a theory as it is a baseless claim. 

I say my conclusion is based on logical deduction. You say it's pure conjecture. I challeneg you to demonstrate how it is conjecture. If you do not do this I can only surmise you cannot. If you cannot you are in no position to continue making the claim. It makes you a blowhard. All talk. It's easy to simply claim something is speculation. It's another thing altogether to demonstrate it's speculation. So, my take on people lilke you is "put up or shut up".

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The EC's size remains a mystery.

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paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Is there anyone here who has the knowledge to definitively say whether or not what we saw in the ec was actually 1.8 gigs? I don't, but just from playing it, it seems like Leviathan would have taken significantly more effort to make, it seemed like much more content, yet it was smaller than the ec.


Yes. the 1.8 gig size is very strange. 
ME3 in total was like 12 gigs. 

My ME3 folder is 15 gigs right now.
It icludes the liviathan (1.6 gigs,) the EC - 1.8 gigs, and all the multyplayer DLCs. 

ME3 - 10GB
Leviathan - 1.5GB

I find Leviathan's size somewhat plausible, but the ec being larger than leviathan and almost 1/5 of me3 with no dlc, incredibly strange.

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I tweeted Mike Gamble about how Leviathan doesn't really answer any questions about reaper origin. At least, the best I could in 140 characters. :P Will reply later if I get a response.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 29 août 2012 - 11:15 .


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Why is there an Advertisment poster with Jack's face - in the presidium commons?

Why does the Purgatory advertisment poster has the same oily shodows all over it as you get in the ending when illusive man controls shepard, and why doesn't Avina have any info about this bar?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

I tweeted Mike Gamble about how Leviathan doesn't really answer any questions about reaper origin. At least, the best I could in 140 characters :P Will reply later if I get a response.

I tweeted him as well, but I have to say I forsee a dlc in the future with a true conversation with Harbinger, where he himself explains to you the truth about their origins.

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demersel wrote...

Why is there an Advertisment poster with Jack's face - in the presidium commons?

Why does the Purgatory advertisment poster has the same oily shodows all over it as you get in the ending when illusive man controls shepard, and why doesn't Avina have any info about this bar?

1. I have no idea, but it's in London too. Probably just reuse.
2. I have no idea
3. I had a reason for this, but forget :P

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 29 août 2012 - 11:17 .


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Isn't IT all the same, well it is to me hahaha

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spotlessvoid wrote...

You have won the whole internets. Go claim your prize


Typical evasive comments indicative of a person who knows they've bitten off more than they can chew. I'll take that as a yes.

Well, I'm saying my core tenants of my theory are not speculative. Feel free to disbute that claim. Although we both know you could not, cannot and will not be able to. Ergo, between you and me, my thesis is not speculatory. You can arbitrarily claim whatever you want, but your inability to back it up is indicative of your true comprehension of the situation.

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plfranke wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I tweeted Mike Gamble about how Leviathan doesn't really answer any questions about reaper origin. At least, the best I could in 140 characters :P Will reply later if I get a response.

I tweeted him as well, but I have to say I forsee a dlc in the future with a true conversation with Harbinger, where he himself explains to you the truth about their origins.

I want Harbinger back almost as much as I want closure for Shepard's LI/squad. Posted Image

PREPARE YOURSELVES FOR THE ARRIVAL. Posted Image

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High-purity liquid O2 is a highly reactive substance and must be segregated from combustible materials.

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byne wrote...

I dont think anyone is saying you dont have a right to be here, they're just saying they'd really rather you not be here.

Dont accuse others of playing the victim when you're kind of doing the same thing.



I'd really rather they calmed themselves, but we don't always get what we want. A I have never played the victim. I have no reason to as I am confident in my veiws and don't have to make excuses to back out of losing situations.

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The Twilight God wrote...

core tenants of my theory


You have people living in your theory?

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When I read that conspiracy blog I cant help but think of Subject 16 from Assassins Creed

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plfranke wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Is there anyone here who has the knowledge to definitively say whether or not what we saw in the ec was actually 1.8 gigs? I don't, but just from playing it, it seems like Leviathan would have taken significantly more effort to make, it seemed like much more content, yet it was smaller than the ec.


Yes. the 1.8 gig size is very strange. 
ME3 in total was like 12 gigs. 

My ME3 folder is 15 gigs right now.
It icludes the liviathan (1.6 gigs,) the EC - 1.8 gigs, and all the multyplayer DLCs. 

ME3 - 10GB
Leviathan - 1.5GB

I find Leviathan's size somewhat plausible, but the ec being larger than leviathan and almost 1/5 of me3 with no dlc, incredibly strange.

Consider how short the ec was and how diverse and full with content leviathan is.

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byne wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

core tenants of my theory


You have people living in your theory?

I'll lead the rescue team! Quick! Gear up Byne! And bring anyone else you can! This is gonna be one hell of a fight!

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The Twilight God wrote...
Well, I'm saying my core tenants of my theory are not speculative. Feel free to disbute that claim. Although we both know you could not, cannot and will not be able to. Ergo, between you and me, my thesis is not speculatory. You can arbitrarily claim whatever you want, but your inability to back it up is indicative of your true comprehension of the situation. 


Ok. My thesis is, that you're a dick.
Now prove me wrong. 

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The Twilight God wrote...

byne wrote...

I dont think anyone is saying you dont have a right to be here, they're just saying they'd really rather you not be here.

Dont accuse others of playing the victim when you're kind of doing the same thing.



I'd really rather they calmed themselves, but we don't always get what we want. A I have never played the victim. I have no reason to as I am confident in my veiws and don't have to make excuses to back out of losing situations.

I've been ignoring all of Twilight's posts but I did read this one, because I saw Byne's name. I think the reason people don't like you and have given up on arguing with you isn't because you're points are so great, it's because you can't argue your way out of a paper bag, you just ignore arguments that beat yours (like claiming not to playing the victim even though you clearly are) and then back up your ignorance by saying you're just that confident.

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The two days I am gone, and I find we are booming pages left from right. Well I guess it was do to Leviathan, and the husk head.

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