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[demersel]

 This is also very interesting.... we live in exciting time. 

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The best-studied algorithms for collective behavior in animals are those that regulate spatial patterns, based on local interactions that influence whether one animal stays close to another ]. Social insect colonies provide many fascinating examples of collective behavior. There is no central control; no insect directs the behavior of another. Like other social insects, ants use local interactions to regulate colony behavior
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We found that correlations between observed rates of returning foragers and simulated rates of outgoing foragers, using our model, were similar to those in the data.  

www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1002670

Modifié par demersel, 30 août 2012 - 12:04 .

[plfranke]

So if every dlc alters the ending, is anyone else dreading the idea of having to play through the cerberus base and priority earth over and over again. I have a small hope, because of how odd that is, that at some point both of those missions will be redone somehow. Also, because I simply can't stomach playing through them anymore.

[jgibson14352]

its my opinion that the Leviathan are WAY too big a storyline for DLC alone. either elaborate or never put them in there in the first place. WAY more questions and almost 0 answers, and WAY too many possibilities.

[plfranke]

jgibson14352 wrote...

its my opinion that the Leviathan are WAY too big a storyline for DLC alone. either elaborate or never put them in there in the first place. WAY more questions and almost 0 answers, and WAY too many possibilities.

Yeah and his answer about the crucible just made me facepalm. Does no one know what this thing does? Did the creators of the Crucible even know what it was going to do or did they just start putting a bunch of things together and documenting it step by step.

[TJBartlemus]

 (what I type is going to be messy so bear with me) So I watched the leviathan dlc yesterday and I am still trying to figure out what I saw. (I have some interesting notes from the middle portion but they are on my computor and Won't be able to get till tomarrow.) This is what i got out of the dlc. first off the reaper indoctrination is the synthetic imperfect form of leviathan indoctrination. Reaper version causes irreparable damage while leviathan version doesn't necessarily cause damage. So the origin of the reapers is 100 percent true,as I thought, but doesn't mean that the catalyst speaks the whole truth. (hopefully the trolls realize this) Only 1 reaper is made per cycle...don't know what to make that. It is now proven that the catalyst is a reaper AI that isn't necessarily rogue but priorities are flawed. It also proves that there is a master AI but is yet to be proven that he is in the citadel...though is likely.

Interesting thing too Is that the catalyst doesn't ascend organics for our benefit but for its benefit as for it seeks true understanding of organics and believes that the only way is through synthesis. 

Symbolism big in the journey in the ocean. descending in the ocean is like descending into shepards mind in the end. Shepard speaks to a being that is related to the reapers. Stuff like that. 

So thats what i got out of it, minus my awesome notes. Someone please tell me if i got anything wrong and please explain it to me. I am still trying to figure out what i saw..Regarding to the IT I really don't think that it changes much or really even anything. Other than the confusedness I think BioWare added some pretty cool new things to ME. :happy:

[BansheeOwnage]

plfranke wrote...

So if every dlc alters the ending, is anyone else dreading the idea of having to play through the cerberus base and priority earth over and over again. I have a small hope, because of how odd that is, that at some point both of those missions will be redone somehow. Also, because I simply can't stomach playing through them anymore.

It gets annoying huh? Bioware really wants us to play those generally-accepted-as-bad endings! The only good explanation I can think of is they want everyone to "get" it. IT maybe? If that's not what they're doing, I just don't know.

[plfranke]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So if every dlc alters the ending, is anyone else dreading the idea of having to play through the cerberus base and priority earth over and over again. I have a small hope, because of how odd that is, that at some point both of those missions will be redone somehow. Also, because I simply can't stomach playing through them anymore.

It gets annoying huh? Bioware really wants us to play those generally-accepted-as-bad endings! The only good explanation I can think of is they want everyone to "get" it. IT maybe? If that's not what they're doing, I just don't know.

especially just to hear one line of dialogue change at the end. I swear I facepalmed when the catalyst said "good I welcome their involvement." it was like so do I where are they!

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Sup guy!!! First thoughts about the Leviathan DlC...confusion and WTF BioWare!?!? Could someone gI've my a quick version of the last 40 -50 pages? Something for me think about cause i saw almost nothing relating to the IT. Though I did only see it once so far and it was on youtube... Currently on iPod and can't use computer till tomarro afternoon so I can catch up on all the posts. :/ I will have my analysis on the Lev DlC in a sec. Takes a bit to text on this.

Hey TJ! Nothing changed really. Leviathan raises many more questions than it answers, and although mentioning an "intelligence" doesn't confirm or deny IT. There are several hints at IT though. Like the resemblance of the Leviathan hallucination and the end. I'll just quote Rifneno:

Leviathan's indoctrination bears a lot of resemblance to the ending. Shepard blacks out and wakes up in a surreal environment on his knees as Levy appears as a person it pulled from Shepard's mind. They have a conversation full of stupidity and bad logic then Shepard wakes up in the real world with a gasp.
- Rifneno

I bolded that part to remind you that Shepard ends up in the same position at the catalyst chamber.

Cool at least I am not the only one that saw that:lol: I remember Jessica saying something about something cool for IT supporters? Where was that? Also I agree control is now 100% BS as a choice now. Shep would control the Reapers and then would be taken over by the Leviathans and give a potential enemy tools to enslave the galaxy. Yeah. No thanks.

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 (what I type is going to be messy so bear with me) So I watched the leviathan dlc yesterday and I am still trying to figure out what I saw. (I have some interesting notes from the middle portion but they are on my computor and Won't be able to get till tomarrow.) This is what i got out of the dlc. first off the reaper indoctrination is the synthetic imperfect form of leviathan indoctrination. Reaper version causes irreparable damage while leviathan version doesn't necessarily cause damage. So the origin of the reapers is 100 percent true,as I thought, but doesn't mean that the catalyst speaks the whole truth. (hopefully the trolls realize this) Only 1 reaper is made per cycle...don't know what to make that. It is now proven that the catalyst is a reaper AI that isn't necessarily rogue but priorities are flawed. It also proves that there is a master AI but is yet to be proven that he is in the citadel...though is likely.

Interesting thing too Is that the catalyst doesn't ascend organics for our benefit but for its benefit as for it seeks true understanding of organics and believes that the only way is through synthesis. 

Symbolism big in the journey in the ocean. descending in the ocean is like descending into shepards mind in the end. Shepard speaks to a being that is related to the reapers. Stuff like that. 

So thats what i got out of it, minus my awesome notes. Someone please tell me if i got anything wrong and please explain it to me. I am still trying to figure out what i saw..Regarding to the IT I really don't think that it changes much or really even anything. Other than the confusedness I think BioWare added some pretty cool new things to ME. :happy:

I'm pretty good at finding flaws in things! (Go figure why I'm in this thread )  I'll have a go at you!
1. We already knew there was only 1 new one per cycle. It has interesting implications, but it's not new.
2. About imperfect synthetic indoc: Well, Leviathan acted more like reaper indoc is better than theirs. Which is weird.
3. The "intelligence" mentioned could be anything, including but not necessarily the starkid.

[The Twilight God]

plfranke wrote...

To be fair I know only what I've been told so as a token of good faith how about you tell me about your theory.

It's a nice size read. If you're interested.

[OdanUrr]

The Twilight God wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Premise: Shepard wants to save the galaxy and stop the Reapers
Reasoning: The entire plot of the ME series, particularly of ME3.
Conclusion: Shepard will not willing let the Reapers win of his own volition.

Yes, Shepard wants to stop the Reapers. I still don't see how that ties to indoctrination though.

OK.

In your opinion, why does Shepard not stop the Reapers, but instead lets them win? Remember, this is ME universe.

Also, Tear this part. Tell me where did I go wrong?

How does Shepard let the Reapers win? Doesn't he stop them in three out of four scenarios?

[BansheeOwnage]

plfranke wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So if every dlc alters the ending, is anyone else dreading the idea of having to play through the cerberus base and priority earth over and over again. I have a small hope, because of how odd that is, that at some point both of those missions will be redone somehow. Also, because I simply can't stomach playing through them anymore.

It gets annoying huh? Bioware really wants us to play those generally-accepted-as-bad endings! The only good explanation I can think of is they want everyone to "get" it. IT maybe? If that's not what they're doing, I just don't know.

especially just to hear one line of dialogue change at the end. I swear I facepalmed when the catalyst said "good I welcome their involvement." it was like so do I where are they!

Me too. I bet 99.9% of people did too. I know I'm just guessing on that, but if BW really does want to please the majority of fans it could do so easily.

[BansheeOwnage]

OdanUrr wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Premise: Shepard wants to save the galaxy and stop the Reapers
Reasoning: The entire plot of the ME series, particularly of ME3.
Conclusion: Shepard will not willing let the Reapers win of his own volition.

Yes, Shepard wants to stop the Reapers. I still don't see how that ties to indoctrination though.

OK.

In your opinion, why does Shepard not stop the Reapers, but instead lets them win? Remember, this is ME universe.

Also, Tear this part. Tell me where did I go wrong?

How does Shepard let the Reapers win? Doesn't he stop them in three out of four scenarios?

If taken literally, no. in 3/4 of them, the reapers live/are not stopped.

[TJBartlemus]

Really the biggest question the dlc gives me is "Why the f*** did they make a DLC that told us stuff we already know!?!?!" Sure in reality all it did was add some confirmations on things that were questionable before, some new mechanics, new scenery, new battles and what the originals looked like. That's it.

Also what's up with James and the husky like soldier head? He also got bit...possible transfer of reaper nanides ? Also you can put it in your cabin...well victims of indoctrination become conduits of the reaper signal...so there is a proven reaper signal in Shepard cabin...hmmmm...

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Really the biggest question the dlc gives me is "Why the f*** did they make a DLC that told us stuff we already know!?!?!" Sure in reality all it did was add some confirmations on things that were questionable before, some new mechanics, new scenery, new battles and what the originals looked like. That's it.

It's weird. Mike Gamble said we didn't know that half of it. I guess he was right; we know like 95% of it

I actually tweeted him about that. Will reply later if he responds. I'm going to eat, see you later!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 août 2012 - 12:23 .

[The Twilight God]

OdanUrr wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Premise: Shepard wants to save the galaxy and stop the Reapers
Reasoning: The entire plot of the ME series, particularly of ME3.
Conclusion: Shepard will not willing let the Reapers win of his own volition.

Yes, Shepard wants to stop the Reapers. I still don't see how that ties to indoctrination though.

OK.

In your opinion, why does Shepard not stop the Reapers, but instead lets them win? Remember, this is ME universe.

Also, Tear this part. Tell me where did I go wrong?

How does Shepard let the Reapers win? Doesn't he stop them in three out of four scenarios?

No. But that is besides the point.

We are talking about one ending. In Refuse, Shepard let's the Reapers win. The Reapers continue the cycle and everyone you know and love dies. Can I will assume you can find no fault with this?

So why do you believe Shepard let's the Reapers win when it is within his capability to stop them?

Modifié par The Twilight God, 30 août 2012 - 12:26 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

masster blaster wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

When I read that conspiracy blog I cant help but think of Subject 16 from Assassins Creed

link please.

http://conspiracyacc...ue.blogspot.ca/ 

[ZerebusPrime]

Lokanaiya wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

This is the kind of loose thinking I mentioned, guys. Above me right there.

Edit- Page turn fail. Well, let the dice fall where they may. I'm cool with looking like an imbecile.

NOW THEM POPPIES KIDS. GET TO IT.

PS-- the poppies in the wards are all over. But, the ones nearest the top, between Barla Von and the corridor into the rest of the wards, uniquely are accompanied by dust. In the sun glare, dust is visible. I'm calling it dust. Not spores. No sirree bob, because I checked downstairs and saw no such dust/spores anywhere. Don't get excited now.

And someone else said that they were also in Udina's office. So, really, nearly every place on the Citadel that has plants also has the poppies. I'm going to go ahead and assume they're similar enough to Opium Poppies to make a connection.

Short version: Opium is an extremely addictive, psychoactive drug that causes, among other things, relaxation, a decrease of pain/anxiety, and decreased alertness. It has been used many times in history, including for medicinal purposes,, but most notably in China, where the British smuggled it in and sold it for a long time, causing many people to get addicted. When the Chinese tried to stop it, the British declared war and easily defeated China due to both China's low technology level and the fact that the Chinese had been greatly weakened by opium use.

What do you guys think? A drug that decreases alertness, causes relaxtion, led to the temporary fall of a country that used to dominate its part of the world, and just so happens to look like a plant common on the Citadel that Bioware seemed to try and point out in Leviathan. A hint at something or am I just grasping at straws?

Ok, so let's say, for the moment, that these flowers were planted with malicious intent.  Anyone remember the Avina conversation in the Presidium Commons regarding how Udina donated much of the flora used to redecorate the Presidium in the wake of Sovereign's attack?

[CoolioThane]

He can let the Reapers win this cycle to give the next cycle a good chance of 100% real conventional victory. With the choices he offers they can all be traps. There.

[paxxton]

plfranke wrote...

So if every dlc alters the ending, is anyone else dreading the idea of having to play through the cerberus base and priority earth over and over again. I have a small hope, because of how odd that is, that at some point both of those missions will be redone somehow. Also, because I simply can't stomach playing through them anymore.

Heh. I was thinking along the same lines. Hope BioWare is going to enhance the missions (especially Cerberus HQ cause London is still so cool).

[CoolioThane]

So you admit your theory is speculation?

[paxxton]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Really the biggest question the dlc gives me is "Why the f*** did they make a DLC that told us stuff we already know!?!?!" Sure in reality all it did was add some confirmations on things that were questionable before, some new mechanics, new scenery, new battles and what the originals looked like. That's it.

Also what's up with James and the husky like soldier head? He also got bit...possible transfer of reaper nanides ? Also you can put it in your cabin...well victims of indoctrination become conduits of the reaper signal...so there is a proven reaper signal in Shepard cabin...hmmmm...

LOL. The huskhead is a toy. You can actually take/steal it to your cabin. I didn't like that head so I left it in the lab.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 août 2012 - 12:39 .

[TJBartlemus]

Well...I am going to leave or lurk for a bit. I should have my computor tomorrow so those notes will be interesting to share. Till then!!!

[demersel]

 Guys and gals, I don't know about you, but each time I take my ME3 disk out of the box, this picture taunts me. 
https://encrypted-tb...Sw5XjuEIdvXGVPZ
It is so in-your-face, it actually hurts. 
I mean COME ON - IT IS ON THE BOX!
They could have put anything there. Anything. They even could have put nothing at all like they did with ME2, but nooo, they chose to put THIS on the box. 

Modifié par demersel, 30 août 2012 - 12:45 .

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

 Guys and gals, I don't know about you, but each time I take my ME3 disk out of the box, this picture taunts me. 
https://encrypted-tb...Sw5XjuEIdvXGVPZ
It is so in-your-face, it actually hurts. 
I mean COME ON - IT IS ON THE BOX!
They could have put anything there. Anything. They even could have put nothing at all like they did with ME2, but nooo, they chose to put THIS on the box. 

I presume you own a CE.