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[Codename_Code]

I'm still confused as hell by the DLC, but I don't think the Leviathan mind control process is indoctrination as we know it. They get in the mind, and they can "assume direct control", but this is like a brute force process since people gets dull, not themselves anymore, and then they cant remember anything. Reaper indoctrination behaves more like indoctrination, they brain wash the person, and leaves the personality intact for a while.

I dont think the leviathan is trying to control shepard at the end, I dont know why but it is just trying to talk with shepard in her mind. If they would have tried to control shepard, she would have been easily controlled, or she would have forgotten everything afterwards.

About the leviathans being oppressed by the intelligence... I really don't understand it. The leviathans constructed a reaper ? or created an indoctrination device that indoctrinate them to jump in the synth machine ?... or ... my head hurts.

Modifié par Codename_Code, 30 août 2012 - 12:52 .

[plfranke]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Guys and gals, I don't know about you, but each time I take my ME3 disk out of the box, this picture taunts me. 
https://encrypted-tb...Sw5XjuEIdvXGVPZ
It is so in-your-face, it actually hurts. 
I mean COME ON - IT IS ON THE BOX!
They could have put anything there. Anything. They even could have put nothing at all like they did with ME2, but nooo, they chose to put THIS on the box. 

I presume you own a CE.

You know what would be epic? If Shepard saved the player, that would be amazing. Like you choose to pick synthesis, but instead Shepard disobeys you and gives an epic speech about morales and stopping the Reapers. Alass Bioware will never make it happen.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Guys and gals, I don't know about you, but each time I take my ME3 disk out of the box, this picture taunts me. 
https://encrypted-tb...Sw5XjuEIdvXGVPZ
It is so in-your-face, it actually hurts. 
I mean COME ON - IT IS ON THE BOX!
They could have put anything there. Anything. They even could have put nothing at all like they did with ME2, but nooo, they chose to put THIS on the box. 

I presume you own a CE.

I do. 

[demersel]

plfranke wrote...
You know what would be epic? If Shepard saved the player, that would be amazing. Like you choose to pick synthesis, but instead Shepard disobeys you and gives an epic speech about morales and stopping the Reapers. Alass Bioware will never make it happen.

Indeed, that would be very neat. 

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

plfranke wrote...
You know what would be epic? If Shepard saved the player, that would be amazing. Like you choose to pick synthesis, but instead Shepard disobeys you and gives an epic speech about morales and stopping the Reapers. Alass Bioware will never make it happen.

Indeed, that would be very neat. 

I disagree. If Shepard is supposed to represent the player, it doesn't make sense to do that. He could make a speech or someone else could tell him that but in the end the player should decide.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

plfranke wrote...
You know what would be epic? If Shepard saved the player, that would be amazing. Like you choose to pick synthesis, but instead Shepard disobeys you and gives an epic speech about morales and stopping the Reapers. Alass Bioware will never make it happen.

Indeed, that would be very neat. 

I disagree. If Shepard is supposed to represent the player, it doesn't make sense to do that. He could make a speech or someone else could tell him that but in the end the player should decide.

Yes. That too. The player should save Shepard.  

[plfranke]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

plfranke wrote...
You know what would be epic? If Shepard saved the player, that would be amazing. Like you choose to pick synthesis, but instead Shepard disobeys you and gives an epic speech about morales and stopping the Reapers. Alass Bioware will never make it happen.

Indeed, that would be very neat. 

I disagree. If Shepard is supposed to represent the player, it doesn't make sense to do that. He could make a speech or someone else could tell him that but in the end the player should decide.

The player does not get to decide things that go against Shepard's belief system prior to the ending. Evidence is that you never once get to support TIM even if you were totally pro Cerberus all the way through ME2. If we're going to go by your logic (and I actually agree with you, except all of me3 breaks it anyway with what I just mentioned) you should get to join Cerberus, or refuse to build the crucible on the grounds that it's idiotic to put all your eggs in a basket that no one understands.

[paxxton]

plfranke wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

plfranke wrote...
You know what would be epic? If Shepard saved the player, that would be amazing. Like you choose to pick synthesis, but instead Shepard disobeys you and gives an epic speech about morales and stopping the Reapers. Alass Bioware will never make it happen.

Indeed, that would be very neat. 

I disagree. If Shepard is supposed to represent the player, it doesn't make sense to do that. He could make a speech or someone else could tell him that but in the end the player should decide.

The player does not get to decide things that go against Shepard's belief system prior to the ending. Evidence is that you never once get to support TIM even if you were totally pro Cerberus all the way through ME2. If we're going to go by your logic (and I actually agree with you, except all of me3 breaks it anyway with what I just mentioned) you should get to join Cerberus, or refuse to build the crucible on the grounds that it's idiotic to put all your eggs in a basket that no one understands.

Yeah, ME3 imposes the correct way Shepard should behave too often. I guess during a war there's not much room for doubt and unconstrained choice.

[GethPrimeMKII]

I had this crazy idea that if this "Shepard siding with Cerberus" idea got popular enough they'd release it as DLC. Much like the Dark Spawn Chronicles.

[spotlessvoid]

The Twilight God wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

You have won the whole internets. Go claim your prize

Typical evasive comments indicative of a person who knows they've bitten off more than they can chew. I'll take that as a yes.

Well, I'm saying my core tenants of my theory are not speculative. Feel free to disbute that claim. Although we both know you could not, cannot and will not be able to. Ergo, between you and me, my thesis is not speculatory. You can arbitrarily claim whatever you want, but your inability to back it up is indicative of your true comprehension of the situation.

I am the Twilight God. All that you see before you is my kingdom. Tremble beneath my intellect. 

[The Twilight God]

paxxton wrote...

Yeah, ME3 imposes the correct way Shepard should behave too often. I guess during a war there's not much room for doubt and unconstrained choice.

ME3's dialog is akin DA2. The autodialog is based on previous chosen dialog within the curretn conversation or renegade/paragon alignment. Shepard assumes a tone consistent with your prior inclinations.

[masster blaster]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I had this crazy idea that if this "Shepard siding with Cerberus" idea got popular enough they'd release it as DLC. Much like the Dark Spawn Chronicles.

Maybe it would be nice to see my Paragon Shepard join Cerberus, and betray everone my Shepard loved, and cared for.

" You either die a hero, or live long enough to see your self become the villan."

Modifié par masster blaster, 30 août 2012 - 01:25 .

[jgibson14352]

while theres still some mention of the CE; somebody tell me, is anybody else scared of their tin case? every time i put my disc away, and they snap into place, i can never get them back out without literally almost breaking them. its impossible to pull out unless i bend it in half and almost yank, its freaking terrifying.

[spotlessvoid]

I wonder what their dlc timeframes are.

[demersel]

jgibson14352 wrote...

while theres still some mention of the CE; somebody tell me, is anybody else scared of their tin case? every time i put my disc away, and they snap into place, i can never get them back out without literally almost breaking them. its impossible to pull out unless i bend it in half and almost yank, its freaking terrifying.

Just checked it to be sure - no i can take them out just fine. Try taking them out with two hands, gently, while pushing with your thumbs on the axis. 

[jgibson14352]

demersel wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

while theres still some mention of the CE; somebody tell me, is anybody else scared of their tin case? every time i put my disc away, and they snap into place, i can never get them back out without literally almost breaking them. its impossible to pull out unless i bend it in half and almost yank, its freaking terrifying.

Just checked it to be sure - no i can take them out just fine. Try taking them out with two hands, gently, while pushing with your thumbs on the axis. 

thats exactly what i do. ive tried everything, the axis is just too big. it might just be safer to cut it off

[Gwyphon]

Codename_Code wrote...

I'm still confused as hell by the DLC, but I don't think the Leviathan mind control process is indoctrination as we know it. They get in the mind, and they can "assume direct control", but this is like a brute force process since people gets dull, not themselves anymore, and then they cant remember anything. Reaper indoctrination behaves more like indoctrination, they brain wash the person, and leaves the personality intact for a while.

I dont think the leviathan is trying to control shepard at the end, I dont know why but it is just trying to talk with shepard in her mind. If they would have tried to control shepard, she would have been easily controlled, or she would have forgotten everything afterwards.

About the leviathans being oppressed by the intelligence... I really don't understand it. The leviathans constructed a reaper ? or created an indoctrination device that indoctrinate them to jump in the synth machine ?... or ... my head hurts.

Yeah well the Leviathan says the reapers perfected their control ability and it became indoctrination as we know it. And yes it's strange just thinking about how the AI managed to take down a race that can drop a reaper deadnaught out of the sky with their minds. Thing is the Leviathan's themselves aren't trustworthy either because, after defeating the reapers they would most likely attempt to retake their place in the universe.

[demersel]

jgibson14352 wrote...

thats exactly what i do. ive tried everything, the axis is just too big. it might just be safer to cut it off

X-box or PC? 

[masster blaster]

Okay, is there any new leaked scripts in the Leviathan dlc. TSA, or anybody?

[masster blaster]

Also did the Catalyst say that the Leviathans will die in Destroy, or in Control, not only will Shepard Control the Reapers, but the Leviathans as well?

[jgibson14352]

demersel wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

thats exactly what i do. ive tried everything, the axis is just too big. it might just be safer to cut it off

X-box or PC? 

xbox

[plfranke]

masster blaster wrote...

Also did the Catalyst say that the Leviathans will die in Destroy, or in Control, not only will Shepard Control the Reapers, but the Leviathans as well?

Why would destroy kill the Leviathans or control allow Shepard to control the Leviathans?

[masster blaster]

plfranke wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Also did the Catalyst say that the Leviathans will die in Destroy, or in Control, not only will Shepard Control the Reapers, but the Leviathans as well?

Why would destroy kill the Leviathans or control allow Shepard to control the Leviathans?

Well I asked because I don't have it yet, and I have a theory about Leviathan at the end of ME3.


You see now it makes sense why the Catalyst is allowing SHepard to Control the Reapers because it's Leviathan. Think about it, why do you think the child doesn't mind you killing the Reapers, and to Control them. It's not the Reapers, ot's the LEviathans. think about it, the kid didn't mind talking about the LEviathans, and about Harbinger because they already know about what SHepard knows, since they got into Shepard's head, and saw his/her thoughts and memorys. Which allowd them to make up everything at the end.

As for not having Leviathan, then I can say other stuff to that makes sense, and what will happen.

Modifié par masster blaster, 30 août 2012 - 01:49 .

[OdanUrr]

The Twilight God wrote...

No. But that is besides the point.

We are talking about one ending. In Refuse, Shepard let's the Reapers win. The Reapers continue the cycle and everyone you know and love dies. Can I will assume you can find no fault with this?

So why do you believe Shepard let's the Reapers win when it is within his capability to stop them?

If we are talking about Refuse, then yes, in that case the Reapers win. Shepard does not stop them on the grounds that he doesn't like the choices laid before him. This is actually kind of funny (in a dumb, to my mind sort of way) since Shepard was eager and willing to activate the Crucible when he didn't know what it would do. Once he does, however, he's unwilling to make the choice. It's interesting to note that he was willing to gamble away the lives of everyone in the galaxy yet he finds himself somehow backed into a corner when told the actual price of using the device.

As to your massive essay, I posted a reply but I'll have to read it more carefully and, hopefully, from beginning to end.

[spotlessvoid]

Leviathan isn't the catalyst