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Hey guys, my youtube vid will come out tomorrow, hopefully. And it will be about 53 minutes long. I hope you will enjoy watching it as much as I had fun making it.

EDIT: Top of the page. WOOOOOO. First time ever.

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Well...I finally saw the EC after months of avoiding it...

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Arashi08 wrote...

Well...I finally saw the EC after months of avoiding it...


Why'd you wait until now?

Also, what'd you think?

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byne wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Well...I finally saw the EC after months of avoiding it...


Why'd you wait until now?

Also, what'd you think?

Waited cuz after I heard about it on here I didn't really care about it.  Instead I started a new game so I could have something to play while waiting for Leviathan to come out.  I just prefered to see the EC with the Leviathan DLC, not that it was worth it really... 

Some of it was good, the Normandy scene at the beam seemed forced and kind of stupid "Let's bring the Normandy in to evac two people while everyone else around them gets incinerated...yeah."  even if the scene watching Liara leave was kind of sweet, the rest of that scene seemed unreal, maybe +1 for IT idk.  The Starchild's discussion was pretty circular; it STLL couldn't explain how Synthesis works.  and Destroy still seemed like the best solution despite all the dialogue, though it was odd that the dialogue option that makes Destroy seem bad is on the top option, yet it is on the bottom on the others.  It was also really odd that one Reaper mysteriously flew through a badly rendered Reaper while the Catalyst was ranting. I'd call it a glitch, but since the camera basically forces you to see it I had to wonder...

The ending stuff was better, felt like they had a bit more closure, but the slideshow was a bit weak...

I don't support IT much anymore, but the EC did little ro help or hinder it, which I already knew, but seeing it makes it painfully obvious.  honestly it wasn't worth the 2 gigs it took up in my hardrive.  I hope more DLC makes the endings more clear, whether IT or not.  it DOES make sense to expand on the story through DLC, maybe even influence the ending somehow, when the final installment of a game is being played.

EDIT: geez it took me 15 minutes or so to write that and nobody else posted in that time?  The thread is slower than usual lol.

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SwobyJ wrote...

I think in the end, both races are seeking a solution to something that will help them and only them. We're caught in the middle of a battle of gods. (thus my comment earlier of Shepard Saga/Trilogy turning from that, into something more like the 'Shepard Mythos')


Still catching up on a few pages but wanted to comment here and say.. this whole godlike races at war with each other with the "lesser" races trying to survive thing is VERY reminiscient of the Shadow War in Babylon 5. For anyone that hasn't watched it, you probably should. A lot of themes seem to be drawn from that show.

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So does anyone feel like they're missing
a whole bunch of the story? How were the Leviathans defeated? Why don't
the Leviathans show up in the final battle? How does nobody know
anything about the Crucible? The Leviathan dlc actually gave us no new
information whatsoever on the creation of the Reapers. All it did was
give the creators a face, and confirm once and for all that Harbinger is
the first Reaper.

However, the game is still teasing a big role
for Harbinger without actually delivering it, and Bioware has still
refused to let us see any of our war assets in London. It almost felt
like they were taking a shot at people who want to see their war assets.
"The Leviathans are a part of this war now!" Well where the hell are
they, they could have helped at a lot of times.


Yeah, my thoughts exactly. When Gamble said we didn't kow the half of it, he was right, we STILL don't know the half of it. Back to where we started, basically. When are we going to reach the vinegar stroke, stop building us up to something if there's not going to be any follow-through.

Modifié par leonia42, 30 août 2012 - 07:13 .


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FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, my youtube vid will come out tomorrow, hopefully. And it will be about 53 minutes long. I hope you will enjoy watching it as much as I had fun making it.

EDIT: Top of the page. WOOOOOO. First time ever.

Congratulations!

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byne wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Well...I finally saw the EC after months of avoiding it...


Why'd you wait until now?

Also, what'd you think?

Byne if you're here, what did you think of Leviathan?

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FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, my youtube vid will come out tomorrow, hopefully. And it will be about 53 minutes long. I hope you will enjoy watching it as much as I had fun making it.


I've put up a few videos, but most of the comments are usually "IT isn't true" or other "ending hater" comments. Glad, I put comments on "Approve first". Not sure how people deal with that. I mean I made a video about EDI and the Destroy ending, and I got swamped with a lot of "anti-IT comments".

Kind of wonder whether it's worth doing or not. I mean if all I'm going to get is a bunch of flak about stuff.

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magnetite wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, my youtube vid will come out tomorrow, hopefully. And it will be about 53 minutes long. I hope you will enjoy watching it as much as I had fun making it.


I've put up a few videos, but most of the comments are usually "IT isn't true" or other "ending hater" comments. Glad, I put comments on "Approve first". Not sure how people deal with that. I mean I made a video about EDI and the Destroy ending, and I got swamped with a lot of "anti-IT comments".

Kind of wonder whether it's worth doing or not. I mean if all I'm going to get is a bunch of flak about stuff.

It's worth doing. I plan on doing something too. I've got a couple of ideas, but I need to get around to beating a playthrough on my PC and record it. (I play on xbox but there was a sale I couldn't refuse so I bought it on PC too to experiment/record).
Edit: Also, anyone that makes videos, what recording software do you use?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Well...I finally saw the EC after months of avoiding it...


Why'd you wait until now?

Also, what'd you think?

Byne if you're here, what did you think of Leviathan?


I think Leviathan was pretty good. It really should have had a bigger impact on the rest of the game though. I mean, we have things that can kill Reapers fairly easily, and can force Reaper troops to fight for us, and yet that doesnt really change the war in any way? Seems kind of cheap.

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Also, anyone that makes videos, what recording software do you use?


I use Fraps, registered version.

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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Well...I finally saw the EC after months of avoiding it...


Why'd you wait until now?

Also, what'd you think?

Byne if you're here, what did you think of Leviathan?


I think Leviathan was pretty good. It really should have had a bigger impact on the rest of the game though. I mean, we have things that can kill Reapers fairly easily, and can force Reaper troops to fight for us, and yet that doesnt really change the war in any way? Seems kind of cheap.

ya I agree.  I also kinda hoped Leviathan would have been a renegade (or in this case, ParagonPosted Image) Reaper, rather than a giant horseshoe crab.  But Leviathan seems to assert that the Reaper's are, in fact, just slaves of something else, despite Sovereign's words. 

"Each a nation, independent, free of all weakness...  How's that working out for ya big guy?"  Posted Image

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I just finished the EC as well but I decided not to chose to do anything and die knowing that my efforts weren't in vein and I still believed man could over come, The little bastard said fine the cycle continues. I don't remember exactly what they slide show scenes where though it was a few days ago..

Now only if I can get Leviathan to work I'll be happy.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

This is the kind of loose thinking I mentioned, guys. Above me right there.

Edit- Page turn fail. Well, let the dice fall where they may. I'm cool with looking like an imbecile.

NOW THEM POPPIES KIDS. GET TO IT.

PS-- the poppies in the wards are all over. But, the ones nearest the top, between Barla Von and the corridor into the rest of the wards, uniquely are accompanied by dust. In the sun glare, dust is visible. I'm calling it dust. Not spores. No sirree bob, because I checked downstairs and saw no such dust/spores anywhere. Don't get excited now.


And someone else said that they were also in Udina's office. So, really, nearly every place on the Citadel that has plants also has the poppies. I'm going to go ahead and assume they're similar enough to Opium Poppies to make a connection.

Short version: Opium is an extremely addictive, psychoactive drug that causes, among other things, relaxation, a decrease of pain/anxiety, and decreased alertness. It has been used many times in history, including for medicinal purposes,, but most notably in China, where the British smuggled it in and sold it for a long time, causing many people to get addicted. When the Chinese tried to stop it, the British declared war and easily defeated China due to both China's low technology level and the fact that the Chinese had been greatly weakened by opium use.

What do you guys think? A drug that decreases alertness, causes relaxtion, led to the temporary fall of a country that used to dominate its part of the world, and just so happens to look like a plant common on the Citadel that Bioware seemed to try and point out in Leviathan. A hint at something or am I just grasping at straws?


Still six pages behind but.. has nobody pointed out that that is the poppy everyone wears around Armistice Day? It's a huge symbol of rememberance for fallen soldiers.


And no Leviathan analyses from Otter, TSA, Simon, or Arian yet? Come on you guys. 

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leonia42 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

This is the kind of loose thinking I mentioned, guys. Above me right there.

Edit- Page turn fail. Well, let the dice fall where they may. I'm cool with looking like an imbecile.

NOW THEM POPPIES KIDS. GET TO IT.

PS-- the poppies in the wards are all over. But, the ones nearest the top, between Barla Von and the corridor into the rest of the wards, uniquely are accompanied by dust. In the sun glare, dust is visible. I'm calling it dust. Not spores. No sirree bob, because I checked downstairs and saw no such dust/spores anywhere. Don't get excited now.


And someone else said that they were also in Udina's office. So, really, nearly every place on the Citadel that has plants also has the poppies. I'm going to go ahead and assume they're similar enough to Opium Poppies to make a connection.

Short version: Opium is an extremely addictive, psychoactive drug that causes, among other things, relaxation, a decrease of pain/anxiety, and decreased alertness. It has been used many times in history, including for medicinal purposes,, but most notably in China, where the British smuggled it in and sold it for a long time, causing many people to get addicted. When the Chinese tried to stop it, the British declared war and easily defeated China due to both China's low technology level and the fact that the Chinese had been greatly weakened by opium use.

What do you guys think? A drug that decreases alertness, causes relaxtion, led to the temporary fall of a country that used to dominate its part of the world, and just so happens to look like a plant common on the Citadel that Bioware seemed to try and point out in Leviathan. A hint at something or am I just grasping at straws?


Still six pages behind but.. has nobody pointed out that that is the poppy everyone wears around Armistice Day? It's a huge symbol of rememberance for fallen soldiers.


And no Leviathan analyses from Otter, TSA, Simon, or Arian yet? Come on you guys. 


Just by way of update, cos not everyone will have seen it.

legaldinho wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

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legaldinho wrote...

Time to prompt my betters to do some speculating/ investigating/ picturing/ youtubing.

Subject: The red poppy that features in Leviathan.

Motive:
This poppy is everywhere on the citadel. I think it appears elsewhere
too, i think. It features everywhere in Dr Bryson's lab's balcony.

Support:
It looks a bit like the scarren flower in Farscape. We know how far the
sci fi influence net is cast in Mass Effect's case.

Relevance of
Leviathan: When chasing Garneaux, you enter the research lab or
something. This is where you pick up lots of conversations/ datapads.
One of these datapads is next to a bunch of these red flowers. It says
something like "though common, this strand is extremely dangerous". With
the recap of indoctrination-creatures including the thorian and its
"spores", as well as emphasis on the organic nature of the Leviathan's
indoctrination means, I say this warrans some monocle popping
speculation.

Interesting...Posted Image


Banshee get going man. This speculating stuff's not for thirty year olds.

Finally, found a vid that does some semi-thorough investigating.



At 07:12.

Datapad says:

"NOTE TO STAFF:
This new crossbreed appears harmless and would be inconspicuous in an
office environment. However, it is exceedingly dangerous. Use extreme
caution when working with all third-generation plants."

This
guy's shep is jittery as ****, but anyway, you can see the plant is in
Dr Bryson's office, inside at 00.16 and outside at 4:14



Pretty
sure these flowers are also in Councillor Udina's office... and many
places besides. Wondered about them before- but only because I'm such a
Farscape fan.


Just to confirm, the flowers are in udina's office, and elsewhere on the embassies ward.



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There's a kid on the wall of murderers but it's from behind and pretty blurry so it probably isn't meant to represent Creepy McBlownup.

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So I went through London again with Leviathan DLC finished, I like the new Catalyst lines and am glad they thought to add those based whether or not you have the DLC. IT still holds after it all, at least the versions I know, so here's to more waiting. Not that I'm complaining, doubt we'll get answers any time soon either way. All in all, great DLC.

Fun facts:
1. If you get hit by the Reaper Destroyers beam while defending the Missile Battery, you Die. Semi-proof that a Reaper beam can Kill you in London, leads me to further  believe Harbinger grazed you just enough for a reason.
2. If you play Two Steps from Hell: Protectors of the Earth on repeat at about half volume while going through the London mission, it becomes roughly ten times as epic. I almost had to stop myself from jumping out of my chair as a result of the excess epicosity.

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5 hours until vid is uploaded. Forgive me for the vid quality, I had to turn it down a bit, since the program I'm using can't handle full on HD quality. Also, goodnight.
I'll add a few more touches to the vid after it is uploaded. Be back in 11 hours.
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Lets say that after the reapers are defeated. What will the Leviathans do?, Stay in solitude (I doubt it), Move to a differant part of the galaxy?. Or now that the reapers are gone they will attempt to become the dominant power in the galaxy once again?.

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Lets say that after the reapers are defeated. What will the Leviathans do?, Stay in solitude (I doubt it), Move to a differant part of the galaxy?. Or now that the reapers are gone they will attempt to become the dominant power in the galaxy once again?.


They can only survive underwater.

f we destroy all the orbs, we'll be fine.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

So I went through London again with Leviathan DLC finished, I like the new Catalyst lines and am glad they thought to add those based whether or not you have the DLC. IT still holds after it all, at least the versions I know, so here's to more waiting. Not that I'm complaining, doubt we'll get answers any time soon either way. All in all, great DLC.

Fun facts:
1. If you get hit by the Reaper Destroyers beam while defending the Missile Battery, you Die. Semi-proof that a Reaper beam can Kill you in London, leads me to further  believe Harbinger grazed you just enough for a reason.
2. If you play Two Steps from Hell: Protectors of the Earth on repeat at about half volume while going through the London mission, it becomes roughly ten times as epic. I almost had to stop myself from jumping out of my chair as a result of the excess epicosity.


That's exactly why London normally feels so weird, it's just a lack of music.

Also, 3 paged in 10 hours? C'mon people, Leviathan just came out yesterday Posted Image

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Hm, a thought occurs:

Now that there are Leviathan artifacts spread throughout the galaxy and the Alliance is so bold to use them, does it mean that there is now a legit reason to bring in a playable Reaper faction into MP?

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Hm, a thought occurs:

Now that there are Leviathan artifacts spread throughout the galaxy and the Alliance is so bold to use them, does it mean that there is now a legit reason to bring in a playable Reaper faction into MP?


I want to play 'Janet the banshee'

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Hm, a thought occurs:

Now that there are Leviathan artifacts spread throughout the galaxy and the Alliance is so bold to use them, does it mean that there is now a legit reason to bring in a playable Reaper faction into MP?


I call dibs on Marauder Shields, been wanting to play a rolling turian for ages now.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Hm, a thought occurs:

Now that there are Leviathan artifacts spread throughout the galaxy and the Alliance is so bold to use them, does it mean that there is now a legit reason to bring in a playable Reaper faction into MP?


That was one of Arian's predictions wasn't it? Or...someone else? Dunno, was back in Mark II if I'm remembering right. Either way, it's "plausible" since Leviathan can take control of the husk forces but... that's a big leap to giving us control of them in MP.  Would be too confusing against Reaper forces for one, but can jump that hurdle with some unique Husk models I suppose. If that does happen we'll likely only get Mauraders, which would be awesome, since their character models are closests to what we have. Just a guess though.