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[MaximizedAction]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Hm, a thought occurs:

Now that there are Leviathan artifacts spread throughout the galaxy and the Alliance is so bold to use them, does it mean that there is now a legit reason to bring in a playable Reaper faction into MP?

That was one of Arian's predictions wasn't it? Or...someone else? Dunno, was back in Mark II if I'm remembering right. Either way, it's "plausible" since Leviathan can take control of the husk forces but... that's a big leap to giving us control of them in MP.  Would be too confusing against Reaper forces for one, but can jump that hurdle with some unique Husk models I suppose. If that does happen we'll likely only get Mauraders, which would be awesome, since their character models are closests to what we have. Just a guess though.

Could very well be that I just subconsciously remembered Arian's post. Either way, I agree that it would seem odd. But that doesn't mean that it won't hold off Bioware from doing it. Furthermore, I feel like I'd appreciate something new in MP...

[Rifneno]

Cheesemonke wrote...

Ah thats true I didn't realize the human-reaper was just a smaller internal portion of what would be the larger cuttlefish design my b. Still strange how interested leviathan is in human evolution though.

The Reapers are also very interested in human evolution, specifically biotics. The Collectors were trying to buy human biotics in the books, and when the Reapers ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL'd Paul Grayson, they took him to Grissom Academy and broke into their records systems to steal all their information on Project Ascension. Cerberus also took their indoctrinated rears there to kidnap the kids from that program too.

If the Leviathans are studying human evolution/biotics... well, I think you can connect the dots. The Leviathans are not on our side.

Arashi08 wrote...

Well...I finally saw the EC after months of avoiding it...

Condolences.

Flog61 wrote...

They can only survive underwater.

f we destroy all the orbs, we'll be fine.

I don't know why you'd think that. These things are closer in technology and intellect to Reapers than they are to us. They're in hiding, sure, but rest assured they're not bound to the water if they don't want to be. We're land animals and we explore the oceans everyday using technology that's beyond primitive compared to theirs.

Modifié par Rifneno, 30 août 2012 - 11:13 .

[Revan87]

"Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus
billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told
him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These
entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic
life from synthetic "machine devils."


Well guess who is calling himself a higher being... Yes Leviathan, I'm talking of you!
I think the beings of light are back in the race!

Edit: The catalyst states that synthesis has been done before, but it failed. Beings of light?

Modifié par Revan87, 30 août 2012 - 11:28 .

[Rifneno]

Catalyst probably IS a "being of light." Indoctrinated volus is indoctrinated.

As for synthesis having been tried before, my money's on him meaning how they make Reapers out of soylent green.

[Lokanaiya]

Revan87 wrote...

"Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus
billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told
him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These
entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic
life from synthetic "machine devils."


Well guess who is calling himself a higher being... Yes Leviathan, I'm talking of you!
I think the beings of light are back in the race!

Edit: The catalyst states that synthesis has been done before, but it failed. Beings of light?

Or just a random bit of trivia about a crazy billionare in a series known for its detail?

[Revan87]

Not much going on here... So I just have to speculate with myself:

According to the keeper scans from ME1/2, the keepers are older than the citadel. So we know, the citadel was built after the fall of the Leviathans, so the Keepers are as old as Leviathan. Were the Keepers the thralls that fought against the Leviathans?

"Apart from curious scientists (and the occasional inconvenienced citizen
who has had their office rearranged) most people on the Citadel stop
noticing the keepers soon after they arrive."

Stop noticing them, as if they weren't there? Or just stop noticing them, as if they are not in our concern? Sounds strange to me. One of the most dangerous enemies is the one that works in the shadows...

Next then, there is this video from the shadow Broker Ship, which shows a dead human/krogan what so ever next to a Keeper. I always found that one strange and acutaly belive, that the Keepers aren't just tools to activate the citadel relay.

Edit:
@Lokanaiya

Who knows what future alcohol can do to us? ^^

Modifié par Revan87, 30 août 2012 - 12:24 .

[paxxton]

"Of light" might figuratively mean "enlightened" or "being more advanced".

Modifié par paxxton, 30 août 2012 - 12:35 .

[paxxton]

Revan87 wrote...

Not much going on here... So I just have to speculate with myself:

According to the keeper scans from ME1/2, the keepers are older than the citadel. So we know, the citadel was built after the fall of the Leviathans, so the Keepers are as old as Leviathan. Were the Keepers the thralls that fought against the Leviathans?

"Apart from curious scientists (and the occasional inconvenienced citizen
who has had their office rearranged) most people on the Citadel stop
noticing the keepers soon after they arrive."

Stop noticing them, as if they weren't there? Or just stop noticing them, as if they are not in our concern? Sounds strange to me. One of the most dangerous enemies is the one that works in the shadows...

Next then, there is this video from the shadow Broker Ship, which shows a dead human/krogan what so ever next to a Keeper. I always found that one strange and acutaly belive, that the Keepers aren't just tools to activate the citadel relay.

Edit:
@Lokanaiya

Who knows what future alcohol can do to us? ^^

Maybe the Keepers are those pawns Leviathan mentions. Makes sense if you consider an analogy to search bots which behave similarly. They are small programs that search the Internet and send data to a search engine's database.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 août 2012 - 12:32 .

[RavenEyry]

Revan87 wrote...

According to the keeper scans from ME1/2, the keepers are older than the citadel. So we know, the citadel was built after the fall of the Leviathans, so the Keepers are as old as Leviathan. Were the Keepers the thralls that fought against the Leviathans?

Not necessarily. We don't (I think) have a timeline on how long after the genesis of the reapers the citadel was built. Several cycles could've passed before they came up with the trap and keepers are just husks of whatever was around at the time (they're partially organic and partially synthetic. Synthesis yo.)

[paxxton]

Arashi08 wrote...

Well...I finally saw the EC after months of avoiding it...

[Revan87]

RavenEyry wrote...

Revan87 wrote...

According to the keeper scans from ME1/2, the keepers are older than the citadel. So we know, the citadel was built after the fall of the Leviathans, so the Keepers are as old as Leviathan. Were the Keepers the thralls that fought against the Leviathans?

Not necessarily. We don't (I think) have a timeline on how long after the genesis of the reapers the citadel was built. Several cycles could've passed before they came up with the trap and keepers are just husks of whatever was around at the time (they're partially organic and partially synthetic. Synthesis yo.)

Yeah you're right with that one. But yes, synthesis... I already brought that up some times in this forum, that I belive that the keepers are the first synthesis creation that the catalyst mentioned. But he said that it failed, how did it fail?

The Keepers do not have a free will, they are just slaves. They don't have all the abilities (did I spell that right?) that are so important about organic Life.

But again, why is that important? The main purpose of the catalyst is to preserve organic Life. The keepers still exist and are not able to create synthetic Life, so the cycle is already broken, if the Keepers are the synthesized.

Oh man I'm confused!

[Ace7]

Hey guys, just swinging by with two cents on Leviathan DLC.

Firstly, I have to say I really enjoyed it. However, it really underpins a feeling of confusion about what we as players have witnessed and experienced throughout the series. Im sure this has been discussed in depth throughout this forum but the words of Sovereign and Harbinger vs the words of the catalyst and leviathan completely contradict each other. I mean, who do we trust? Sovereign + Harbinger both proclaimed themselves to be magnificent all mighty incomprehensible beings with a purpose also beyond our comprehension. Catalyst + Leviathan claim the reapers are merely programmed slaves. Now, IT claims that everything the catalyst says is lies and that he is actually a trap laid out by Harbinger, which would be great if it were true but the conversation with Leviathan now supports the existence of the Catalyst and it's control of the reapers. I was hoping that the Leviathan would stir up some more mystery about the reapers but instead it laid out some cold facts on the table. Cold sober facts that I find very hard to swallow.

Secondly, I did notice something odd and maybe it's just me clinging on to hope but did anyone else notice how Leviathan wants Shepard to "serve" him? Doesn't Harby also want shepard to "serve" him? What would Leviathan actually want with Shepard?

[Gwyphon]

Ace7 wrote...

Hey guys, just swinging by with two cents on Leviathan DLC.

Firstly, I have to say I really enjoyed it. However, it really underpins a feeling of confusion about what we as players have witnessed and experienced throughout the series. Im sure this has been discussed in depth throughout this forum but the words of Sovereign and Harbinger vs the words of the catalyst and leviathan completely contradict each other. I mean, who do we trust? Sovereign + Harbinger both proclaimed themselves to be magnificent all mighty incomprehensible beings with a purpose also beyond our comprehension. Catalyst + Leviathan claim the reapers are merely programmed slaves. Now, IT claims that everything the catalyst says is lies and that he is actually a trap laid out by Harbinger, which would be great if it were true but the conversation with Leviathan now supports the existence of the Catalyst and it's control of the reapers. I was hoping that the Leviathan would stir up some more mystery about the reapers but instead it laid out some cold facts on the table. Cold sober facts that I find very hard to swallow.

Secondly, I did notice something odd and maybe it's just me clinging on to hope but did anyone else notice how Leviathan wants Shepard to "serve" him? Doesn't Harby also want shepard to "serve" him? What would Leviathan actually want with Shepard?

Actually the Leviathan des say something to stir it up. It said that the AI has done "No such thing" when talking about preserving organic life. Instead it's looking for "something". But once again adding more questions and no answers.

[Revan87]

I was thinking about that as well. It seems that we have now two "fractions" while both want to use us to destroy the other one. But besides I don't think either the catalyst nor Leviathan is lying. Or at least not all the time. they just don't tell us the full truth.

Modifié par Revan87, 30 août 2012 - 01:34 .

[MaximizedAction]

Gwyphon wrote...
Actually the Leviathan des say something to stir it up. It said that the AI has done "No such thing" when talking about preserving organic life. Instead it's looking for "something". But once again adding more questions and no answers.

Again, to bring up again something we've been talking about since Mark I, I think: What if, in its eternal search of perfecting indoctrination, the AI is so interested in Shepard because of his seemingly perfect ability of persuasion and leadership? We've been talking here about how Shepard is, in some way, is also indoctrinating others.

That way, the Reapers and the AI gain a worthy addition: some sort of a second Harbinger.

(While writing this feels horribly cheesy but..could be)

[Ace7]

too many questions....lol. I was hoping Leviathan DLC would put my mind at ease but It's gone onto overdrive with all the pondering and speculation.

Something else which is interesting and maybe you guys can clarify this for me. Leviathan claims Harbinger is the first Reaper, modelled on the Leviathans. Were all other reapers were created after each subsequent cycle? If so, how exactly did the AI and Harbinger harvest in the first cycle if he was the only one? We saw in the DLC that Levi plus two friends were able to take down a reaper easily.

[Riot86]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Again, to bring up again something we've been talking about since Mark I, I think: What if, in its eternal search of perfecting indoctrination, the AI is so interested in Shepard because of his seemingly perfect ability of persuasion and leadership? We've been talking here about how Shepard is, in some way, is also indoctrinating others.

That way, the Reapers and the AI gain a worthy addition: some sort of a second Harbinger.

They would not only get a worthy "addition" if they get Shepard on their side...the Reapers/the Catalyst might actually have a solution for the problem they seek to solve then.

Think about it, the Leviathan are capable of controlling other organics. In a way that seems to bear a strong resemblence to the process of Indoctrination the Reapers utilize. But still the Leviathan failed to control the lesser organics races in such a manner, that they prevented them from building synthetics (which in the end turned against them). Their ability to control was not enough.

So, if the Reapers would be able to harness Shepards greatest strenght, his power to influence others and to draw them on his side, in order to improve their Indoctrination technique even more (something which they have done for centuries according to the Leviathan) - they might be able to gain enough long term influence on organics to prevent the construction of synthetics in the first place. The "problem" would be no more.

Vice versa, it would also explain the Leviathans interesst in Shepard (I loved that last Video Tour Console on the asteroid ). They want to be the apex race again, and what would help them more in archieving this goal than someone who might improve their greatest strenght, the ability to control, even more?

Modifié par Riot86, 30 août 2012 - 02:33 .

[paxxton]

Ace7 wrote...

too many questions....lol. I was hoping Leviathan DLC would put my mind at ease but It's gone onto overdrive with all the pondering and speculation.

Something else which is interesting and maybe you guys can clarify this for me. Leviathan claims Harbinger is the first Reaper, modelled on the Leviathans. Were all other reapers were created after each subsequent cycle? If so, how exactly did the AI and Harbinger harvest in the first cycle if he was the only one? We saw in the DLC that Levi plus two friends were able to take down a reaper easily.

Leviathan tells Shepard about an army of pawns created by the Intelligence to search the Galaxy for organic samples. Harbinger and the AI weren't alone.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 août 2012 - 02:39 .

[paxxton]

So if the Leviathans is the species, what are the names of the individuals who spoke with Shepard?

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...

So if the Leviathans is the species, what are the names of the individuals who spoke with Shepard?

Larry, Curly and Moe.

[paxxton]

Ace7 wrote...

Hey guys, just swinging by with two cents on Leviathan DLC.

Firstly, I have to say I really enjoyed it. However, it really underpins a feeling of confusion about what we as players have witnessed and experienced throughout the series. Im sure this has been discussed in depth throughout this forum but the words of Sovereign and Harbinger vs the words of the catalyst and leviathan completely contradict each other. I mean, who do we trust? Sovereign + Harbinger both proclaimed themselves to be magnificent all mighty incomprehensible beings with a purpose also beyond our comprehension. Catalyst + Leviathan claim the reapers are merely programmed slaves. Now, IT claims that everything the catalyst says is lies and that he is actually a trap laid out by Harbinger, which would be great if it were true but the conversation with Leviathan now supports the existence of the Catalyst and it's control of the reapers. I was hoping that the Leviathan would stir up some more mystery about the reapers but instead it laid out some cold facts on the table. Cold sober facts that I find very hard to swallow.

Secondly, I did notice something odd and maybe it's just me clinging on to hope but did anyone else notice how Leviathan wants Shepard to "serve" him? Doesn't Harby also want shepard to "serve" him? What would Leviathan actually want with Shepard?

The way Leviathan speaks looking down on every other lifeform besides his own kind is very similar to how the Reapers perceive organics.

Maybe what Sovereign/Harbinger says is a facade meant to frighten the enemy, a kind of psych warfare.

[jgibson14352]

im more interested in how they beat the second cycle, coming out of darkspace with only one reaper at first, then only two.

[The Twilight God]

Arashi08 wrote...

It was also really odd that one Reaper mysteriously flew through a badly rendered Reaper while the Catalyst was ranting. I'd call it a glitch, but since the camera basically forces you to see it I had to wonder...

Leviathan DLC actually added glitchy looking scenes to the Kid conversation. With the EC alone there is no reaper running through another reaper and there are two clips showing the player what their decision will entail. These clips were cut for some reason from the EC (if you have Leviathan), so it look sglitchy as they literally just yanked them out without polishing up Shepard's position on screen.

It was sloppy.

[paxxton]

jgibson14352 wrote...

im more interested in how they beat the second cycle, coming out of darkspace with only one reaper at first, then only two.

The pawns Leviathan mentioned.