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[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

The sheer number of Reapers makes it impossible for 3 Leviathans to defeat all of them. It's not the matter of their abilities.

There are more than 3. Leviathan himself says so. Pay close attention. 

[demersel]

RavenEyry wrote...

If there really is a more important background war between reapers and levis (like the aforementioned shadow war), perhaps the harvest is just to get reinforcements.

Reinforcments. Yes. And bringing the lesser races up to the leviathnas level so they can have a go at them. 


Also this. Humans are chosen by reapers to be the reaper of this cycle. 
While reapers are away - levithants, who also saw your succsess - also decide to use them against reapers - to lead the war. - make them the blade of the sward - makes sense - even if we fail - it would be harder to make a reaper out of us, thus denying usefull reinforcements.

listen to this.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par demersel, 30 août 2012 - 06:05 .

[legaldinho]

paxxton wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Also note this conversation with harbinger 
Listen to his end game speach again -  Note the use of word "void"

www.youtube.com/watch

A growing void? What does he mean?

It's the dark energy thang. Now it's nothing.

I don't understand.

It was a reference to the dark energy foreshadowing. Idea was that shepard would be indoctrinated into leading the human race surrendering its genetic material to make a new reaper who would stop the dark energy threat. In the end Shepard would choose to sacrifice himself and humanity, or say F U we'll figure out something ourselves.

[Rifneno]

The dark energy plot was always stupid, and I'd bet dollars to donuts it was only the original plan in that it was going to be Starbinger's original bull**** speech when he tries to indoctrinate Shepard.

[legaldinho]

You miss the point. The reference to the "growing void" shouldn't be given too nebulous an interpretation. At the time it was part of the dark energy foreshadowing. Now it is just hyperbole. It should not be used to support the newfangled speculations that are blooming here, namely that Levy indoctrinated harby who indoctrinated startbrat who slept with shiara the consort who indoctrinated shepard.

[demersel]

legaldinho wrote...

It was a reference to the dark energy foreshadowing. Idea was that shepard would be indoctrinated into leading the human race surrendering its genetic material to make a new reaper who would stop the dark energy threat. In the end Shepard would choose to sacrifice himself and humanity, or say F U we'll figure out something ourselves.

dark eneregy might still have some role. Heastrom is part of ME2 and it will never go away. It is even bigger part of ME universe then the leviathans were before the DLC - they were only hinted at, back in ME1 - and look how that turned out. Dark energy will still play a part. 

Consider this. Between ME2 and ME3 - the galaxy is free of reaper influence. This gives leviathans the chance to take control of humans - and shift their attention fron the things that are really important - like dark energy problem. 

Also, the problem with heastrom's sun happened rapidly after sovereign's death - that could mean that leviathans caused this, when given the chance. What if it is what they do?  consume the stars? or produce dark energy some how? (like it is their way of defecation or something?)

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

The dark energy plot was always stupid, and I'd bet dollars to donuts it was only the original plan in that it was going to be Starbinger's original bull**** speech when he tries to indoctrinate Shepard.

good point. ))

Modifié par demersel, 30 août 2012 - 06:14 .

[legaldinho]

Yeah I agree, it could play a future role. I'm simply placing the phrase in context for paxxton.

No poppies analysis. Legaldinho am disappoint.

[RavenEyry]

As far as I can find, the dark energy plot leak was never confirmed to actually be true so it annoys me that everyone keeps talking so academically about it (I apologise if I'm wrong of course). Bioware's official line seems to be that the current end is pretty much what was planned from the start.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The sheer number of Reapers makes it impossible for 3 Leviathans to defeat all of them. It's not the matter of their abilities.

There are more than 3. Leviathan himself says so. Pay close attention. 

You mean when he says that some survived and found refuge in the dark corners (plural form) of the Galaxy?

[demersel]

legaldinho wrote...

Yeah I agree, it could play a future role. I'm simply placing the phrase in context for paxxton.

No poppies analysis. Legaldinho am disappoint.

What is there to analyse? The leviathna's thralls work on those poppies. (for more than ten years as far as we know - they are earth's plant - primary target - Humans,  after ME2 udina comes into power (if he wasn't before) and domates earth's plant's as decorations for the presidium, mainly poppies - safe to assume they are contaminated - secondary target - presidium habitants = council members, all the ambassadors + most imposrtant influential and well connetced people in the galaxy. )

Looks like the ploy to take control of the humanity first, and key persons of the galaxe second. Happens after sovereigns destruction, 

- fits my theory, that given the chance leviathans try to take over the universe. 

[demersel]

SwobyJ wrote...

OH, and rewatching the Mars TIM scene, he mentioned humanity being able to reach the 'apex of evolution'. If we assume that the ending of the game isn't quite real, and we never actually spoke to TIM there...

He may know of Leviathan and intends on humanity reaching this level, and the Reapers themselves are just tools for him to get to that place. Yes, he's 'indoctrinated', but not *connected* to the Reapers persay. In fact, he has only adopted the Reapers/akaLeviathan's position on being the 'apex species', but everything else is still 'him'.

He doesn't want the Crucible itself because it is a trap. He wasn't interested in getting it, or making it. He has his own plans.

ERROR: PAY MORE FOR DLC STORY REVEAL


EDIT: and btw, TIM still sucks. He's willing to sacrifice all of Cerberus to indoctrination just for the chance to leap ahead of every other race including Leviathans and Reapers. The scary part is, if the ending is an illusion, ....TIM might still be right.

Yes! exactly!. The only thing that he wants with the crucible - is to prevent it from activating. 

And yes, the saery part is that he really might be right. You see - he is the real antogonyst of Mass Effect 3. And we have yet to confront him. 

Modifié par demersel, 30 août 2012 - 06:31 .

[Humakt83]

Rifneno wrote...

You remind me of the people over the Dragon Age forum who went on about how the rebellions could've been avoided by asking the Chantry nicely to please stop oppressing people.

Mages should be oppressed. Spoiled prats with their cushioned rooms always whining about their lack of freedom to cause mayhem and practise blood magic freely.

It reminds me of BSN for some reason.

Not to mention that nation controlled by mages practise actual widespread slavery.

Modifié par Humakt83, 30 août 2012 - 06:33 .

[demersel]

SwobyJ wrote...
*snip*

High-five, man! 

[Dwailing]

Andromidius wrote...

War is last resort - and in the case of dealing with Reapers and Leviathans, the only resort. The only alternative is 'allow them to dominate us whoever they see fit' - because they won't just leave us be.

Only reason the Leviathans aren't busy conquering the Galaxy is because they fear the Reapers. Though I still can't quite figure out why, considering how easily they blow the crap out of them.

Oh well, maybe we'll get a few more hints before Christmas. Maybe.

Or maybe they'll decide to give us the best Christmas gift of all: some answers.  That would be nice.  Also, I'm watching that conversation with Sovvy again, and all I can think is, "God, the Reapers in ME1 were so frakking epic.  Why BioWare?  Why did you have to ruin them with Star-Brat?  Whhhhhyyyyyyy?!"

Edit: Also, Sovvy describes the Reapers as the pinnacle of evolution.  Huh, now where else did we hear THAT particular line?...

Modifié par Dwailing, 30 août 2012 - 06:36 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

War is last resort - and in the case of dealing with Reapers and Leviathans, the only resort. The only alternative is 'allow them to dominate us whoever they see fit' - because they won't just leave us be.

Only reason the Leviathans aren't busy conquering the Galaxy is because they fear the Reapers. Though I still can't quite figure out why, considering how easily they blow the crap out of them.

Oh well, maybe we'll get a few more hints before Christmas. Maybe.

Or maybe they'll decide to give us the best Christmas gift of all: some answers.  That would be nice.  Also, I'm watching that conversation with Sovvy again, and all I can think is, "God, the Reapers in ME1 were so frakking epic.  Why BioWare?  Why did you have to ruin them with Star-Brat?  Whhhhhyyyyyyy?!"

Edit: Also, Sovvy describes the Reapers as the pinnacle of evolution.  Huh, now where else did we hear THAT particular line?...

Exactly. Also, hello!

[paxxton]

The Leviathans babysitted lesser species. "They were cared for."

[demersel]

Dwailing wrote...

Or maybe they'll decide to give us the best Christmas gift of all: some answers.  That would be nice.  Also, I'm watching that conversation with Sovvy again, and all I can think is, "God, the Reapers in ME1 were so frakking epic.  Why BioWare?  Why did you have to ruin them with Star-Brat?  Whhhhhyyyyyyy?!"

Edit: Also, Sovvy describes the Reapers as the pinnacle of evolution.  Huh, now where else did we hear THAT particular line?...

That just proves to you that reapers are indeed each a nation. sovereign was made out of some spicies with dignity. 

Harbinger was made out of Leviathans - and it SHOWS.  (also, the whole starchild thing actually shows you, by extension, mhow much of a dics leviathans in their essense actually are). 

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Exactly. Also, hello!

Banshee, hello!

Could you check out my post for like two pages back and till here - some speculations about where we stand in the mass effect universe after leviathan. (and what could actually be happening)

Would like your input on this. 

[Rifneno]

Humakt83 wrote...

Mages should be oppressed. Spoiled prats with their cushioned rooms always whining about their lack of freedom to cause mayhem and practise blood magic freely.

It reminds me of BSN for some reason.

Not to mention that nation controlled by mages practise actual widespread slavery.

China commits lots of humans rights violations. Therefor, all Chinese people are evil. See your mockery of logic?

Elthina should have been abused physically, mentally, and sexually until she wound up taking her own life just like so many of the people in her "care" did under the same treatment. I want to smack Anders for letting that **** off so easy. Meredith... the human body can't endure enough torture for her to get hers, sadly.

paxxton wrote...

The Leviathans babysitted lesser species. "They were cared for."

You must've gotten a buggy copy of Leviathan. Ours included a mission in a mine where we see how the leviathans "care for" their subjects.

[paxxton]

Hello, Banshee Owner.

[Dwailing]

I'm curious, have you all seen this yet? It's... interesting. Not sure if it's speculation worthy, but it's an interesting read, none the less. http://blog.bioware....ting-leviathan/

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The Leviathans babysitted lesser species. "They were cared for."

You must've gotten a buggy copy of Leviathan. Ours included a mission in a mine where we see how the leviathans "care for" their subjects.

They cared for them in their own way. But the species were happy, enthralled.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 août 2012 - 06:49 .