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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Alright. Sorry if someone already said this, but they could not possibly live inside a star. Not reapers or leviathans. A brown dwarf is a gas giant that almost acquired enough mass to ingite with nuclear fusion. It's not a star. And the collector base isn't in a black hole; it's near one. It uses mass effect tech to remain safe from the hole's gravity well. I believe it was located just outside the accretion disk. Also, in real life, you don't have black holes of varying size. The centre of the galaxy is a black hole, sure, but it is not large. It is only massive - Supermassive to be precise. "Massive" is one of those words that is too often used out of context. It simply means something has a lot of mass, not that it is big. Posted Image


Yes, sorry, i know that black holes have no size. 
Wrong use of a word. 
I meant to sa massive.
Thank you for correcting me. 

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Dwailing wrote...

So, it seems that the conclusion is that whatever happens, we're going to have to kill not only the Reapers but also the Leviathans to be truly free of "greater beings"? Well, it's time to pull a Klingon and kill our "gods," if you will (In the Star Trek universe, Klingon mythology says that the Klingons rose up and killed their "gods" which were actually Sufficiently Advanced Aliens. I think it's time that we do that. :devil:).

Or in Halo, the Forerunners killed the Precursors. Here's the weird part though. The Forerunners wiped that from their own history, and they don't even know they did it. Posted Image

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Demersel that thing is F'n huge!

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Norlond wrote...

I said that just 5 posts above yours, you're ignoring me :crying:
But nevermind, your explanation is better anyway ^_^

Actually I saw yours, but decided to say it anyway Posted Image Also, thanks! Posted Image

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paxxton wrote...

Yes, buy it without hesitation. Totally worth every BW point.


ah.... thanks I wont buy it. :P that o ver the top response means it doesn't do squat besides extending lore and plotholes. Thanks though.

Don't buy it. It's worthless, stupid and low quality. Waste of money. And it cannot be unseen. Posted Image

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 FINE! Nothing can live inside a star. Happy now?
Would be cool, though...:?

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Demersel that thing is F'n huge!

Yeah, I've seen it everywhere, but where the hell is it from/what is it supposed to be?

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demersel wrote...

Just replayed the final stages of leaviathan DLC. Lot's of new thoughts.

Qutes from the leviathan:
The AI was created with a sinlge purpuse - "Preservation of life at any cost" Not to find a solution to a problem, or anything - but for this single directive. Everything that follows - is just a tool to do so.

"We will fight. But not for you, or any other lesser race. We were once an apex race. It is time for the reapers to pay their tribute to that" - I have a really bad feeling about this.

"What do you know about the crucible? - We have watched it being constructed during countless cicles. It has never been finished yet. It's outcome is unknown.".

Now, with the leviathan the only possible way for the ending to work - is to be an indoctrination attempt which shepard breaks off with choosing high EMS destroy. Because if the endings are literal and actually happen - now there is now win scenario. Every sinlge choice results in the galaxy under control of one superior malavelent force.

Now, simple destruction of all reapers is not yet a victory.
To achieve victory we must now get rid of the reapers AND the leviathans - they are a part of the same problem - galaxy being under influence of the superior meddling force, that bears malice to all leaving creatures. The leviathan clearly shows, that the ending to mass effect as it stands now does not resolve anything, and that the reapers aren't the whole problem. So when shepard wakes up, he's still yet to find a way to kill ALL the reapers AND All the leviathans at the same time. 

Right now, given all the facts, control would be the best option, and I do think that the core of the Illusive Man's reasoning is sound. Unfortunatly - we have 3 games proving us that control of the reapers is impossible, it just can't be done. It is a great concept, and a nice dream, but it isn't possible to achieve. (at least not in that decision chamber for sure).

Destroy now doesn't work, cause, you know, reapers aren't the whole problem. Reapers aren't at war with you. They just harvest. They can't be at war with you. They are just doing what they are supposed to do. And it is already horrible beyound any comprehension. Now, the Leviathans CAN be at war with you. And most likely will be the first chance they'll get (it is their logic after all that if something can happen - it will inevitably happen). - and we don't want that. (if you have any doubts about it - replay the leviathan again - a pay attention to how the leviathan treats it's thralls - read the journals of the crew of the wrecked ship - it is all there) - they are twisted, and evil. And if there were one race of creatures the galaxy would be better off without - it would be them. For all we know, reapers could be doing us all a HUGE favour by keeping them in hiding. Far all you know, reapers might have been born as a result of ALL LESSER RACES UNITING TO DESTROY THEM AT ANY COST.
We don't know. And If I was Shepard - I wouldn't want to ever find that out

Synthesis doesn't fix anything. What does it do? It destroys all organic life everywhere. But reapers are still around. AND Leviathans are also still around. So what that they have some robotic parts? Does in makes them less arrogant? Or less meddling? Or less of an apex spiecies, who persive everything esle in the galaxy as a tool? No. They just now have built-in bluetooth. with which the can directly control everything else, given the fact that everything now has built-in bluetooth.

Refuse still doesn't do anything at all.

Some interesting things to think about for sure. Not really a winning option there... literally. Posted Image

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I saw that picture demersel posted some time ago. Would be cool if that was the Reapers' last resort weapon in ME3 (or ME4).

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I saw that picture on wallbase or something, but it was only titled science fiction earth destruction art or something, nothing ME related

*edit* going to sleep now, good night -_-

Modifié par Norlond, 30 août 2012 - 08:44 .


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How could Shepard stay with Leviathans underwater? He would suffocate.

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Dwailing wrote...

I was just following what the current train of thought seemed to be.  And based on what I've heard, the Leviathans are NOT our allies.  It sounds like they're only in this to take out the Reapers.  After that... well, let's just say I think we're going to need some pretty big squid killing guns.
 

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Someone call? Plus, the nanosuit favors destroy, judging by its visor. Posted Image

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A picture painted for upcoming trading card game PURGE: Sins of Science. Red Hand is a terrifying giant robot capable of melting and consuming a whole planet.

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Samtheman63 wrote...

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A picture painted for upcoming trading card game PURGE: Sins of Science. Red Hand is a terrifying giant robot capable of melting and consuming a whole planet.

Ahh. Thank you for the clarification. I should go. I'll see you all later.

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yeah no worries, wondered what it was myself for ages

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Demersel that thing is F'n huge!

Yeah, I've seen it everywhere, but where the hell is it from/what is it supposed to be?


Reaper Unicron

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paxxton wrote...

How could Shepard stay with Leviathans underwater? He would suffocate.

She was in the atlas. What do you think?

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estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

How could Shepard stay with Leviathans underwater? He would suffocate.

She was in the atlas. What do you think?

I meant that Leviathan said he would remain underwater (with finite oxygen supply). Or maybe he meant under his mind-control?

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paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

How could Shepard stay with Leviathans underwater? He would suffocate.

She was in the atlas. What do you think?

I meant that Leviathan said he would remain underwater (with finite oxygen supply). Or maybe he meant under his mind-control?

Probably the latter, yeah.

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Samtheman63 wrote...

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A picture painted for upcoming trading card game PURGE: Sins of Science. Red Hand is a terrifying giant robot capable of melting and consuming a whole planet.


I'm confused (and not for the first time Posted Image),  if that's for a card game, why was it used in a ME3 promo? Or was it ever really used in an ME3 promo and we're all gone completely raving bonkers here at IT Towers.

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That sign by the vent in Vancouver is no proof of IT because the face shown on it is not Shepard's. Posted Image jk

Modifié par paxxton, 30 août 2012 - 09:09 .


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Norlond wrote...

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demersel wrote...

Guys.

I really feel, that by this point, the theory, that the ending is an attempt of Harbinger to indoctrinate Shepard is pretty much proven, and may be taken as fact. (and that it is a dream at that- we are SHOWN how this works in the leviathan)

I think we really should move on to speculations about what is really going on in Mass Effect 3, and by extension the whole Mass Effect series, and what could come next.
It is a quest. And a puzzle. We already have most of the peaces. (ME1 + DLCs, ME2+DLCs, ME3+some DLCs, books, comics, etc.)

We need to start combing all that for clues. Revise all the facts that we do know, and see how they fit together. (if at all).

And while we do this we must disregard arguments like "Bad Writing" or "It was intended, but then cancelled".

Mass Effect - is a fiction. It is created. Crafted. Ingeneered. And it is still being created.
But that means that those who create it have the save info we do, as basis to create on.

If one man put something together - other man always will be able to take it apart.
We must reverse-engeneer the story. It can be done. As i said - we already have most of the parts.



Sounds like a good idea. 


seconded, but it may take forever, it's a huge amount of work to retrace the development of the entire storyline


I tried something like that with a few other ITers on a google doc. The work is still online but very much incomplete

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When I saw the miners walking around casually after opening the doors, I instantly knew they were "Under the influence." I was then wondering if I was gonna have to put down some civilians a la ME1.

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paxxton wrote...

That sign by the vent in Vancouver is no proof of IT because the face shown on it is not Shepard's. Posted Image jk


What?

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paxxton wrote...

How could Shepard stay with Leviathans underwater? He would suffocate.


Maybe not. They'd probably hijack his body, if they even could, and make him float up to the surface.