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[spotlessvoid]

If Leviathan was lying about not knowing what the crucible does....
If Leviathan is using the organic races to destroy the Reapers, wouldn't it want to warn Shepard about synthesis and control? Shouldn't Leviathan understand how the mass relays work? How did they not figure out over millennia that the citadel could send out a space magic beam? They don't even have a suggestion as to it's function.

Leviathan can't like control because they'd have to fight the ShepReapers and the galaxy in one unified front.

They'd have to feel pretty secure that they'd be immune to synthesis before taking that risk. They already see themselves as the apex of life so synthesis would only be acceptable if it turns everything into Leviathans, which is not what I'd want as an organic. I'm not cool with becoming a heartless jumbo cuttlefish.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 30 août 2012 - 09:36 .

[Ace7]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

How could Shepard stay with Leviathans underwater? He would suffocate.

She was in the atlas. What do you think?

I meant that Leviathan said he would remain underwater (with finite oxygen supply). Or maybe he meant under his mind-control?

Probably the latter, yeah.

What would he do though? Would they keep him on the floating ship or send him away to carry out their wicked deeds? The problem is that they consider shepard so special that they want to 'keep' him but wouldn't he become only as usefull as other humans while under the mind control?

[demersel]

Ace7 wrote...
What would he do though? Would they keep him on the floating ship or send him away to carry out their wicked deeds? The problem is that they consider shepard so special that they want to 'keep' him but wouldn't he become only as usefull as other humans while under the mind control?

But that's the whole point! It shows that the leviathans aren't concerned about lesser creatures and their needs, they just want to control everyone to do their bidding, even if they have no bidding in the first place - same thing that happened to those poor people on the crushed ship according to logs - they just kept them around, untill they all died. 

[spotlessvoid]

demersel wrote...

Ace7 wrote...
What would he do though? Would they keep him on the floating ship or send him away to carry out their wicked deeds? The problem is that they consider shepard so special that they want to 'keep' him but wouldn't he become only as usefull as other humans while under the mind control?

But that's the whole point! It shows that the leviathans aren't concerned about lesser creatures and their needs, they just want to control everyone to do their bidding, even if they have no bidding in the first place - same thing that happened to those poor people on the crushed ship according to logs - they just kept them around, untill they all died. 

I think their intent was to keep them from exploring underwater

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

That sign by the vent in Vancouver is no proof of IT because the face shown on it is not Shepard's.  jk

What?

There's a warning sign with a head struck by a lightning bolt. Btw, my previous post was a joke.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 août 2012 - 09:35 .

[demersel]

[quote]spotlessvoid wrote...
[/quote] I think their intent was to keep them from exploring underwater
[/quote]

No. Their intent was keeping them there in their power. For no reason - there weren't looking for them, didn't know they were there, just wanted to get out of there - they didn't let them. just kept them sitting there. Just for the sake of having someone to control. 

[spotlessvoid]

Back to the crucible thing: How can something be built without either intention or direction. Either you know what you're building or you're following the instructions of someone who does.


The catalyst said synthesis was previously attempted and failed because it can't be forced. That means either they used a different method and actually have no clue if it could work using the crucible/citadel method, or they already know of this method and the brat's lying.

[Ace7]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
 I think their intent was to keep them from exploring underwater

No. Their intent was keeping them there in their power. For no reason - there weren't looking for them, didn't know they were there, just wanted to get out of there - they didn't let them. just kept them sitting there. Just for the sake of having someone to control.

You sure about this? Don't they want shepard for a specific reason? I dont think it's just another case of mind control. They have been watching shepard, they know he/she is different, usefull to them. Especially now that the reapers are onto them.

Modifié par Ace7, 30 août 2012 - 09:48 .

[paxxton]

I think that if BioWare ever released a DLC allowing Shepard to join Cerberus in ME3, the key moment would be in the Mars Archives.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 août 2012 - 09:49 .

[spotlessvoid]

paxxton wrote...

I think that if BioWare ever released a DLC allowing Shepard to join Cerberus in ME3, the key moment would be in the Mars Archives.

that would require reworking most of the game

[demersel]

Ace7 wrote...

You sure about this? Don't they want shepard for a specific reason? I dont think it's just another case of mind control. They have been watching shepard, they know he/she is different, usefull to them. Especially now that the reapers are onto them.

No, initally they just want to keep him there to do their bidding - in a mech on the bottom of the ocean.

Then he says! But i'm trying to desroy the reapers! And i might succede!

They - Hm...let's see... Yeah... looks like you  could do something, kinda...uhm....ok.... go knock yourself out - might make something happen....whatever.

Modifié par demersel, 30 août 2012 - 09:53 .

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I think that if BioWare ever released a DLC allowing Shepard to join Cerberus in ME3, the key moment would be in the Mars Archives.

that would require reworking most of the game

Perhaps. But the way they programmed the original might make it relatively easy.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 août 2012 - 09:55 .

[demersel]

Guys! I clearly remember watching a video where Casey Hudson talks about inspiration behind Mass Effect - He says that one day he saw a picture of a lavcraftian type of creature floating in space in front of a star - and picture gives you the feeling that the creature is going to take a bite out of it. And that's how Mass Effect started - I clearly remember seeing it, it was some time after the release of ME2. Maybe before the release of Lair of the Shadow Broker. I can't find anything like it - help me look!

[Ace7]

demersel wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

You sure about this? Don't they want shepard for a specific reason? I dont think it's just another case of mind control. They have been watching shepard, they know he/she is different, usefull to them. Especially now that the reapers are onto them.

No, initally they just want to keep him there to do their bidding - in a mech on the bottom of the ocean.

Then he says! But i'm trying to desroy the reapers! And i might succede!

They - Hm...let's see... Yeah... looks like you  could do something, kinda...uhm....ok.... go knock yourself out - might make something happen....whatever.

to do their bidding - in a mech on the bottom of the ocean? how in any situation does this make any sense?

I must have a look at that conversation again on youtube tomorrow. Im too tired right now but I do think there's more to the control of shepard than mindless tasks at the bottom of the ocean. Perhaps they want to conduct experiments on him in a lab, similar to the experiments being carried out on the mining asteroid?

[demersel]

Ace7 wrote...
to do their bidding - in a mech on the bottom of the ocean? how in any situation does this make any sense?

I must have a look at that conversation again on youtube tomorrow. Im too tired right now but I do think there's more to the control of shepard than mindless tasks at the bottom of the ocean. Perhaps they want to conduct experiments on him in a lab, similar to the experiments being carried out on the mining asteroid?

But that's the point! Can't you see? 
There is no mindless task. They just want to control him for the sake of controlling him. There is no plan. There is no point. "We'll just keep you here to cater to us." 
That tells you everything you need to know about them. 

[MaximizedAction]

Maybe this was already linked, but it looks like something involving the Citadel might be in for future DLC:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13910521/1#13910521

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 30 août 2012 - 10:08 .

[Daryslash]

Ok, so all the DLC did was giving the Reaper creators a face, confirming Harbinger was the first and giving some stupid war assets that make no difference.

I'm very disappointed.

The playing part was fun, and seeing everyone in action again and all, and solving mysteries. But... impact in the history? Meh.

[Daryslash]

[quote][quote]demersel wrote...

[quote]spotlessvoid wrote...
[/quote] I think their intent was to keep them from exploring underwater
[/quote]

No. Their intent was keeping them there in their power. For no reason - there weren't looking for them, didn't know they were there, just wanted to get out of there - they didn't let them. just kept them sitting there. Just for the sake of having someone to control. 

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I disagree. While the crew weren't trying to explore underwater, they did know something there was weird. If the Leviathans let them get out from the planet, they'd warn other people about that planet, and THEN people would come to explore. That's why the Leaviathans couldn't let anyone escape the planet.

Modifié par Daryslash, 30 août 2012 - 10:21 .

[paxxton]

[quote]Daryslash wrote...

[quote][quote]demersel wrote...

[quote]spotlessvoid wrote...
[/quote] I think their intent was to keep them from exploring underwater
[/quote]

No. Their intent was keeping them there in their power. For no reason - there weren't looking for them, didn't know they were there, just wanted to get out of there - they didn't let them. just kept them sitting there. Just for the sake of having someone to control. 

[/quote][/quote]

I disagree. While the crew weren't trying to explore underwater, they did know something there was weird. If the Leviathans let them get out from the planet, they'd warn other people about that planet, and THEN people would come to explore. That's why the Leaviathans couldn't let anyone escape the planet.
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Exactly my thoughts. Even more so because the planet is habitable.

[demersel]

They could have not shot them down in the first place. You know, keep a low profile.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...


They could have not shot them down in the first place. You know, keep a low profile.

They acted in self-defense, not knowing the new comers' intentions.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 août 2012 - 10:24 .

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...


They could have not shot them down in the first place. You know, keep a low profile.

They acted in self-defense, not knowing the new comers' intentions.

They could have waited a bit - you know to find out new comers intentions (and they really know how to wait)

[Daryslash]

It's funny how the Leaviathan DLC answered the question it intended to answer ("where did the Reapers come from?"), but also gave us another hundred of questions. lol

Either it's a bad written plot, or we're still missing something.

[Daryslash]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...


They could have not shot them down in the first place. You know, keep a low profile.

They acted in self-defense, not knowing the new comers' intentions.

They could have waited a bit - you know to find out new comers intentions (and they really know how to wait)

Nah, they needed to do what was safer for them.

[Fingertrip]

Leviathan is indoctrinated.