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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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plfranke wrote...

On this whole rachni queen note, was I the only one who felt like no matter what choice I made it sucked? You save the rachni queen the krogans die. You get the krogans out the rachni die. And it doesn't even matter in the end cause it's not like you get to see either of them fight.

This reminds me of “[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.” :whistle:


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The description on the asteroid near the remains of arcturus station states that it is possible to taw asteroids through mass relay.

Why can't they try to make a weapon out of that?

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I guess whoever said that forgot to include the words DLC in the statement.

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

On this whole rachni queen note, was I the only one who felt like no matter what choice I made it sucked? You save the rachni queen the krogans die. You get the krogans out the rachni die. And it doesn't even matter in the end cause it's not like you get to see either of them fight.

This reminds me of “[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.” :whistle:



This is an indoctrination theory discussion thread, and i'm surprised, that i have to remind you, that here we believe that we have yet to see the final battle. 

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demersel wrote...

The description on the asteroid near the remains of arcturus station states that it is possible to taw asteroids through mass relay.

Why can't they try to make a weapon out of that?


Its been discussed before. You wouldn't be able to use a relay like that because all they do is connect to another relay somewhere else in the galaxy. You also cant use FTL as a kamikazi weapon because all FTL technology have safety measures that prevent ships from crashing into things at FTL speeds.

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plfranke wrote...

On this whole rachni queen note, was I the only one who felt like no matter what choice I made it sucked? You save the rachni queen the krogans die. You get the krogans out the rachni die. And it doesn't even matter in the end cause it's not like you get to see either of them fight.


Aralakh company was like maybe 20 krogan.

You sacrifice 20 krogan to save an entire species. Thats not a bad trade.

Though, when I thought Grunt died, I was ready to reload and let the rachni die.

Grunt is my baby. No one gets to hurt him.

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demersel wrote...
This is an indoctrination theory discussion thread, and i'm surprised, that i have to remind you, that here we believe that we have yet to see the final battle. 

Your condescension is both noted and summarily ignored.

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I guess whoever said that forgot to include the words DLC in the statement.

It was Mac Walters. And I doubt we'll see much more with the Rachni. Perhaps in the next title.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 31 août 2012 - 02:55 .


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byne wrote...

plfranke wrote...

On this whole rachni queen note, was I the only one who felt like no matter what choice I made it sucked? You save the rachni queen the krogans die. You get the krogans out the rachni die. And it doesn't even matter in the end cause it's not like you get to see either of them fight.


Aralakh company was like maybe 20 krogan.

You sacrifice 20 krogan to save an entire species. Thats not a bad trade.

Though, when I thought Grunt died, I was ready to reload and let the rachni die.

Grunt is my baby. No one gets to hurt him.

You would think this. Yet judging by numerical war assets and cut scenes in the final battle, the choice doesn't seem to matter one way or the other.

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plfranke wrote...

On this whole rachni queen note, was I the only one who felt like no matter what choice I made it sucked? You save the rachni queen the krogans die. You get the krogans out the rachni die. And it doesn't even matter in the end cause it's not like you get to see either of them fight.


An entire race isn't worth a handful of Krogan, at least if you choose to save them in ME1.  they can reform Arlakh Company, I mean Liara's terminal has Grunt addressing the new Arlakh Company recruits right after you do that mission.

Didn't take long...
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Modifié par Arashi08, 31 août 2012 - 02:56 .


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byne wrote...

plfranke wrote...

On this whole rachni queen note, was I the only one who felt like no matter what choice I made it sucked? You save the rachni queen the krogans die. You get the krogans out the rachni die. And it doesn't even matter in the end cause it's not like you get to see either of them fight.


Aralakh company was like maybe 20 krogan.

You sacrifice 20 krogan to save an entire species. Thats not a bad trade.

Though, when I thought Grunt died, I was ready to reload and let the rachni die.

Grunt is my baby. No one gets to hurt him.


Confession: I reset as he walked out of the cave covered in blood thinking he was just going to die in my arms minutes later.

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plfranke wrote...

byne wrote...

plfranke wrote...

On this whole rachni queen note, was I the only one who felt like no matter what choice I made it sucked? You save the rachni queen the krogans die. You get the krogans out the rachni die. And it doesn't even matter in the end cause it's not like you get to see either of them fight.


Aralakh company was like maybe 20 krogan.

You sacrifice 20 krogan to save an entire species. Thats not a bad trade.

Though, when I thought Grunt died, I was ready to reload and let the rachni die.

Grunt is my baby. No one gets to hurt him.

You would think this. Yet judging by numerical war assets and cut scenes in the final battle, the choice doesn't seem to matter one way or the other.

The entire "War Asset" system was awkwardly executed, for the most part.

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GIVE IT A REST. IT is dead...sorry people, go back to living your meaningless, pitiful lives.



Does this prove literalist theory?

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was I the only one who initially thought Leviathan was a defector Reaper until they actually mentioned he was a Reaper, then I thought "Well..He's definitely not a Reaper, not since the characters suggested that it was a possiblity, maybe he's the original organic form the Reapers took the form of like the IT thread was talking about?"

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

It was Mac Walters. And I doubt we'll see much more with the Rachni. Perhaps in the next title.



I don’t know, the Rachni are supposedly pretty important and considering the Rachni queens message in ME2 I don’t think we’ve seen the last of her. If we have then Bioware have wasted a huge opportunity, then again that could be said about a great many things in ME3.

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FFZero wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

It was Mac Walters. And I doubt we'll see much more with the Rachni. Perhaps in the next title.



I don’t know, the Rachni are supposedly pretty important and considering the Rachni queens message in ME2 I don’t think we’ve seen the last of her. If we have then Bioware have wasted a huge opportunity, then again that could be said about a great many things in ME3.

I was hoping to at least see a Rachni ship or two after they were mentioned being potentially spotted in an ambient news announcement in ME2.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 31 août 2012 - 03:04 .


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It's funny how the Leaviathan DLC answered the question it intended to answer ("where did the Reapers come from?"), but also gave us another hundred of questions. lol

Either it's a bad written plot, or we're still missing something.



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FFZero wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

It was Mac Walters. And I doubt we'll see much more with the Rachni. Perhaps in the next title.



I don’t know, the Rachni are supposedly pretty important and considering the Rachni queens message in ME2 I don’t think we’ve seen the last of her. If we have then Bioware have wasted a huge opportunity, then again that could be said about a great many things in ME3.


I don't think we're close to seeing everything Bioware has up their sleeves. I predict ME3's single player campaign being roughly twice its original size by the time theyre done rolling out DLC. I think post ending DLC is highly likely in the distant future only because the speculation, while doing its job to keep player interest up, has to end at some point. 

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I don't know guys this is a lot of poorly written plots. There are ways to lead up to indoctrination theory without continuously giving the illusion of bad writing. Anybody here losing hope?

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

It was Mac Walters. And I doubt we'll see much more with the Rachni. Perhaps in the next title.



I don’t know, the Rachni are supposedly pretty important and considering the Rachni queens message in ME2 I don’t think we’ve seen the last of her. If we have then Bioware have wasted a huge opportunity, then again that could be said about a great many things in ME3.


I don't think we're close to seeing everything Bioware has up their sleeves. I predict ME3's single player campaign being roughly twice its original size by the time theyre done rolling out DLC. I think post ending DLC is highly likely in the distant future only because the speculation, while doing its job to keep player interest up, has to end at some point. 

I agree. Something has to be added soon either at the end of 2012 or very beginning of 2013 that adds satisfaction. Not speculation but a feeling inside that the dlc and the game without a doubt was worth it.

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plfranke wrote...

I don't know guys this is a lot of poorly written plots. There are ways to lead up to indoctrination theory without continuously giving the illusion of bad writing. Anybody here losing hope?


Poorly written yet brilliant enough to trick players into supporting the reapers and defending their choice to the death on forums.

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 31 août 2012 - 03:20 .


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byne wrote...

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Grunt is my baby. No one gets to hurt him.



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Ohai guys, what's going on?

Modifié par lex0r11, 31 août 2012 - 03:20 .


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plfranke wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

It was Mac Walters. And I doubt we'll see much more with the Rachni. Perhaps in the next title.



I don’t know, the Rachni are supposedly pretty important and considering the Rachni queens message in ME2 I don’t think we’ve seen the last of her. If we have then Bioware have wasted a huge opportunity, then again that could be said about a great many things in ME3.


I don't think we're close to seeing everything Bioware has up their sleeves. I predict ME3's single player campaign being roughly twice its original size by the time theyre done rolling out DLC. I think post ending DLC is highly likely in the distant future only because the speculation, while doing its job to keep player interest up, has to end at some point. 

I agree. Something has to be added soon either at the end of 2012 or very beginning of 2013 that adds satisfaction. Not speculation but a feeling inside that the dlc and the game without a doubt was worth it.


Leviathan alone took me 5hrs to complete and blew my mind with how amazing it was. I cant wait for what else they have in store.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

plfranke wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

It was Mac Walters. And I doubt we'll see much more with the Rachni. Perhaps in the next title.



I don’t know, the Rachni are supposedly pretty important and considering the Rachni queens message in ME2 I don’t think we’ve seen the last of her. If we have then Bioware have wasted a huge opportunity, then again that could be said about a great many things in ME3.


I don't think we're close to seeing everything Bioware has up their sleeves. I predict ME3's single player campaign being roughly twice its original size by the time theyre done rolling out DLC. I think post ending DLC is highly likely in the distant future only because the speculation, while doing its job to keep player interest up, has to end at some point. 

I agree. Something has to be added soon either at the end of 2012 or very beginning of 2013 that adds satisfaction. Not speculation but a feeling inside that the dlc and the game without a doubt was worth it.


Leviathan alone took me 5hrs to complete and blew my mind with how amazing it was. I cant wait for what else they have in store.

Well it was amazing until you actually speak to Leviathan and get bs answers.
Shepard: Why did you create the Reapers?
Leviathan: We saw that synthetic and organic relationships always ended in conflict. Therefore, the only solution was to create a synthetic. Then it betrayed us and for all our power we were helpless against the cavemen it controlled.
Shepard: What about the crucible?
Leviathan: End result is unknown.

Skip to ending.
Shepard: The Leviathans are a part of this war now!
Catalyst: Good, I welcome their involvement.

End of Leviathan

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Leviathan alone took me 5hrs to complete and blew my mind with how amazing it was. I cant wait for what else they have in store.


Leviathan didn’t blow my mind but it was definitely better than ME2‘s DLC and it set the bar pretty high for future ME3 DLC. Hope the ME team don’t disappoint.

One thing I find weird though is that they’re still adding war assets to the game. Everyone should be able to get the necessary EMS for the best versions of the endings/space magic easily now without having to use MP. Loads of people have even said that you need to purposefully set out to get low EMS endings now and carefully plan what missions you do, what squad mates you keep alive, what decisions you make etc. I mean I know it’s logical, you’d expect to gain more stuff through DLC, but given what some of the new war assets are I just find it odd.

Makes me hopeful that maybe a conventional victory is on the cards, maybe once we have all DLC.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Leviathan alone took me 5hrs to complete and blew my mind with how amazing it was. I cant wait for what else they have in store.


5 hours?

What were you doing that whole time?

Took me maybe 2.5 hours.