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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Damn it, now my sleep is REALLY screwed up.

Oh, unicorn eater is here.

I should go.

Back to writing....

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-They're harvesting us. Letting us advance to the level they need, then wiping us out.
-There is no war, only the harvest.
-You will remain here as a servant of our needs.
-Your mind belongs to me now.
-Struggle if you wish, your mind will be mine.
-Your leaders will beg to serve us.

Lots of stuff.

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Gwyphon wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Something I pulled from the Extended Cut DLC files:

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Dreamlight_Tile?


It's quite pretty. Don't remember seeing it around though.


Only place I've seen it is on TIM's hologram on Thessia.

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Is this really still going on? I respect your opinion but the EC has already shoved IT out of the way, it would have been an interesting twist but EA wouldn't have gone the extra mile to put money and time on the line for a FREE DLC, would they?

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Gwyphon wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Something I pulled from the Extended Cut DLC files:

Posted Image

Dreamlight_Tile?


It's quite pretty. Don't remember seeing it around though.

Thought I'd point out that it says "Guardian" in it. The actual name of the "catalyst". Remember people:
The only time it is said the child is the catalyst is when he tells you. It doesn't say it in the subtitles, it doesn't say it in the credits, and it seems like Bioware don't even say that. They say Guardian; his original title.

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Untonic wrote...

Is this really still going on? I respect your opinion but the EC has already shoved IT out of the way, it would have been an interesting twist but EA wouldn't have gone the extra mile to put money and time on the line for a FREE DLC, would they?


Watch me collapse in horror at the superiority of your deductive reasoning.

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Untonic wrote...

Is this really still going on? I respect your opinion but the EC has already shoved IT out of the way, it would have been an interesting twist but EA wouldn't have gone the extra mile to put money and time on the line for a FREE DLC, would they?


You mean they just rather tell us that Shepard was indoctrinated? Bioware really isn't in the business of spoon feeding people. They give people a bunch of clues and involve them in the story. More fun than just flat out tell us.

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Untonic wrote...

Is this really still going on? I respect your opinion but the EC has already shoved IT out of the way, it would have been an interesting twist but EA wouldn't have gone the extra mile to put money and time on the line for a FREE DLC, would they?

More of these people? Really? Okay, no offense, but please show us the proof that EC disproved IT. How did it do this? It actually strengthens it...

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Untonic wrote...

Is this really still going on? I respect your opinion but the EC has already shoved IT out of the way, it would have been an interesting twist but EA wouldn't have gone the extra mile to put money and time on the line for a FREE DLC, would they?


IEU should be more like this guy.

Anyway, EC helped IT as much as it hurt it in-game.  You're right though, they wouldn't spend all that time on a new fake ending if they were planning a real one right around the corner.  Which is why personally I'm worried that they'll either wait for ME4 to reveal, or never tell us one way or the other (TEH NERDRAGE!).  Especially worries me that they responded that one time asking how long it took to find out if Deckard was a replicant.  Which was about 20 years.

The general consensus around here isn't that they're going to give us the "real" ending anytime soon.  But that doesn't mean they didn't plant clues in the game to tell us things may not be as they seem.

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byne wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

I'll explain it to you like you're 12, since you're behaving like one. Like I said before, you're a part of this community whether you like it or not, help the community for the greater good by supporting a plea for a better ending, or answers at best, instead of wasting time speculating to no productive end


"If you dont believe as I do, and do what I tell you, you arent helping achieve the greater good!"

And I'm the one who is acting like a 12 year old?

Has it ever once occurred to you that I simply dont agree with you? That maybe I'm not doing it to simply be a contrarian, but that I honestly disagree?


- You nitpick my posts ignoring every pertinent point I make, then run away
- You refuse to help the community for the greater good and instead prefer overspeculating on things in the game to no productive end
- You're too stubborn to help because you don't want to believe the ending was poor writing

If you're not 12, you're being irrational. 
It's just from the recent leviathan dlc that some fans are worried in the direction the me universe is heading as well as remembering how horrid the ending is. During the original PR fiasco, most people wanted an entirely different ending, not a clarification on the original ones. Now that most people during that time left this site after the ec dlc, the people remaining are avid fans of the series. I'm hoping that the least we can get from Bioware are some answers to the endings as to why they were so bad to begin with, since they don't have to deal with the huge pressure from the PR fiasco. 

You can help the rest of us fans by contributing to a plea that gives us avid fans answers at least, and maybe save the universe from a bad direction by giving the trilogy the ending it deserves. 

Irrelevant to my point, but here is a recent gamesradar editorial as to why Bioware should release alternate ending dlc: 
http://www.gamesrada...-mass-effect-3/ 

Modifié par I_eat_unicorns, 31 août 2012 - 05:56 .


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Rifneno wrote...

Untonic wrote...

Is this really still going on? I respect your opinion but the EC has already shoved IT out of the way, it would have been an interesting twist but EA wouldn't have gone the extra mile to put money and time on the line for a FREE DLC, would they?


IEU should be more like this guy.

Anyway, EC helped IT as much as it hurt it in-game.  You're right though, they wouldn't spend all that time on a new fake ending if they were planning a real one right around the corner.  Which is why personally I'm worried that they'll either wait for ME4 to reveal, or never tell us one way or the other (TEH NERDRAGE!).  Especially worries me that they responded that one time asking how long it took to find out if Deckard was a replicant.  Which was about 20 years.

The general consensus around here isn't that they're going to give us the "real" ending anytime soon.  But that doesn't mean they didn't plant clues in the game to tell us things may not be as they seem.


What worries me the most is that Bioware considers synthesis to be the CANON ending

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I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Untonic wrote...

Is this really still going on? I respect your opinion but the EC has already shoved IT out of the way, it would have been an interesting twist but EA wouldn't have gone the extra mile to put money and time on the line for a FREE DLC, would they?


IEU should be more like this guy.

Anyway, EC helped IT as much as it hurt it in-game.  You're right though, they wouldn't spend all that time on a new fake ending if they were planning a real one right around the corner.  Which is why personally I'm worried that they'll either wait for ME4 to reveal, or never tell us one way or the other (TEH NERDRAGE!).  Especially worries me that they responded that one time asking how long it took to find out if Deckard was a replicant.  Which was about 20 years.

The general consensus around here isn't that they're going to give us the "real" ending anytime soon.  But that doesn't mean they didn't plant clues in the game to tell us things may not be as they seem.


What worries me the most is that Bioware considers synthesis to be the CANON ending


What worries me most is the thought that you might not go away.

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magnetite wrote...

Untonic wrote...

Is this really still going on? I respect your opinion but the EC has already shoved IT out of the way, it would have been an interesting twist but EA wouldn't have gone the extra mile to put money and time on the line for a FREE DLC, would they?


You mean they just rather tell us that Shepard was indoctrinated? Bioware really isn't in the business of spoon feeding people. They give people a bunch of clues and involve them in the story. More fun than just flat out tell us.


They wouldn't purposefully risk their business to make the IT. The original endings had people make press releases, donations of thousands of dollars in a single day, and tons of groups/petitions for a new ending. If they really wanted the IT to be true, they would have done it through the ec dlc. 

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Rifneno wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Untonic wrote...

Is this really still going on? I respect your opinion but the EC has already shoved IT out of the way, it would have been an interesting twist but EA wouldn't have gone the extra mile to put money and time on the line for a FREE DLC, would they?


IEU should be more like this guy.

Anyway, EC helped IT as much as it hurt it in-game.  You're right though, they wouldn't spend all that time on a new fake ending if they were planning a real one right around the corner.  Which is why personally I'm worried that they'll either wait for ME4 to reveal, or never tell us one way or the other (TEH NERDRAGE!).  Especially worries me that they responded that one time asking how long it took to find out if Deckard was a replicant.  Which was about 20 years.

The general consensus around here isn't that they're going to give us the "real" ending anytime soon.  But that doesn't mean they didn't plant clues in the game to tell us things may not be as they seem.


What worries me the most is that Bioware considers synthesis to be the CANON ending


What worries me most is the thought that you might not go away.


Right, because this is a discusson forum.

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Rifneno wrote...

What worries me most is the thought that you might not go away.

I love your posts Dr. Rif. Seriously. Posted Image

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The ending is open to interpretation. IT is one interpretation of many. There is no official ending. It's what you make of it.

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To be honest, you guys don't have solid proof either. But at least I'm not going to rant about the endings for the months, even years to come and just accept it was a burp in our Mass Effect gaming experience.

Stuff happens, people make mistakes, franchises get tarnished and battered welcome to the corporate life.

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I_eat_unicorns wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Untonic wrote...

Is this really still going on? I respect your opinion but the EC has already shoved IT out of the way, it would have been an interesting twist but EA wouldn't have gone the extra mile to put money and time on the line for a FREE DLC, would they?


You mean they just rather tell us that Shepard was indoctrinated? Bioware really isn't in the business of spoon feeding people. They give people a bunch of clues and involve them in the story. More fun than just flat out tell us.


They wouldn't purposefully risk their business to make the IT. The original endings had people make press releases, donations of thousands of dollars in a single day, and tons of groups/petitions for a new ending. If they really wanted the IT to be true, they would have done it through the ec dlc. 

1. I think they did risk it. If IT isn't true, they made a hell of a gamble anyway, releasing an ending to purposely be ambiguous and cause speculation.
2. No, they wouldn't have made the confirmation through EC. Because there would not have been enough time amongst other reasons.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 31 août 2012 - 06:03 .


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I_eat_unicorns wrote...


- You nitpick my posts ignoring every pertinent point I make, then run away
- You refuse to help the community for the greater good and instead prefer overspeculating on things in the game to no productive end
- You're too stubborn to help because you don't want to believe the ending was poor writing

If you're not 12, you're being irrational. 
It's just from the recent leviathan dlc that some fans are worried in the direction the me universe is heading as well as remembering how horrid the ending is. During the original PR fiasco, most people wanted an entirely different ending, not a clarification on the original ones. Now that most people during that time left this site after the ec dlc, the people remaining are avid fans of the series. I'm hoping that the least we can get from Bioware are some answers to the endings as to why they were so bad to begin with, since they don't have to deal with the huge pressure from the PR fiasco. 

You can help the rest of us fans by contributing to a plea that gives us avid fans answers at least, and maybe save the universe from a bad direction by giving the trilogy the ending it deserves. 


Irrelevant to my point, but here is a recent gamesradar editorial as to why Bioware should release alternate ending dlc: 
http://www.gamesrada...-mass-effect-3/ 


You realize, I hope, that the main difference between us is that you believe you have to fight for that, whereas I believe it is already in the works, and will be released in due time?

You trying to force me into 'helping the community' be demanding an alternate ending is silly.

If I called you an irrational 12 year old for not helping the community by demanding an IT DLC be released as soon as possible, I'm sure you wouldnt do so, even if the entire rest of the community was banding together to do so.

I suspect that you, just like me, wouldnt simply change your beliefs to do what someone else claims is beneficial to the majority when you dont agree with it.

As to your very first point, I dont really think intending to go to sleep counts as running away. If you do, I guess I cant change that, but if I was 'running away' I'd probably just say I'm going afk for a while. I did actually intend to go to sleep earlier, and had no ulterior motives for saying so. I couldnt get to sleep, so I came back to chat some more.

Although, now I am tired, and am going to try to go to bed again.

I hope you dont see this as me 'running away.' It is 2am and I got up at 6am, so I am simply tired. Nothing more, nothing less.

Modifié par byne, 31 août 2012 - 06:05 .


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Untonic wrote...

To be honest, you guys don't have solid proof either.

Not proof. Evidence. Big difference. If we had proof, there would be no dicussion!

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Untonic wrote...

To be honest, you guys don't have solid proof either. But at least I'm not going to rant about the endings for the months, even years to come and just accept it was a burp in our Mass Effect gaming experience.

Stuff happens, people make mistakes, franchises get tarnished and battered welcome to the corporate life.


Atleast we don't jump into your threads and state that your beliefs are wrong.

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Why do I get the feeling that this is all one and the same guy, with multiple BSN accounts?

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byne wrote...

Although, now I am tired, and am going to try to go to bed again.

I hope you dont see this as me 'running away.' It is 2am and I got up at 6am, so I am simply tired. Nothing more, nothing less.

I hate it when people say "Ha! You're running away!" when you actually need to leave. Anyway, goodnight!

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Untonic wrote...

To be honest, you guys don't have solid proof either.

Not proof. Evidence. Big difference. If we had proof, there would be no dicussion!


Okay, change Proof to Evidence, you realize that's a synonym? 

Your point has no validation, it's just a /bump.

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Wasting time, it's what we do on this thread you know.

I mean, jeez we could be curing cancer, or writing great works of literature, or changing the political climate of the planet but nooooooooooo! We just feel the need to sit here, in this internet forum, and speculate on how an ending may or may not be as we see it. I mean, it isn't like we were TOLD to speculate and it isn't like Chris Priestly said that IT is a VALID INTERPRETATION for ME3's ending and that the thread belonged here and not in the fan-fiction section.

Instead, we should devote our time and effort to beating a dead horse and file "a well thought out and organized list of complaints" to BioWare about how we demand the ending should be changed, because, heh, we all know that it worked out well the last time we did that. YES! we should totally do that instead of curing diseases or winning the Pulitzer Prize or discovering real life FTL travel.,,or specualting about stuff...

Goddess! we are SUCH TIME-WASTERS!!!!!