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[I_eat_unicorns]

magnetite wrote...

Spoony comments on Mass Effect 3 ending

May have been posted before on the site, but this guy basically talks about the ending, as well as a bunch of other things. In short, he had the idea of indoctrination as he was playing the game because he can analytically think about things. I'm kind of the same way.

The Mass Effect 3 segment of the video is an hour long, with the whole video being 97 minutes.

ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end.

So?
Aren't people entitled to their own opinions about what happened? To
only accept Bioware's writing as truth, is actually an example of real
world indoctrination (eg. cultists, extremist groups, etc).

To only accept Bioware's writing as truth, is actually an example of real 
world indoctrination 

To only accept Bioware's writing as truth, is actually an example of real 
world indoctrination 

To only accept Bioware's writing as truth, is actually an example of real 
world indoctrination 

To only accept Bioware's writing as truth, is actually an example of real 
world indoctrination 

...accepting the writing of an author.... is indoctrination?

[Hrothdane]

Untonic wrote...

How hard is that to believe that preaching isn't only a religious issue?

It isn't. Just seems an odd choice of word in this context.

[ScorpioShane7]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

IIT supporters are under the assumption that Bioware/Ea wants money, yet if they really were that desperate form money, they would have charged the extended cut dlc, knowing at that time that people were desperate for anything to fix/change the endings to mass effect 3. People would ahve complained, but still bought it as people complain about food at a restaurant and still eat there, or complain about a thrift store's "overpricing and dominance in the market" and still shop there. Consumers are just hypocrites like that. 

Would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

At this point, currently believeing that the writers "secretly intended the IT to be correct" after the release of the EC DLC is exactly equal to believing that the thing in the box at the end of 'Seven ' was a ham sandwich, or that Obi Wan Kenobi was meant to be Luke Skywalker come back from the future to guide himself. 

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. 

And even if a new ending was made, the indoctrination theory is not needed as a "transition" for that new ending. That's just a waste of time, it would be more smoothly done if it was just a new ending. 

So quit wasting time speculating to no productive end and help the community by supporting a plea to change the endings, or get answers at least. 

First, most of this comment is just ... wrong. I believe IT might be true simply because it is the ONLY. WAY. THE. END. MAKES. PERFECT. SENSE. Even with the "EC" ending there are still so many unanswered questions of logic! I like the "EC" endings very much, but it wouldn't surprise me if Bioware intends much more from this story. All the evidence stacks up in favor of IT. Indoctrination is a huge part of the story! We are seeing the evidence and clues throughout the entire end sequence that support the fact that something is not right. We are not "wasting time" speculating, you (removes insult). However, you are for suggesting a "plea" for a better ending. If I hated the ending of any story (in any medium), then I would not waste my precious time begging, on my hands and knees, the creators of the story for a "better" ending. It is a laughable thought. It just seems pathetic. Move on. We are only discussing what we believe is already there. To make my point, it is not so much akin to saying that Obi wan is Luke in "SW". What we are saying is more along the lines of realizing that Bruce Willis is dead in "The Sixth Sense". In other words, clues abound throughout the story that hint for those that are willing to look.

[Hrothdane]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Spoony comments on Mass Effect 3 ending

May have been posted before on the site, but this guy basically talks about the ending, as well as a bunch of other things. In short, he had the idea of indoctrination as he was playing the game because he can analytically think about things. I'm kind of the same way.

The Mass Effect 3 segment of the video is an hour long, with the whole video being 97 minutes.

ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end.

So?
Aren't people entitled to their own opinions about what happened? To
only accept Bioware's writing as truth, is actually an example of real
world indoctrination (eg. cultists, extremist groups, etc).

To only accept Bioware's writing as truth, is actually an example of real 
world indoctrination 

To only accept Bioware's writing as truth, is actually an example of real 
world indoctrination 

To only accept Bioware's writing as truth, is actually an example of real 
world indoctrination 

To only accept Bioware's writing as truth, is actually an example of real 
world indoctrination 

...accepting the writing of an author.... is indoctrination?

I think he means indoctrination in the common, real world sense of the word that you would find in the dictionary, not the Mass Effect version of the word

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

Another hint I noticed that I don't think I've seen anyone mention: at the end of Leviathan when Shepard gets out of the Atlas Triton repainted Atlas and the brute almost kills him before Leviathan ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROLs it. The message is "if you don't wake up at the end after destroy, it's because you didn't have enough support and ground forces killed you before you could regain consciousness."

Nice one.

[Untonic]

Hrothdane wrote...

Untonic wrote...

How hard is that to believe that preaching isn't only a religious issue?

It isn't. Just seems an odd choice of word in this context.

Oh it is an odd choice and why I chose it, because honestly this whole debate is on similar grounds to a degree. Anything can be taken out of context if you know how to use it.

[Gwyphon]

Untonic wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Untonic wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Untonic wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

We don't really have a mission. We just dicsuss IT with others who are open to it. We don't preach or anything. Not like you're pretty much doing...
Also, "But IT is just a theory!"
"Well, so is gravity and I don't see you jumping out of buildings."

The fact that your commenting is considered preaching your ideals. You my friend, have outdone yourself.

How the? Please explain how commenting is preaching...

Preaching doesn't have to involve a Bible, it involved one feeding someone an idea of theirs to get them thinking or understanding on their field. Commenting is defending yourself, you preach your belief in what you fight for.

Defending =/= Preaching

Yeah, I... Um, what?

Yeah, I would have to say that preaching is defending. In a Churchy sense, the only reason they still exist is because they defend their beliefs by preaching it. Republicans and Democrats preach their ways to defend it from falling into history. Laws preach to us to defend what they stand for, actions preach to us because they defend a concept like "I'll go to jail if I shoot someone", that is defended, and it preaches it to tell us otherwise.

How hard is that to believe that preaching isn't only a religious issue?

I would probably say that they are defending their belief from non-believers preaching. Why else would they even NEED to defend their beliefs unless some one publicly attempted to teach them otherwise. Oh hey look there's a definition of preaching!
Preaching: To publicly proclaim or teach
How'd that get there?

[jasonh10]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

jasonh10 wrote...

So I have a question. They were able to block Leviathan from taking over Anna by using some kind of shield, and they also said (I think) that Sovereign was shielded as to block off indoctrination. Is this even possible? I didn't know that the reapers could be blocked like that. i mean it happened, so I guess it is, I just thought indoctrination was something that couldn't really be prevented like that.

Well, reaper indoctrination is achieved in large part due to infrasound/ultrasound. So yes, you should be able to shield yourself from it somewhat.

Hmm. I wonder how that works though. Soundwaves can't travel through space so it has to be created in a person's head, or maybe somewhere in the room around them? Leviathan could do this through the orbs, but reapers don't use them. Of course, you have to come in contact wuith some reaper tech, I believe, to intiate the indoctrination, but they're still in your head even if it's not longer around. And then they can just use you to amplify their signal, like the rewire you or something.

Maybe I'm just thinking too much into this lol.

[spotlessvoid]

@unatonic

Church is different because they claim their speculations are absolute truth. Just like you claim your literal interpretation is. You are guilty of your own accusations while we aren't. How dumb can you be?

And now you are brining up politics? This just isn't the place for religion and politics.

[ScorpioShane7]

Adios for now guys.

[BansheeOwnage]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

After going through Levi DLC again, the Leviathan does confirm the existence of an intelligence (catalyst), which is just how the Catalyst explains himself. But just because it is confirmed I don't think it disproves the IT theory.

What I thought was interesting was Levi's obvious hesitation to talk about the crucible, he definately knew more and thought carefully how to answer that question.

Yes. I acutally think that helps IT. Now everything in the last scene is represented by Shepard's memories. Shepard knows there is some kind of intelligence, and it is seen as the kid. I also think Harbinger is the "intelligence". It would be the first time he deceived you by appearing as someone he is not.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 31 août 2012 - 06:56 .

[Hrothdane]

ScorpioShane7 wrote...

Adios for now guys.

Long days and pleasant nights to you.

[Rifneno]

What's that old saying about how the best lies are ones based on a grain of truth?

[Untonic]

Gwyphon wrote...

Untonic wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Untonic wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Untonic wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

We don't really have a mission. We just dicsuss IT with others who are open to it. We don't preach or anything. Not like you're pretty much doing...
Also, "But IT is just a theory!"
"Well, so is gravity and I don't see you jumping out of buildings."

The fact that your commenting is considered preaching your ideals. You my friend, have outdone yourself.

How the? Please explain how commenting is preaching...

Preaching doesn't have to involve a Bible, it involved one feeding someone an idea of theirs to get them thinking or understanding on their field. Commenting is defending yourself, you preach your belief in what you fight for.

Defending =/= Preaching

Yeah, I... Um, what?

Yeah, I would have to say that preaching is defending. In a Churchy sense, the only reason they still exist is because they defend their beliefs by preaching it. Republicans and Democrats preach their ways to defend it from falling into history. Laws preach to us to defend what they stand for, actions preach to us because they defend a concept like "I'll go to jail if I shoot someone", that is defended, and it preaches it to tell us otherwise.

How hard is that to believe that preaching isn't only a religious issue?

I would probably say that they are defending their belief from non-believers preaching. Why else would they even NEED to defend their beliefs unless some one publicly attempted to teach them otherwise. Oh hey look there's a definition of preaching!
Preaching: To publicly proclaim or teach
How'd that get there?

And you are publicly proclaiming your belief in IT, I really don't see the point of arguing when I'm right. And yes, I happen to be preaching my belief myself, oh no that was so hard to acknowledge.

[BansheeOwnage]

ScorpioShane7 wrote...

Adios for now guys.

Bye.

[BansheeOwnage]

Untonic wrote...

I really don't see the point of arguing when I'm right.

...

[Untonic]

spotlessvoid wrote...

@unatonic

Church is different because they claim their speculations are absolute truth. Just like you claim your literal interpretation is. You are guilty of your own accusations while we aren't. How dumb can you be?

And now you are brining up politics? This just isn't the place for religion and politics.

And some of you guys think IT is absolute truth, don't you see where I'm getting at?

The whole division due to the ending has made a similar battleground from the IT people, and the Non-IT people. Left wing and Right wing (Concept, not saying my idea is Right winged or IT is left winged). 

And yes, this isn't the place for religion or politics but in order for someone to at least acknowledge someone else's perspective one must find something everyone or at a few have an idea about. I wouldn't go ranting about the difference between Polish food and Russian food, because most people can't relate or don't care.

Modifié par Untonic, 31 août 2012 - 07:03 .

[Untonic]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Untonic wrote...

I really don't see the point of arguing when I'm right.

...

Taking that out of context? Never said my idea is right, the fact that everyone here is preaching, is truth. And that's where I'm right in.

[BansheeOwnage]

Untonic wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Untonic wrote...

I really don't see the point of arguing when I'm right.

...

Taking that out of context? Never said my idea is right, the fact that everyone here is preaching, is truth. And that's where I'm right in.

No. We're not preaching. We're discussing. Have you seen anyone here say "OMG guys IT is true seriously guys"?
robably not.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 31 août 2012 - 07:08 .

[Rifneno]

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

Thank you.

[plfranke]

Hrothdane wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Also Leviathan changed the first dream for those of you that are interested.

Oh? How so?

Where there was once just a reaper horn there is now reaper old tongue.

[Untonic]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Untonic wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Untonic wrote...

I really don't see the point of arguing when I'm right.

...

Taking that out of context? Never said my idea is right, the fact that everyone here is preaching, is truth. And that's where I'm right in.

No. We're not preaching. We're discussing. Have you seen anyone here say "OMG guys IT is true seriously guys."
Probably not.

 Yes I have actually, discussing yes, proclaiming ideas--yes. I really don't see how hard it is for you people to realize that everyone has that inert feeling to have others follow in ideal or have others share the same. The fact that you're sharing ideas builds up the belief and makes it stand higher. 

 Preaching is just another word for it. 

[Gwyphon]

plfranke wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Also Leviathan changed the first dream for those of you that are interested.

Oh? How so?

Where there was once just a reaper horn there is now reaper old tongue.

Really? I would LOVE a video of that!