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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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spotlessvoid

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Unatonic by your logic any form of spoken or written word is preaching. Paradigm breaking stuff there. "What if....everything is preaching man" So deep

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Rifneno wrote...

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 Nice for someone to post this, really goes both ways.

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Untonic, why are you trying so hard to make them admit that they're "publicly proclaiming" their belief or preaching it?

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Unatonic by your logic any form of spoken or written word is preaching. Paradigm breaking stuff there. "What if....everything is preaching man" So deep


First of all, it's "Untonic", just like to point that out in a civil fashion, can you guys seriously just chill a bit and think out of the box? 

Preaching, for the 3rd time or so, is another form of discussion. One pops out an idea, and wants others to reflect. I don't understand why you guys just can't grasp that simple concept, it's nothing as deep or complex as IT. 

I used that word for controversy, and you guys live up to it. I'm looking at this on both sides.

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Lilliun wrote...

Untonic, why are you trying so hard to make them admit that they're "publicly proclaiming" their belief or preaching it?


I'm not? Aren't they proclaiming that they believe in IT? So is it not right to relate that in a similar fashion?

Just because I don't use mainstream words doesn't mean that it doesn't fit. I myself consider.. myself... to be preaching at this very moment. In orther words, I am discussing my stance on the matter and state opinion.

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Also Leviathan changed the first dream for those of you that are interested.


Oh? How so?

Where there was once just a reaper horn there is now reaper old tongue.

Really? I would LOVE a video of that! :o

Please.

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Lilliun wrote...

Untonic, why are you trying so hard to make them admit that they're "publicly proclaiming" their belief or preaching it?


Because He's an
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Alright, goodnight everyone. Posted Image

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 Alright I'm done here, just about found out that you guys can't handle someone thinking a tad bit different.
 This is getting really annoying, but as I stated before, I am curious on the very nature of IT, I don't deny the idea, but I personally don't believe in it. Which is fine, we all have opinions, I was just curious if you guys could go out of your way to think for a moment how my perspective is.
Neither is correct, and we have evidence to back ourselves up. This debate will probably never end but at least some of you could have the courage to not be so one-sided and get a consensus on the situation. 

Goodnight fellow gamers, I don't hold any grudges and I don't regret anything I said. :)

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Untonic wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Unatonic by your logic any form of spoken or written word is preaching. Paradigm breaking stuff there. "What if....everything is preaching man" So deep


First of all, it's "Untonic", just like to point that out in a civil fashion, can you guys seriously just chill a bit and think out of the box? 

Preaching, for the 3rd time or so, is another form of discussion. One pops out an idea, and wants others to reflect. I don't understand why you guys just can't grasp that simple concept, it's nothing as deep or complex as IT. 

I used that word for controversy, and you guys live up to it. I'm looking at this on both sides.


preaching implys an attempt to persuade.
discussing implys an attempt to further understanding


"You should totally believe this"
"Do you think this is right"

very different. 
The reason we keep the meaning of words narrow is to maintain nuance.

Also,

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Lilliun wrote...

Untonic, why are you trying so hard to make them admit that they're "publicly proclaiming" their belief or preaching it?


Because He's an
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GLORIOUS.

ASSUMING DIRECT CON-TROLL.

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Is this Mark III after dark ?

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Lilliun wrote...

Untonic, why are you trying so hard to make them admit that they're "publicly proclaiming" their belief or preaching it?


Because He's an
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My life is measurably better for this.

Edit: purged the text slab... Serves me right for trying to try and post pictures on the internet...

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Thx used pic paint on my phone, so someone like Lex should make it the right way-poster style
:happy:

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Lilliun wrote...

Is this Mark III after dark ?


not always, but they keep pulling us back in. Need to do a better job of stayIng on topic, but it's just so hard some days

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Question

How is it possible that some organics figured out enough about the citadel to come up with the crucible idea, yet the leviathan never manage over countless cycles?

edit: dammit 3 consecutive posts, how was this allowed to happen!

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Question

How is it possible that some organics figured out enough about the citadel to come up with the crucible idea, yet the leviathan never manage over countless cycles?


That is odd. We really don't know anything about where the idea for the Crucible came from or how it was originally developed.

Considering that BioWare thinks we needed to know where the Reapers came from, you would think they would consider the origin of the Crucible important.

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After going through Levi DLC again, the Leviathan does confirm the existence of an intelligence (catalyst), which is just how the Catalyst explains himself. But just because it is confirmed I don't think it disproves the IT theory.

What I thought was interesting was Levi's obvious hesitation to talk about the crucible, he definately knew more and thought carefully how to answer that question.

Yes. I acutally think that helps IT. Now everything in the last scene is represented by Shepard's memories. Shepard knows there is some kind of intelligence, and it is seen as the kid. I also think Harbinger is the "intelligence". It would be the first time he deceived you by appearing as someone he is not. Posted Image


Im pretty certain Leviathan made it clear in the DLC, Harbinger was separate from the 'Intelligence' .

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XXIceColdXX wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

After going through Levi DLC again, the Leviathan does confirm the existence of an intelligence (catalyst), which is just how the Catalyst explains himself. But just because it is confirmed I don't think it disproves the IT theory.

What I thought was interesting was Levi's obvious hesitation to talk about the crucible, he definately knew more and thought carefully how to answer that question.

Yes. I acutally think that helps IT. Now everything in the last scene is represented by Shepard's memories. Shepard knows there is some kind of intelligence, and it is seen as the kid. I also think Harbinger is the "intelligence". It would be the first time he deceived you by appearing as someone he is not. Posted Image


Im pretty certain Leviathan made it clear in the DLC, Harbinger was separate from the 'Intelligence' .


What if it reveals that Harbinger destroyed the intelligence and now does what he does for a new reason, a reason beyond our comprehension. That would bring back the true Reapers.

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Hrothdane wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Question

How is it possible that some organics figured out enough about the citadel to come up with the crucible idea, yet the leviathan never manage over countless cycles?


That is odd. We really don't know anything about where the idea for the Crucible came from or how it was originally developed.

Considering that BioWare thinks we needed to know where the Reapers came from, you would think they would consider the origin of the Crucible important.

one would also think if it's so incredibly simple to build as everyone repeats throughout the game, someone would have come up with it already.

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Has anyone analyzed the pictures all over the lab walls yet?

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Leviathans created the Guardian who then created Harbinger by harvesting the Leviathans. If that's even the truth.

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Guys! Leviathan says "Your mind belongs to me.... Breathe." The breath scene! It also shows that Shepard when he's in these hallucinations can't tell what's real or not, because he says, "Ann what's happening?"

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does anyone else find it stupid that a child represents the apex of understanding throughout the galaxy?

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Leviathans created the Guardian who then created Harbinger by harvesting the Leviathans. If that's even the truth.


In the DLC Leviathan states that they created a 'intelligence' who is most likely the Catalyst as that is exactly how he described himself in the ending.

The 'Intelligence' created Harbinger.