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Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

As someone who used to be a "most the time lurker" for ages i hereby most politely ask you all to consider my post from site 63 that you all seemed to just walk over. Please? :(

I'll even give you a link! social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/63#13458137

No.
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maybe it's something, but it's used throughout the game as background noises when Reapers are around so I don't really think it's something meaningful.


I agree.  I mean, I love the idea that Harby is saying something to Shepard, but based on what Chris said, I'm thinking that it's just usual Reaper sounds.


Reaper sound, sure, but it has a sound to it, unlike in the rest of the game; dunno if that's the correct word for a Reaper, but I find it nearly suggestive, also, he's whispering I believe.
That could be of course, to make the scene more badassful, but it could also imply that Harbinger, here, has finally reaches into Shep's mind deep enough.

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estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Also, dear lurkers, my name is Estebanus. You may know me as someone with a huge love for "pie" and various other off-topic-like things. Also, I try to add things to the speculation wheel if I have anything of interest to add. Also, I disagree with with Masster Blaster. A lot.

Nice to meet you, estebanus. Welcome to the IT thread.


Liara does not approve.

*snip*


Its a good thing you explained. I had no idea what face Liara was supposed to be making.

Really? That's exactly what it looked like to me when I saw that.


She almost looks like she's halfway smiling in that picture to me.

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Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

As someone who used to be a "most the time lurker" for ages i hereby most politely ask you all to consider my post from site 63 that you all seemed to just walk over. Please? :(

I'll even give you a link! social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/63#13458137

No.
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maybe it's something, but it's used throughout the game as background noises when Reapers are around so I don't really think it's something meaningful.


I agree.  I mean, I love the idea that Harby is saying something to Shepard, but based on what Chris said, I'm thinking that it's just usual Reaper sounds.


Don't count out the Reaper sounds totally out though. A developer in BioWare refered to some Reaper sounds as them communicating to one another. So the sounds aren't totally pointless... 

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Full Renegade will be perfectly happy with Destroy. Basically, Destroy have two side-effects.

1. Minor damage to technology.
2. Synthetics wiped out.

Renegade does not consider synthetics to be alive. Full Renegade should have sold Legion to Cerberus and fail to achieve quarian-geth peace. Renegade also considers synthetics to be machines, which are not even alive.

Sureokaywhatever. I've picked renegade options, therefore I don't think synthetics are alive. Great logic.


Sureokaywhatever. I've picked paragon options, therefore I think synthetics are alive.  Great logic.
Social/political views have nothing to do with paragon/renegade.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

As someone who used to be a "most the time lurker" for ages i hereby most politely ask you all to consider my post from site 63 that you all seemed to just walk over. Please? :(

I'll even give you a link! social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/63#13458137

No.
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jk
maybe it's something, but it's used throughout the game as background noises when Reapers are around so I don't really think it's something meaningful.


I agree.  I mean, I love the idea that Harby is saying something to Shepard, but based on what Chris said, I'm thinking that it's just usual Reaper sounds.


Don't count out the Reaper sounds totally out though. A developer in BioWare refered to some Reaper sounds as them communicating to one another. So the sounds aren't totally pointless... 


True.  And since there aren't any other Reapers around...  Well, even if there aren't any WORDS, it wouldn't be an unreasonable assumption to make that Harby is communicating with Shepard, even if we don't know what he's saying.

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byne wrote...


She almost looks like she's halfway smiling in that picture to me.



Huh. Well, I guess we just see it differently.

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Simon_Says wrote...
As if perfect understanding between humans is the norm. Oh wait.

But I think we're not being clear about what connection means. I'm thinking that it means that R!Shep will be disconnected from the relationships and emotional connections/sympathies that Shepard developed throughout the trilogy. This much is supported by R!Shep, who mentions ruling/protecting the galaxy but not... oh, the friends or loved ones Shepard had. Things may be nice for a while, but it's only a matter of time before R!Shep goes all God Emperor and becomes a monster even for good intentions.


Of course Shepard won't have emotions. That is what I meant (though AIShep does mentions that he will protect the people who remember him/her as the person he once was). So how is it that AIShep will turn into a god emperor if s/he doesn't care for things like that anymore, since s/he lost his/her emotions, AIShep wouldn't want to rule over anyone, wouldn't want to do anything past his/her codes?

I wrote...

Have any evidence to back that claim up? Are Shepard's motivations really strong enough if five minutes before being presented the option of Control Shepard was solely pursuing the reapers' destruction? Would Reaper!Shepard's methods really match up to what Shepard would do even if the motivations were transferred intact? Remember that the Catalyst said that the reapers were protecting organic life. Look how well that went.


And I answered you. Shepard's past motivations did match up to what AIShep is doing, because AIShep is telling you, Shepard's thoughts guide him/her. AIShep is acting based if you were paragon or renegade. So yes, it transferred successfully.

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Face it. Control just can't be accepted as reliable with the information we got.

I'm not trying to say Control from a literalist perspective would be bad. But I'm not convinced that its more likely to be good than bad, becuase there are simply too many ways for it to go spectacularily wrong.


None of the endings can be accepted as reliable from a literalist view point. Control, a malfunction can happen. destroy, someone can rebuild the Reapers. synthesis, people might start growing super powers and a dark age will come of where everyone destroying planets and the univerese itself, since, well, everyone have super powers and can't die. Refuse... The bad already happened.

There are always risks and dangers. Control is not special in that aspect.

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Finally, a sensible literalist appeared in here.

#1634
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MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

As someone who used to be a "most the time lurker" for ages i hereby most politely ask you all to consider my post from site 63 that you all seemed to just walk over. Please? :(

I'll even give you a link! social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/63#13458137

No.
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jk
maybe it's something, but it's used throughout the game as background noises when Reapers are around so I don't really think it's something meaningful.


I agree.  I mean, I love the idea that Harby is saying something to Shepard, but based on what Chris said, I'm thinking that it's just usual Reaper sounds.


Reaper sound, but it has a sound to it, unlike in the rest of the game. That could be of course, to make the scene more badassful, but it could also imply that Harbinger, here, has finally reaches into Shep's mind deep enough.


Could be...though the same sound is heard in at least 2 more times earlier in the game. Once in Vancouver, once early on London, and w/ Harbinger. Probably means nothing. They are all on Earth so....wait.....hmmmm. :blink: Speculations in progress....

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estebanus wrote...

Finally, a sensible literalist appeared in here.


Well, Epyon and GBGriffin aren't that bad...

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wow, this unicorn guy carries a lot of anger. I'd post a response to his points, but he'd see nothing through the red mist.

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Hi Lurkers, I'm smokingotter, I usually like to talk a lot about symbolism, imagery, and literature in Mass Effect 3. I like to bring up the "white halo" in ME3 too much (I'm taking screenshots right now). If you don't know what I'm talking about stay tuned. Also also can do minor sound editing so if I find something interesting I'll let you know.

I usually work on my posts when I have free time so I occassional enjoy some otter ryncol and a good smoke...and other otter things, but doing those thisngs always fefects the quality of my post  overtime like epelling and grammers so I try not dto it to much. I'd liikje to othin easy goindlaj. So dnice to meet yuo.
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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Finally, a sensible literalist appeared in here.


Well, Epyon and GBGriffin aren't that bad...

GBGriffin hasn't been around us since the early middle half of the 1st thread.

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legaldinho wrote...

wow, this unicorn guy carries a lot of anger. I'd post a response to his points, but he'd see nothing through the red mist.


shhhhhh.....you'll summon him with the use of his name. Probably similar to Voldemort or Beedlejuice if we're lucky. :whistle: 

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estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Also, dear lurkers, my name is Estebanus. You may know me as someone with a huge love for "pie" and various other off-topic-like things. Also, I try to add things to the speculation wheel if I have anything of interest to add. Also, I disagree with with Masster Blaster. A lot.

Nice to meet you, estebanus. Welcome to the IT thread.


Liara does not approve.

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You mean Liara is against you posting here? ****. This thread is for everybody civil.

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EDIT: Her face expresses indifference though.

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Also, dear lurkers, my name is Estebanus. You may know me as someone with a huge love for "pie" and various other off-topic-like things. Also, I try to add things to the speculation wheel if I have anything of interest to add. Also, I disagree with with Masster Blaster. A lot.

Nice to meet you, estebanus. Welcome to the IT thread.


Liara does not approve.

*snip*


Its a good thing you explained. I had no idea what face Liara was supposed to be making.



That looks more neutral if anything.

I show you what not approving looks like.


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Oh, or maybe this one.



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Guess it depends on whether you prefer a good ol' gun or space magic!

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paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Also, dear lurkers, my name is Estebanus. You may know me as someone with a huge love for "pie" and various other off-topic-like things. Also, I try to add things to the speculation wheel if I have anything of interest to add. Also, I disagree with with Masster Blaster. A lot.

Nice to meet you, estebanus. Welcome to the IT thread.


Liara does not approve.
*snip*

You mean Liara is against you posting here? ****. This thread is for everybody civil.

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No, I meant as in she disapproves of your joke.

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estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Finally, a sensible literalist appeared in here.


Well, Epyon and GBGriffin aren't that bad...

GBGriffin hasn't been around us since the early middle half of the 1st thread.


I heard that he made a brief return in the aftermath of the EC.  But yeah, he's been gone for a while.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

wow, this unicorn guy carries a lot of anger. I'd post a response to his points, but he'd see nothing through the red mist.


shhhhhh.....you'll summon him with the use of his name. Probably similar to Voldemort or Beedlejuice if we're lucky. :whistle: 

Or GBGriffin.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

wow, this unicorn guy carries a lot of anger. I'd post a response to his points, but he'd see nothing through the red mist.


shhhhhh.....you'll summon him with the use of his name. Probably similar to Voldemort or Beedlejuice if we're lucky. :whistle: 


Well, since we deny the existance of (space) magic, I think we're all safe.  Unless it turns out that the use of his name isn't what summons him.

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Also, dear lurkers, my name is Estebanus. You may know me as someone with a huge love for "pie" and various other off-topic-like things. Also, I try to add things to the speculation wheel if I have anything of interest to add. Also, I disagree with with Masster Blaster. A lot.

Nice to meet you, estebanus. Welcome to the IT thread.


Liara does not approve.

*snip*


Its a good thing you explained. I had no idea what face Liara was supposed to be making.

Really? That's exactly what it looked like to me when I saw that.


She almost looks like she's halfway smiling in that picture to me.

Looks like a "go on, I'm not listening anyway" for me ^^

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legaldinho wrote...

wow, this unicorn guy carries a lot of anger. I'd post a response to his points, but he'd see nothing through the red mist.

You see, unicorn flesh carries high amounts of pixy dust, which is highly toxic. Symptoms for the "Pixy spell" (as it's called in layman's terms) is short temper, loss of good manners, and insulting. In the final stage of this toxin, the affected subject becomes a raving lunatic incapable of anything but insulting, trolling, and bashing.

Pixy dust. Not even once.

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Dwailing wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

As someone who used to be a "most the time lurker" for ages i hereby most politely ask you all to consider my post from site 63 that you all seemed to just walk over. Please? :(

I'll even give you a link! social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/63#13458137

No.
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jk
maybe it's something, but it's used throughout the game as background noises when Reapers are around so I don't really think it's something meaningful.


I agree.  I mean, I love the idea that Harby is saying something to Shepard, but based on what Chris said, I'm thinking that it's just usual Reaper sounds.


Don't count out the Reaper sounds totally out though. A developer in BioWare refered to some Reaper sounds as them communicating to one another. So the sounds aren't totally pointless... 


True.  And since there aren't any other Reapers around...  Well, even if there aren't any WORDS, it wouldn't be an unreasonable assumption to make that Harby is communicating with Shepard, even if we don't know what he's saying.

Harby is actually saying "Marauder Shields" as in "get in position".

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estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Also, dear lurkers, my name is Estebanus. You may know me as someone with a huge love for "pie" and various other off-topic-like things. Also, I try to add things to the speculation wheel if I have anything of interest to add. Also, I disagree with with Masster Blaster. A lot.

Nice to meet you, estebanus. Welcome to the IT thread.


Liara does not approve.
*snip*

You mean Liara is against you posting here? ****. This thread is for everybody civil.

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No, I meant as in she disapproves of your joke.

****. Posted Image

#1650
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Dwailing wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

And I encourage you to read my posts in entirety as this is a discussion fourm. Read my post to dwailing about fan theories, I'm not going to copy and paste now, and read my other posts before you jump and say "chris priestly said so" when it's clearly a way to quell people like yourself from raging about the IT being wrong and leaving Bioware as the "loyal customers" you are. 


My good sir, if IT was proven to be false, I wouldnt rage. I dont think the majority of the people in this thread would either.

The pro-IT zealots, who would be the most likely to rage, dont actually seem to hang out in here, strangely enough, so if you're trying to speak to them, you're in the wrong place.

I also dont think the majority of us would stop purchasing BioWare products either, as we enjoyed the majority of ME3, and just dont like the endings.

You can either stop painting us as whiny little children who need placating from BioWare lest we turn into a horde of raging animals, and acknowledge that we are just regular people who happen to disagree with your interpreation of a video game ending, or you can get the **** out.

Now good day, sir.


You are a "pro-IT zealot". You created this thread and you're "waiting" until IT is proven false when the ec dlc already does that. And I never said for you to stop buying Bioware products, where did I say that?

Your inadequacy to read my posts shows you can't defend yourself in a constructive argument, so telling me to leave because you're not prepared to use logic to counter my arguements makes no sense. If you're going to create a public thread, and tell people who disagree with you to leave, why bother making the thread in the first place? This is a discussion forum, expect people to disagree with the IT. Unless you know that the IT is wrong and you created this thread to shell people like yourself from the truth to the point where people would believe in any poor speculation (ex harbinger says "one of us") and use emoticons/in game quotes to give themselves some sort of morality: that they are right and everyone who doesn't believe in the IT is too blind. Yet, no one in this thread can argue as to why it's impossible for the IT to be implemented to the series at this point like I explained in my earlier post. 


OK, if I wasn't done being nice before, I am now.  BIOWARE HAS SAID THAT THE EC DOESN'T CONFIRM OR DENY IT!!!!  THEY HAVE SAID THAT MANY TIMES!!!!  HOW LONG CAN YOU DENY THE TRUTH????!!!!  THEY HAVEN'T CONFIRMED OR DENIED IT YET!!!!  ALSO, I KNOW I HAVEN'T SAID THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IT ARE BLIND, BUT I WILL SAY THAT YOU ARE BLIND, HOWEVER, BECAUSE YOU KEEP IGNORING EVERY SINGLE THING WE TELL YOU, NOT BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH IT!!!!



Did you even read my post about fan theories? How am I "blind" when I write constructive arguemnts and no one fully reads them because they don't want to use logic in their arguemnts. Your message being in all caps shows how little of capacity IT supporters like yourself have to write constructive arguments before blindly raging on few statements and furiously followiing those statements to no end. I answered everything you wrote in previous posts, why don't you read the post I mentioned harry potter and then come back with a constructive post that makes sense?