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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!

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Guys! Leviathan says "Your mind belongs to me.... Breathe." The breath scene! It also shows that Shepard when he's in these hallucinations can't tell what's real or not, because he says, "Ann what's happening?"


That's important too. Shepard couldn't even TELL he was in a mind-whammy. I don't think he even KNEW until he 'woke up' in the Atlas-thing.

Shepard's inability to tell when a situation just wasn't right was mind boggling in that dlc. That mining colony was obviously insane yet he just went around talking to people like it was no big deal.


Red flags all over the damn place.

Compare it to Arrival (BEFORE being zapped by Rho). "WHAT THE EFF ARE YOU DOING WITH A REAPER ARTIFACT OUT"

Now he's like "Hmm, nice. Reaper. Hey old buddy."

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SwobyJ wrote...

plfranke wrote...

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XXIceColdXX wrote...

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After going through Levi DLC again, the Leviathan does confirm the existence of an intelligence (catalyst), which is just how the Catalyst explains himself. But just because it is confirmed I don't think it disproves the IT theory.

What I thought was interesting was Levi's obvious hesitation to talk about the crucible, he definately knew more and thought carefully how to answer that question.

Yes. I acutally think that helps IT. Now everything in the last scene is represented by Shepard's memories. Shepard knows there is some kind of intelligence, and it is seen as the kid. I also think Harbinger is the "intelligence". It would be the first time he deceived you by appearing as someone he is not. Posted Image


Im pretty certain Leviathan made it clear in the DLC, Harbinger was separate from the 'Intelligence' .



Where?

With the wording we were given, its imo plausable that:

1)AI started as AI
2)AI forms an organic 'resistance' against their Leviathan masters
3)AI betrays both sides and forces the organics to construct the first Reaper ship, and its first core made out of the Leviathan race
4)Harbinger needs intelligence right? Reaper code? etc? There's an AI for that.

He did refer to Harbinger as Harbinger and the Intelligence as the Intelligence. If that was what they were going for (assuming it isn't meant as a surprise reveal) they could have done a much better job with conveying that.


I mean they could have, but it is intentionally a puzzle, by I think Bioware's own words.

Like, if I'm right, Harbinger and the original AI are still seperate things.

And in the ending of ME3, all Harbinger is doing is accessing its more original 'form'. It likes to play dressup (see Object Rho, Collector General).

So 'doing a a better job at conveying that'? Hmmm... in my opinion, I don't think they want most players to even know yet. But we'll all know eventually, if its true.

I know. I said "(assuming it isn't meant as a surprise reveal)"

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IT is a fan-fiction ending.


Except you have no proof of that, and the thread asking to move the IT thread to the fan creations forum got locked.


Anyhow, I'm tired as hell. Going to go to bed.


Nitpicking my posts and running away doesn't make you right. With the leviathan dlc actaully acknowleging the existence of the catalyst, Bioware is heading in a direction that hurts the mass effect universe. And regardless of whether IT is true or not, one thing is certain: it's not necessary for an alternate ending dlc. Quit hoping that it's the case and help the rest of the community make a plea for better endings, or answers as to why the ending was so bad to begin with if that's the best we can get. 


Wait, no.

Leviathan talked of an AI. Never named it. Never claimed it took the Citadel as its home. Never even agreed with the 'Catalyst' that its mandate was to form synthetic and organic relations.

You know what Leviathan said?

-its an AI (no name)
-nothing about where it is located (in fact, the Citadel was created in cycles after the first Leviathan cycle)
-the AI's mandate was to 'preserve life at any cost'. BIG DIFFERENCE.


I'm still very inclined to believe that the AI is what later becomes Harbinger, forming the basis of Reaper code that we see in other Reapers, and then in EDI (ME2/3) and the Geth (ME3).


I am also of the mind that the AI is Harbinger. It was never said, or even implied, by Leviathan that he was or wasn't, but it very much fits with Harbinger's personality.

He's very different from Sovereign and the Destroyer on Rannoch, who, compared to Harbinger, seem kind of like the Leviathan controlled people in the mining facility, or Cerberus troops. They seem indoctrinated. Harbinger is much, much more of an individual thinking for himself, and gets quite emotional at times. Playing Arrival before the end of ME2 shows he likes pretending to be not himself.

Harby being the AI actually means he isn't making up everything at the end, he's only lying about being the Catalyst and what the Crucible does. He may be wrong about other things, like his views on organics and synthetics, but he isn't lying.

Fittingly, the only thing Leviathan seems to be lying about is the Crucible as well; though, I still don't know what to make of that.


I think it would only be possible if Harbinger destroyed the AI at some point and pulled a Yahg style shodaw broker takeover on him.

The Leviathan makes it clear they created a 'intelligence' and that 'Intelligence' destroyed the leviathan race using pawns spread across the galaxy,  then created the first reaper Harbinger from the essence of their species.




Either of us could be right here, don't get me wrong.

It just makes a ton of sense to me that the 'Intelligence' is in fact what we regard now as 'Reaper Code', and its real home is in Harbinger - distributed throughout all new Reapers in order to indoctrinate them to its cause.

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Posté 31 août 2012 - 09:31

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I doubt very seriously they are going to make Harbinger, just another Reaper controlled by the Catalyst. By introducing him as the face of the primary antognist and now labeling him as the oldest and most powerful Reaper, they are clearly setting him apart from the rest. Btw does the Rannoch Reaper convo change if you've done Leviathan? It should, because it would be pretty stupid to ask why they're doing this when you already know.

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Posté 31 août 2012 - 09:33

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No comment? Well, looking at things from different perspectives can bring greater understanding.

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plfranke wrote...

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does anyone else find it stupid that a child represents the apex of understanding throughout the galaxy?


Yeah the Reapers/Leviathans are actually pretty dumb.

They can't understand that hey, just sometimes, very notable people arise out of terrible situations and step up to the plate. Shepard is just Shepard, in the end. Not some experiment to look through the microscope at.

The problem I have with this, is if that was the case, how did the very next cycle go on to defeat the Reapers? Did there just happen to be another person even greater than Shepard, I doubt it very seriously. I think we need a better reason why this cycle is the one to end the Reapers, and not just "LOL SHEPARD"


I still don't think any of those endings are real. They are, so far in my mind (again), just the fading glimpses of what will never be, created also (just like most of the ending itself) from ideas and concepts Shepard himself is presented with (like the whole 'deserted island vacation' mentions = Zaeed on a beach).


EDIT: So all we get in the CURRENT Refuse is just a glimpse that victory is possible, at some point, somewhere, by refusing even the fact that the Reaper GodChild is offering us 'solutions', when typically we should flee from Reaper plans at all costs.

Translation? BUY MORE $$$$ DLC TO EXPAND ENDINGS

Originally, they may have even withheld the Refuse ending (as in, it was always planned perhaps? in some way) for DLC, but the EC was put together due to fan outcry.

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Posté 31 août 2012 - 09:35

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My main problem with the slideshow was that it tells you nothing new. That's a small sign it might not be real.

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Posté 31 août 2012 - 09:37

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War Assets against the Crucible being a Space Battery:

What's interesting is that the one that proves it's not a battery is the one just added in Leviathan.

Asari Engineers
The graceful, soaring spires common to asari architecture look deceptively delicate. But Thessia's palaces, universities, and theaters have stood longer than most civilizations. Asari architectural engineers dispatched to the Crucible are testing the weapon's construction to make sure it can withstand tremendous amounts of pressure. If built improperly, stress could tear the Crucible in half upon activation.

Dr. Brynn Cole
Dr. Brynn Cole is an ex-Cerberus scientist who studied the technology left behind by the Collectors. She eventually cut ties with the Illusive Man, and helped dozens of scientists and their families flee the organization. The doctor has joined the Crucible Project, using the knowledge gained during her employment with Cerberus to help build the weapon.

Dr. Gavin Archer
Gavin Archer was a well-known synthetic intelligence specialist from Terra Nova who disappeared years ago to work with Cerberus. Now that he's parted ways with his former employer, Archer is among the scientists working on the Crucible. His study of VIs and AIs--in particular, the geth--gives him unique insights into parallel processing and inter-system communication that have already improved the weapon's efficiency.

Interferometric Array
Normally interferometric arrays are used to analyze planetary landmasses, or to determine the astrophysical properties of stellar systems. The powerful array salvaged from the Hercules system can be used for something much more ambitious: the Crucible tunes into the mass relays' command switches. Installing the interferometric array into the Crucible's systems results in a real-time map of the entire galaxy, including the position of each and every Reaper in the Milky Way.

Prothean Data Files
These Prothean discs were found years ago on Eden Prime, recovered a few months before the discovery of the Prothean Beacon in 2183. For years the data on the discs was incomprehensible, until the Crucible's blueprints provided the key to understanding the equations. Locked inside the discs were theories on dark matter meant to be used with the Crucible's main power source.

Dark Energy Dissertation
Published years ago by Dr. Conrad Verner, this doctorial dissertation on xenotechnology is a lengthy but intriguing argument that dark energy causes a minute but empirically observable difference in the passage of time. Hotly debated when first published, the paper's theory is supported by recent data. The dissertation illuminates several instructions left by the Protheans on how to build the Crucible. Dr. Verner found additional schematics useful in the creation of the device. After passing the data on to the Alliance, he added Commander Shepard to the dissertation's list of acknowledgements.

Shadow Broker Starship Tech
The Shadow Broker's unnamed vessel served as both a data repository and stealth ship for the enigmatic information trader. The ship ingeniously drew its power from the thunderstorms raging constantly on the planet it orbited, relying on an interlocking system of kinetic barriers, grounding rods and capacitors to avoid being ripped apart. These systems have repurposed for sections of the Crucible that require the safe discharge of tremendous amounts of energy.

Emergency Fuel Pods
The fuel pods scavenged from a field of debris in the Valhallan Threshold were once attached to a fleet of merchant vessels making long, risky journeys into uncharted space. The pods have been repurposed for the Crucible project. When activated, the Crucible's fusion reactors consume entire oceans of helium-3. The fuel pods serve as emergency reservoirs, should the weapon use more power than expected.

Advanced AI Relays
Admiral Xen's research teams salvaged advanced AI relays from the wreckage of the geth's dreadnought flagship. Xen used the valuable technology to write a custom VI that oversees the energy output of the Crucible's fusion reactors and adjusts itself automatically.

Reaper Heart
After Commander Shepard destroyed the Collector base, Cerberus spent months picking through irradiated rubble for anything useful. The human proto-Reaper the Collectors were building lay in pieces. But its incomplete core survived. The power cell would have been capable of fueling a full-fledged Reaper. After studying the device, Cerberus modified it to fuel the Illusive Man's base. Alliance engineers believe they can use the core similarly to power the Crucible.

Jovian Dissertation *Added in Leviathan*
This scientific data drwas conclusions about the gas giant Isale's exceptionally powerful magnetic field, which has complex interactions with those of its moons. The mathematics used to model this complexity can provide new insight into the math of the Prothean device. A brief glance at the data hints at some kind of energetic pulse that might pass through the magnetosphere of a planet unimpeded, but any details are best derived by high-energy physicists.

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plfranke wrote...

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What did the first cycle contribute to the crucible? A few pieces of plywood? Cycle 2 adds a sprocket? 842 cycles later it's the crucible?

Step 1: ????
Step 2: ????
Step 843: Crucible

Yah, how do you start building anything without a loose concept or directions?

A lot of people have said that from the start. It's one reason many people who go deeper than 'bad riting lol' think it's a trap or a test or something. You can make improvements on a design each cycle, but that would require the basic design from the start, which isn't what's implied and you'd need to know what it does anyway.

Yeah it's very odd that Leviathan does an "I was born in London" look when Shepard asks about it too.


There's a big piece of the puzzle mission for sure - literal or IT interpretation.

Anderson is curious. He picks Vega specifically to watch Shepard closely, and tells Joker to do the same, and I think he does even more than that.
He seems to know something we don't know. Maybe that camera feed of him meeting a Cerberus person is part of that?

Don't know what you're talking about. From the books?


The stuff from the Shadow Broker Base. Some of the camera feeds have been proven true already (like Liara's father).

In one, Anderson is meeting someone seemingly from Cerberus (or an Alliance spy planted in Cerberus imo, because Cerberus uniforms would be SUPER sketchy) on the Citadel.


EDIT: Oh and the Joker part happens after Thessia, and the Vega info is from assorted locations, especially the comics. He was chosen specifically by Anderson himself, in person, on Omega, to be by Shepard's side while he awaits trial.

All in all, it feels like, just as with TIM and the Crucible, there is set to be an Anderson reveal in the DLC too.

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Posté 31 août 2012 - 09:40

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BleedingUranium wrote...

War Assets against the Crucible being a Space Battery:

What's interesting is that the one that proves it's not a battery is the one just added in Leviathan.

Asari Engineers
The graceful, soaring spires common to asari architecture look deceptively delicate. But Thessia's palaces, universities, and theaters have stood longer than most civilizations. Asari architectural engineers dispatched to the Crucible are testing the weapon's construction to make sure it can withstand tremendous amounts of pressure. If built improperly, stress could tear the Crucible in half upon activation.

Dr. Brynn Cole
Dr. Brynn Cole is an ex-Cerberus scientist who studied the technology left behind by the Collectors. She eventually cut ties with the Illusive Man, and helped dozens of scientists and their families flee the organization. The doctor has joined the Crucible Project, using the knowledge gained during her employment with Cerberus to help build the weapon.

Dr. Gavin Archer
Gavin Archer was a well-known synthetic intelligence specialist from Terra Nova who disappeared years ago to work with Cerberus. Now that he's parted ways with his former employer, Archer is among the scientists working on the Crucible. His study of VIs and AIs--in particular, the geth--gives him unique insights into parallel processing and inter-system communication that have already improved the weapon's efficiency.

Interferometric Array
Normally interferometric arrays are used to analyze planetary landmasses, or to determine the astrophysical properties of stellar systems. The powerful array salvaged from the Hercules system can be used for something much more ambitious: the Crucible tunes into the mass relays' command switches. Installing the interferometric array into the Crucible's systems results in a real-time map of the entire galaxy, including the position of each and every Reaper in the Milky Way.

Prothean Data Files
These Prothean discs were found years ago on Eden Prime, recovered a few months before the discovery of the Prothean Beacon in 2183. For years the data on the discs was incomprehensible, until the Crucible's blueprints provided the key to understanding the equations. Locked inside the discs were theories on dark matter meant to be used with the Crucible's main power source.

Dark Energy Dissertation
Published years ago by Dr. Conrad Verner, this doctorial dissertation on xenotechnology is a lengthy but intriguing argument that dark energy causes a minute but empirically observable difference in the passage of time. Hotly debated when first published, the paper's theory is supported by recent data. The dissertation illuminates several instructions left by the Protheans on how to build the Crucible. Dr. Verner found additional schematics useful in the creation of the device. After passing the data on to the Alliance, he added Commander Shepard to the dissertation's list of acknowledgements.

Shadow Broker Starship Tech
The Shadow Broker's unnamed vessel served as both a data repository and stealth ship for the enigmatic information trader. The ship ingeniously drew its power from the thunderstorms raging constantly on the planet it orbited, relying on an interlocking system of kinetic barriers, grounding rods and capacitors to avoid being ripped apart. These systems have repurposed for sections of the Crucible that require the safe discharge of tremendous amounts of energy.

Emergency Fuel Pods
The fuel pods scavenged from a field of debris in the Valhallan Threshold were once attached to a fleet of merchant vessels making long, risky journeys into uncharted space. The pods have been repurposed for the Crucible project. When activated, the Crucible's fusion reactors consume entire oceans of helium-3. The fuel pods serve as emergency reservoirs, should the weapon use more power than expected.

Advanced AI Relays
Admiral Xen's research teams salvaged advanced AI relays from the wreckage of the geth's dreadnought flagship. Xen used the valuable technology to write a custom VI that oversees the energy output of the Crucible's fusion reactors and adjusts itself automatically.

Reaper Heart
After Commander Shepard destroyed the Collector base, Cerberus spent months picking through irradiated rubble for anything useful. The human proto-Reaper the Collectors were building lay in pieces. But its incomplete core survived. The power cell would have been capable of fueling a full-fledged Reaper. After studying the device, Cerberus modified it to fuel the Illusive Man's base. Alliance engineers believe they can use the core similarly to power the Crucible.

Jovian Dissertation *Added in Leviathan*
This scientific data drwas conclusions about the gas giant Isale's exceptionally powerful magnetic field, which has complex interactions with those of its moons. The mathematics used to model this complexity can provide new insight into the math of the Prothean device. A brief glance at the data hints at some kind of energetic pulse that might pass through the magnetosphere of a planet unimpeded, but any details are best derived by high-energy physicists.

I'm gonna read it right now but I wanted to thank you asap for posting that here, appreciate the information!

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paxxton wrote...

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does anyone else find it stupid that a child represents the apex of understanding throughout the galaxy?


Yeah the Reapers/Leviathans are actually pretty dumb.

They can't understand that hey, just sometimes, very notable people arise out of terrible situations and step up to the plate. Shepard is just Shepard, in the end. Not some experiment to look through the microscope at.

You don't get it. Leviathans are eons ahead of others (at least they were according to what Levy says). They treat "lesser" species as you treat your home pets. In the case of the Reapers, well, they treat others like flies. Posted Image


I actually do.

However, they're wrong.

And that's why they're so damn curious about Shepard. How could this FLY, do what he is doing? Even with everything in his way? Even with (if we're right) indoctrination working its magic on him? Even with armies set against him?

Even Liara gets it, but these god beings, I guess, can't.

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Posté 31 août 2012 - 09:42

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Certain ones that mention powering the crucible just don't make any sense based on what we know right now. Powering a power source?

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There is nothing "deep" about an Asari mind**** lol

ME certainly was emotionally complex, but philosophically deep? Superficially I guess. Picking sides and what not. It's all about killing Reapers and Shep getting some booty when you boil it down. Win the war, keep the wife/husband happy. Damn fine days work if you ask me. None of this computer chip plants crap for me though.


Ok, philosophically deep was laying it on a bit thick.

However, I still say that Mass Effect has two forms of existance since the beginning.

There was the shooty shooty OMG ROBOT GODS epic music space battle opera love scene aliens that speak english etc etc etc

And there were also topics and even detailed entries on science, ethics, religion (yes really),

Was it superficial? Yeah, I guess all of it was. However, I think it was still *very thought out*, which can make all the difference.

So, you want you shooty shooty OMG ROBOTS AND CERBERUS ASSASSINS AND MOAR?  Play the game + Extended Cut.

But if you require actual explanation on what the hell is going on? This time, Bioware may have chosen to leave that stuff to be created during more *focused* development time, to be released as DLC. I'm quite sure they were less pressed creating Leviathan than they were to make ME3 itself. It allows more polish of gameplay, but also of the plot itself.

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Posté 31 août 2012 - 09:48

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plfranke wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

War Assets against the Crucible being a Space Battery:
*snip*

I'm gonna read it right now but I wanted to thank you asap for posting that here, appreciate the information!


No problem, I've been meaning to do this anyway. There are other War Assets added in Leviathan, that's just the only one relevant to this. Like Vorcha starfighters Posted Image

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Actually I've found the series from the beginning to be something that attempts to straddle the line between fanservice and deep philosophy.

The asari = fanservice
Their 'embrace eternity' and curious placement in the galaxy = something deeper

And this is since ME1.

I agree, but the literal ending isn't deep, it's baffling and out of place. And everything new we learn about it makes it even more baffling. If bioware did **** up and were attempting to improve it, I don't see how they manage to make it worse everytime.


I think their hope was that:
-new shooter fans ("This is the best time to enter Mass Effect yup!") will just shrug and move on
-while 'longer term fans' will be more interested by the mystery and clamor to buy DLC even while it takes place during the story, and not after it

It didn't work. IMO Bioware failed here.

So they did make the Extended Cut incorporate more 'closure' elements. Both things they originally cut, and new things like the ending slides.

This was at least partially successful.


(Sidenote: To me, the plot isn't actually that complicated anymore. Yes, I have to make some leaps of faith like "Catalyst is actually Harbinger" and "Crucible involved the Leviathans" and "Illusive Man is actually still alive and has a semi-legit plan like he always seemed to look like he did in ME2", but otherwise, I think I'm ready to even ADMIRE what Bioware may end us up at in the future)

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SwobyJ wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

X086573 wrote...

does anyone else find it stupid that a child represents the apex of understanding throughout the galaxy?


Yeah the Reapers/Leviathans are actually pretty dumb.

They can't understand that hey, just sometimes, very notable people arise out of terrible situations and step up to the plate. Shepard is just Shepard, in the end. Not some experiment to look through the microscope at.

You don't get it. Leviathans are eons ahead of others (at least they were according to what Levy says). They treat "lesser" species as you treat your home pets. In the case of the Reapers, well, they treat others like flies. Posted Image


I actually do.

However, they're wrong.

And that's why they're so damn curious about Shepard. How could this FLY, do what he is doing? Even with everything in his way? Even with (if we're right) indoctrination working its magic on him? Even with armies set against him?

Even Liara gets it, but these god beings, I guess, can't.

They encounter a previously unknown trait in a species they consider inferior and become curious. They try to learn what it is. Of course, they don't reach out to Shepard because given the war they don't want to be slaughtered by the Reapers. From their perspective, Shepard is a kind of guinea pig, intelligent (hence they talk to him) but nevertheless an object of study.

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Has Arian given up on this thread or just having a KitKat? I'm a long time lurker, it's interesting to see people coming and going but for such a significant player on this thread to drift away would be a shame.

Anyway, would like to hear his (Arian is male right?) view on the Leviathan DLC.

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You mean they went from a player agency driven space opera to art house science fiction in 10 minutes? This series was never that deep. It has two blue alien chick love scenes for heavens sake. I just still find it difficult to believe they lost their collective sanity and writing ability at the end like that. While also losing all understanding of plot holes while simultaneously accidentally including lots of hints about something that just happens to be a central theme to the series.

I'm growing very impatient, but I'm not sold on horrible writing theory yet. It isn't even right to call it bad writing theory, it's monkeys slapping at a key board theory....but I definitely feel your pain, it's hard being stuck in limbo


Actually I've found the series from the beginning to be something that attempts to straddle the line between fanservice and deep philosophy.

The asari = fanservice
Their 'embrace eternity' and curious placement in the galaxy = something deeper

And this is since ME1.

The problem is that there are larger problems in me3 than its ending. The ending has a chance to rectify these problems but if it failed then there are so many holes in the Mass Effect universe. As the game is now, Cerberus and TIM were assasinated in the 3rd game, ME2's plot was of absolutely no importance, The Crucible is a terrible plot device introduced way too late in the series, The Catalyst is an extension of a terrible deus ex machina and introduced in the last 10 minutes of the game, side quests, the list goes on and on. If IT isn't true, this game and sadly, the series, is a complete joke from a storytelling perspective.


Gotta agree there.

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What would be the reason for being so secretive? If they had a plan wouldn't it be better to tell us so we could stop worrying? Even giving any kind of a nod that better things are on the horizon

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plfranke wrote...

Certain ones that mention powering the crucible just don't make any sense based on what we know right now. Powering a power source?


Yep, four seperate War Assets talk about the Crucible's main power source. The Leviathan one, about an energy wave... from a battery?

The array that can see where every Reaper in the galaxy is in real time... totally what a battery needs!

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No comment? Well, looking at things from different perspectives can bring greater understanding.


huh?

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plfranke wrote...

What would be the reason for being so secretive? If they had a plan wouldn't it be better to tell us so we could stop worrying? Even giving any kind of a nod that better things are on the horizon


And spoil the doubts, mystery and discovery which is going on right now? That would be half of a job for such a psychological twist.

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SwobyJ wrote...

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No comment? Well, looking at things from different perspectives can bring greater understanding.


huh?

Seemed as if my post on interspecies relations was ignored.

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Posté 31 août 2012 - 09:55

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plfranke wrote...

What would be the reason for being so secretive? If they had a plan wouldn't it be better to tell us so we could stop worrying? Even giving any kind of a nod that better things are on the horizon


Maybe, maybe not.

For all we know, they had the whole DLC plan set from the beginning, and also designed in a way that the utmost secrecy IS REQUIRED because otherwise it would ruin the plan itself.

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Posté 31 août 2012 - 09:57

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paxxton wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

paxxton wrote...

No comment? Well, looking at things from different perspectives can bring greater understanding.


huh?

Seemed as if my post on interspecies relations was ignored.


...I've gone several pages back and I see nothing.

EDIT: Anyway, night everyone. Bed at 6am? SURE!

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