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[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

demersel wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Hmm. Interesting. Very interesting. Although I was under the impression that the Rachni were under reaper influence during the Rachni wars. I also thought the Salarian home word was heavily under reaper attack?

No matter it is VERY strange...

No. In the Leviathan DLC - states that it it most likely be leviathans.

Salarian homeworld is NOT under reaper attack at all - they even don't bother to come into the system.

There is lot of new info in the Leviathan DLC that is NOT in the conversation with him. In fact - the conversation with the leviathan is the most uninteresting and info poor part of it. So if you just watched the leviathan DLC on youtube - you mostlikely only seen the comversation part - and you really don't know the half of it.
(i'm not saying you personally - i don't know whether you played the DLc yoursefl, watched parts of it on youtube, or just heard people talking about it)

Yeah I played it but I was under the impression that there was no foreseeable pattern between rachni movements and and other Leviathan evidence via that whole CSI - Button Pusher. I, atleast, had to dismiss the Rachni evidence to get a lock on the Leviathan's position. Either way from where I sit the reapers and the leviathans are pretty much the same threat to the galaxy, just one more immediate than the other.

There was a connection. It just didn't relate with pinpointing the location of the mining facility. Or the current location of this particular leviathan.

Could you point me to where the rachni thing is stated? I found Bryson's remark in his lab but that's only a vague hypothesis. Reaper Indoctrination doesn't require subjects to be implanted.

Modifié par paxxton, 31 août 2012 - 03:34 .

[paxxton]

Double post.

Modifié par paxxton, 31 août 2012 - 03:34 .

[N7L4D]

I have a theory that the illusive man and his resources(just like the rachni) are being indoctrinated by levy, that's why reaper forces attacked them, I also think the struggle in shepards mind at the end could be, harbinger(starkidt) levy(TIM) Anderson(shep fighting it off) I think levy wants to take control of the reapers, so they can make it back to the apex of evolution, harby, well he kinda is trying something like synthesis for a while, shep renegade or paragon has always had the goal of destroying the reapers, it's just theory, that I'd bet has been talked about before, whether it has or hasn't, what do you guys think of that?

Modifié par N7L4D, 31 août 2012 - 03:44 .

[ZerebusPrime]

Regarding the Rachni and who enthralled them, the Leviathan DLC has one researcher speculating that the Leviathans may have been behind the Rachni Wars. But then you try to use that information in the galaxy map and you get nothing. It's a dead end.

Meanwhile, we see that the Reapers go so far as to produce a new Rachni queen from scratch just to pump out troops for them. The Reapers seemingly know what they're doing in a way like they've done it before. And if you saved the Rachni Queen from Noveria, she seems pretty convinced that it was in fact the Reapers who caused the corruption of her race both in the past and in the present.

So I'm sticking with the concept that the Rachni were in fact indoctrinated by the Reapers/Sovereign during the Rachni War.

[llbountyhunter]

just finished leviathan, pretty good, what do you guys think it does to IT?

I think it proves beyond a doubt that the catalyst is really harbinger, and more than likely shows that the scene was in shepards mind.


also i havent come back for while.... any new updates?

[Whiysper]

Okay, so, a few things.

1: Bioware went out of their way to show us what a field keeping atmosphere in looks like - on the research/mining base, as you approach for the first time, look right - you will occasionally see the field pulse, not when hit by Meteorites, just a pulse. So, odds of the decision-o-matic room having an invisible version...? Unlikely.

2: Heh, said the Thorian would be relevant, and it looks as though it's been cross-bred down into those poppies, not sure on use, presumably pacification. The Leviathans wanted it, so I'm working on the premise that's either to enthrall more things, or to create a sort of hivemind, a biological network, that will make the Reaper's less able to indoctrinate.

3: Just seen renegade Shep vids, thanks Prettz - that's not renegade, that's psycho, up to speed with what everyone means. Shepard would have to have fallen pretty far to pull that off.

4: Pictures of the Dream Forest, or something very like it, in Brynn's quarters - bathroom and bedroom, with a white flash down the center. Recall when one of the dreams starts, it's very blurred, with the kid running away center-screen? the blur on that looks very much like the white flash in the pictures. No images for you, but perhaps someone more forum-proficient might like to find them.

5: Keep on trucking ;D. I'm with the majority of you that the Leviathan's are not on the level, and agree that the conversation with them down there was very fishy indeed. They basically showed us what it looks like when you're kicked out of your body. Even parallels to the TIM/Anderson conversation, where you're rooted in place, with people walking to and fro around you, talking at you.

6: I don't think that was a Destroyer that they mind-rape out of the sky - that looked like a Sovereign-class to me. At that point, I'm sure they said that they'd make any Reapers they came across 'their slaves'. I'm thinking that under the waves, they're collecting Reapers . Possibly to play chess with. Who knows.

Peace!

Modifié par Whiysper, 31 août 2012 - 03:53 .

[RavenEyry]

Whiysper wrote...

1: Bioware went out of their way to show us what a field keeping atmosphere in looks like - on the research/mining base, as you approach for the first time, look right - you will occasionally see the field pulse, not when hit by Meteorites, just a pulse. So, odds of the decision-o-matic room having an invisible version...? Unlikely.

Oh, first I've heard of this thanks.

[ZerebusPrime]

Thanks Whiysper, you just gave me motivation to play through the DLC one more time.

....as if accidentally killing Ms. Bryson wasn't enough.

[agmrpink]

Has anyone discussed the difference in mechanisms of Leviathan and Harbinger's indoctrination/mind-control abilities?

Case 1:
Leviathan: Your mind will be mine. *Yoink*
Shepard: I just want to ask a ..... *becomes vegetable*

Case 2:
Harbinger: Your mind will be mine...please?
*Shepard casts brain shield*
*It is successful. Chance of indoctrination reduced to 25%*

[RavenEyry]

As far as I can tell leviathans don't indoctrinate, they just control. There isn't the degredation either I believe. However, it's not much of a leap to assume indoctrination is a descendant of whatever levis do.

[paxxton]

agmrpink wrote...

Has anyone discussed the difference in mechanisms of Leviathan and Harbinger's indoctrination/mind-control abilities?

Case 1:
Leviathan: Your mind will be mine. *Yoink*
Shepard: I just want to ask a ..... *becomes vegetable*

Case 2:
Harbinger: Your mind will be mine...please?
*Shepard casts brain shield*
*It is successful. Chance of indoctrination reduced to 25%*

Is this a joke?

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

Yeah, but the actual name was given arbitrarily by the writers of the story. Also, it's name is Despoina (a daughter of Zeus and Demeter who lived in the underworld - a reference to Leviathan hiding deep in the ocean?).

FFS. Zeus is worse than the Illusive Man. Is there anywhere that old man didn't hurl his thunderbolt?

[Ace7]

paxxton wrote...

agmrpink wrote...

Has anyone discussed the difference in mechanisms of Leviathan and Harbinger's indoctrination/mind-control abilities?

Case 1:
Leviathan: Your mind will be mine. *Yoink*
Shepard: I just want to ask a ..... *becomes vegetable*

Case 2:
Harbinger: Your mind will be mine...please?
*Shepard casts brain shield*
*It is successful. Chance of indoctrination reduced to 25%*

Is this a joke?

Serious sense of Deja Vu

[RavenEyry]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Yeah, but the actual name was given arbitrarily by the writers of the story. Also, it's name is Despoina (a daughter of Zeus and Demeter who lived in the underworld - a reference to Leviathan hiding deep in the ocean?).

FFS. Zeus is worse than the Illusive Man. Is there anywhere that old man didn't hurl his thunderbolt?

If the olympian gods were real it's safe to say that at least half the current population are related to them.

[Ace7]

Is there any part of the conversation with Leviathan which suggests that the crucible is perhaps a reaper trap that required a particular race with particular qualities (i.e. Humans) to manage and build and then activate of their Own free will (kind of). Maybe the synthesis option with the perfect specimen is the thing in which the AI/Harbinger is trying to achieve?? The race has to also believe that the crucible is being built of their own free will to actually work. Just a thought

Edit: just remembered the 'Crucible/indocrination device' topic a couple of pages back. I don't mean to step on that topic, i'm just looking at it from a different angle.

Modifié par Ace7, 31 août 2012 - 04:32 .

[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

As far as I can tell leviathans don't indoctrinate, they just control. There isn't the degredation either I believe. However, it's not much of a leap to assume indoctrination is a descendant of whatever levis do.

It would make sense for indoctrination to be a refinement of what the Leviathans do.  I think Levvy specifically mentions that the Reapers refined their method of control into indoctrination.  Which makes me wonder about just what Harby is capable of.  If he's the first Reaper, then that means that he probably has Levvy's original control powers at his disposal in addition to regular indoctrination.  Implications... unpleasant (Or very pleasant, depending on how you look at it. ).

Edit: Oh!  I just realized!  That explains the whole "Assuming direct control" thing that he does all the time!  He's employing traditional Leviathan control!

Modifié par Dwailing, 31 août 2012 - 04:32 .

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Yeah, but the actual name was given arbitrarily by the writers of the story. Also, it's name is Despoina (a daughter of Zeus and Demeter who lived in the underworld - a reference to Leviathan hiding deep in the ocean?).

FFS. Zeus is worse than the Illusive Man. Is there anywhere that old man didn't hurl his thunderbolt?

God of War series, obviously. jk

[agmrpink]

Ace7 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

agmrpink wrote...

Has anyone discussed the difference in mechanisms of Leviathan and Harbinger's indoctrination/mind-control abilities?

Case 1:
Leviathan: Your mind will be mine. *Yoink*
Shepard: I just want to ask a ..... *becomes vegetable*

Case 2:
Harbinger: Your mind will be mine...please?
*Shepard casts brain shield*
*It is successful. Chance of indoctrination reduced to 25%*

Is this a joke?

Serious sense of Deja Vu

Apparently I missed the punchline. I apologize for being such an inconvenience.

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Yeah, but the actual name was given arbitrarily by the writers of the story. Also, it's name is Despoina (a daughter of Zeus and Demeter who lived in the underworld - a reference to Leviathan hiding deep in the ocean?).

FFS. Zeus is worse than the Illusive Man. Is there anywhere that old man didn't hurl his thunderbolt?

If the olympian gods were real it's safe to say that at least half the current population are related to them.

They weren't. Probability close to 0.

[paxxton]

agmrpink wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

agmrpink wrote...

Has anyone discussed the difference in mechanisms of Leviathan and Harbinger's indoctrination/mind-control abilities?

Case 1:
Leviathan: Your mind will be mine. *Yoink*
Shepard: I just want to ask a ..... *becomes vegetable*

Case 2:
Harbinger: Your mind will be mine...please?
*Shepard casts brain shield*
*It is successful. Chance of indoctrination reduced to 25%*

Is this a joke?

Serious sense of Deja Vu

Apparently I missed the punchline. I apologize for being such an inconvenience.

Maybe try to explain what you mean in your post.

[Gwyphon]

Ace7 wrote...

Is there any part of the conversation with Leviathan which suggests that the crucible is perhaps a reaper trap that required a particular race with particular qualities (i.e. Humans) to manage and build and then activate of their Own free will (kind of). Maybe the synthesis option with the perfect specimen is the thing in which the AI/Harbinger is trying to achieve?? The race has to also believe that the crucible is being built of their own free will to actually work. Just a thought

Edit: just remembered the 'Crucible/indocrination device' topic a couple of pages back. I don't mean to step on that topic, i'm just looking at it from a different angle.

Well, make of this what you will.
The camera zoom in is VERY deliberate. (Btw spoilers if you intend to experience it yourself)

Modifié par Gwyphon, 31 août 2012 - 04:43 .

[Ace7]

Sorry Gwyphon, link doesn't work for me

[Gwyphon]

Ace7 wrote...

Sorry Gwyphon, link doesn't work for me

Fixed. Wrong link

[agmrpink]

paxxton wrote...

Maybe try to explain what you mean in your post.

Given that the decicion chamber at the end is Shepard fighting/submitting to Harbinger, he has the will and ability to fight said indoctrination.

Leviathan's takeover appears to be much more absolute. Once he enter's Shepard's mind, Shep appears to be helpless, without any means of resisting or escaping.

This disparity leads me to assume that the ways Harby/Levy assume control are either not through the same indoc mechanisms, or there are degrees of ability doing so. One requiring the subject to submit, with the latter being a complete mind-control until the master releases, disregarding the subject's mental state.

[paxxton]

Gwyphon wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

Sorry Gwyphon, link doesn't work for me

Fixed. Wrong link

Might be Leviathan feeling for all the lost lives throughout the cycles. But could also be him disappointed and sad that the device supposed to bring their rules to the Galaxy back hasn't been ever built and used. One question: If they know of the Reapers and have the ability to influence minds why didn't they direct the species or leaders to built it in between Reapers' visits?