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estebanus wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

wow, this unicorn guy carries a lot of anger. I'd post a response to his points, but he'd see nothing through the red mist.

You see, unicorn flesh carries high amounts of pixy dust, which is highly toxic. Symptoms for the "Pixy spell" (as it's called in layman's terms) is short temper, loss of good manners, and insulting. In the final stage of this toxin, the affected subject becomes a raving lunatic incapable of anything but insulting, trolling, and bashing.

Pixy dust. Not even once.


See, everything has a resonable explanation, even trolling.  Me personally, I would have said that it has something to do with his parents, but Freud has been mostly discredited, I'm going to just say that your explanation is as resonable as any.

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paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Also, dear lurkers, my name is Estebanus. You may know me as someone with a huge love for "pie" and various other off-topic-like things. Also, I try to add things to the speculation wheel if I have anything of interest to add. Also, I disagree with with Masster Blaster. A lot.

Nice to meet you, estebanus. Welcome to the IT thread.


Liara does not approve.
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You mean Liara is against you posting here? ****. This thread is for everybody civil.

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No, I meant as in she disapproves of your joke.

****. Posted Image

?

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Oh, another one. Needed right now I guess.



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CoolioThane wrote...

Good theorising! Chris has confirmed harby doesn't speak English but I and a couple others believe its just reaper language we might learn how to decipher in leviathan


My name is Chris so i was confused there for a second, might i know how you proved it?

And yeah, I remember the reaper language coming up a couple times.

I can tie that in too somehow.

Maybe it's not actually a reaper language, but the language of the people harbinger is made out of. (We wouldn't know the difference. actually it could even be the same language)

Maybe in this intense moment of fighting starchilds control keeps harby from speaking properly, the way he does it usually, and so he speaks in repaer language, which shepard might be able to understand thanks to the eden prime beacon (or through indoctrination, do we know if its possible that indoctrination also sends "unwanted" information at times?")

Just my take, let me see your proof please, I'm seriously interested.

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estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Also, dear lurkers, my name is Estebanus. You may know me as someone with a huge love for "pie" and various other off-topic-like things. Also, I try to add things to the speculation wheel if I have anything of interest to add. Also, I disagree with with Masster Blaster. A lot.

Nice to meet you, estebanus. Welcome to the IT thread.


Liara does not approve.
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You mean Liara is against you posting here? ****. This thread is for everybody civil.

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No, I meant as in she disapproves of your joke.

****. Posted Image

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jk

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I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Why don't you read the post I mentioned harry potter and then come back with a constructive post that makes sense?


HARRY POTTER SPOILERS I SUPPOSE




Didnt Neville destroy the last Horcrux, allowing Harry to kill Voldemort once and for all? Maybe he was the Chosen One!

Anyhow, as I understood it, both Harry and Neville had it in them to become the chosen one, but only Harry made the choices that led to him becoming the Chosen One, whereas Neville didnt.

So, yes, while Neville had it in him to be the Chosen One, when it came down to it, he wasnt.

I could be wrong, as I havent read the books in a few years, but thats what I seem to recall.

Anyhow, I'm not supposed to be speaking to you. I just remembered that!

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paxxton wrote...


jk



Wha...?

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Please don't help his pyramid, estebanus.

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Give me a break, it was within the same minute.

Modifié par lex0r11, 01 août 2012 - 11:04 .


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lex0r11 wrote...

Please don't help with his pyramid, estebanus.

Check the post right above your head.

Sorry, I sounded a bit condescending there. Didn't mean to.

Modifié par estebanus, 01 août 2012 - 11:06 .


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estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...


jk



Wha...?

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lex0r11 wrote...

Please don't help his pyramid, estebanus.

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Give me a break, it was within the same minute.


Quote pyramids look like they would be the most structurally unsound of all pyramids, what with all the weight on one side and everything.

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Paxxton, I ain't playing your game.

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byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Please don't help his pyramid, estebanus.

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Give me a break, it was within the same minute.


Quote pyramids look like they would be the most structurally unsound of all pyramids, what with all the weight on one side and everything.


That's one reason to not build them. Many lives will be lost in the thread when letters are flying around like shrapnel.

F**king pyramids.

Modifié par lex0r11, 01 août 2012 - 11:08 .


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Heads-up!

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I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

And I encourage you to read my posts in entirety as this is a discussion fourm. Read my post to dwailing about fan theories, I'm not going to copy and paste now, and read my other posts before you jump and say "chris priestly said so" when it's clearly a way to quell people like yourself from raging about the IT being wrong and leaving Bioware as the "loyal customers" you are. 


My good sir, if IT was proven to be false, I wouldnt rage. I dont think the majority of the people in this thread would either.

The pro-IT zealots, who would be the most likely to rage, dont actually seem to hang out in here, strangely enough, so if you're trying to speak to them, you're in the wrong place.

I also dont think the majority of us would stop purchasing BioWare products either, as we enjoyed the majority of ME3, and just dont like the endings.

You can either stop painting us as whiny little children who need placating from BioWare lest we turn into a horde of raging animals, and acknowledge that we are just regular people who happen to disagree with your interpreation of a video game ending, or you can get the **** out.

Now good day, sir.


You are a "pro-IT zealot". You created this thread and you're "waiting" until IT is proven false when the ec dlc already does that. And I never said for you to stop buying Bioware products, where did I say that?

Your inadequacy to read my posts shows you can't defend yourself in a constructive argument, so telling me to leave because you're not prepared to use logic to counter my arguements makes no sense. If you're going to create a public thread, and tell people who disagree with you to leave, why bother making the thread in the first place? This is a discussion forum, expect people to disagree with the IT. Unless you know that the IT is wrong and you created this thread to shell people like yourself from the truth to the point where people would believe in any poor speculation (ex harbinger says "one of us") and use emoticons/in game quotes to give themselves some sort of morality: that they are right and everyone who doesn't believe in the IT is too blind. Yet, no one in this thread can argue as to why it's impossible for the IT to be implemented to the series at this point like I explained in my earlier post. 


OK, if I wasn't done being nice before, I am now.  BIOWARE HAS SAID THAT THE EC DOESN'T CONFIRM OR DENY IT!!!!  THEY HAVE SAID THAT MANY TIMES!!!!  HOW LONG CAN YOU DENY THE TRUTH????!!!!  THEY HAVEN'T CONFIRMED OR DENIED IT YET!!!!  ALSO, I KNOW I HAVEN'T SAID THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IT ARE BLIND, BUT I WILL SAY THAT YOU ARE BLIND, HOWEVER, BECAUSE YOU KEEP IGNORING EVERY SINGLE THING WE TELL YOU, NOT BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH IT!!!!



Did you even read my post about fan theories? How am I "blind" when I write constructive arguemnts and no one fully reads them because they don't want to use logic in their arguemnts. Your message being in all caps shows how little of capacity IT supporters like yourself have to write constructive arguments before blindly raging on few statements and furiously followiing those statements to no end. I answered everything you wrote in previous posts, why don't you read the post I mentioned harry potter and then come back with a constructive post that makes sense?


I saw your post about the Harry Potter fan theory, and the thing that I think you're missing here is that BioWare didn't deny IT in the EC.  The Harry Potter fan theory that you mentioned has been well and truly disproved by the release of book seven.  The IT, however, has not been disproved until BioWare says that it has been disproved, because they have said repeatedly that the EC did not disprove the IT.  Now, I apologize for exploding earlier.  I sometimes get VERY fed up with some of you Literalists, even though I acknowledge that I should use a more logical argument.  How about this?  As a student of logic, I'll present what I KNOW to be a valid argument in logical form.  Will that logical enough for you?

If BioWare had said that the IT would be disproved by the EC, then the IT would have been disproved by the EC.

BioWare did not say that the IT is disproved by the EC.

Therefore, the IT is not disproved by the EC.

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 août 2012 - 11:10 .


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estebanus wrote...

Paxxton, I ain't playing your game.

I thought it was your game. Posted Image

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paxxton wrote...

Heads-up!


>Commander Shepard interview
>Mark Meer interview

pick one

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byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Please don't help his pyramid, estebanus.

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Give me a break, it was within the same minute.


Quote pyramids look like they would be the most structurally unsound of all pyramids, what with all the weight on one side and everything.

Why? As there is no protruding, lubricants, or moaning involved it's fine.

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KneeTheCap wrote...
Shamefully hijacked the quote-thingie from Gallifreya, do excuse me (I hate quoting in forums, because I suck at 'em)

The "regulars" here is a tighly-woven pack, and as an outsider it feels both rude and uncomfortable to "meddle" or try to squeeze in. Hence I've been only lurking. You all are so much smarter than me, too, so I don't usually have that many new insights to share. And as this thread moves very fast, posters are often ignored. I don't like being ignored :unsure:


You do know that masster was genuinely convinced that one of us was Chris Priestly?

Welcome to the thread.
Grab a Monocle.

I_eat_unicorns wrote...
You are a "pro-IT zealot". You created this thread and you're "waiting" until IT is proven false when the ec dlc already does that. And I never said for you to stop buying Bioware products, where did I say that?

Chris Priestly disagrees.
As do I.
Let's see what's revealed at the press conference tomorrow - see if we're right on what happens outside the already known script [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie] 
Also, have you played the first two games?
Why does the final hours app refer to the ending sequence as "The Perfect Illusion"?

I_eat_unicorns wrote...
ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end.


Oh cool, I glad we settled that.
It's not like it's deliberately ambiguous at this point... No, we know what you believe that, and you're clearly right.

How wrong we all are to look at context, the lore of the game, and the idea of not trusting the leader of the reapers when he tries to convince you that synthesis is "inevitable" and "the final evolution of life" and all that bull****. 

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byne wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

And I encourage you to read my posts in entirety as this is a discussion fourm. Read my post to dwailing about fan theories, I'm not going to copy and paste now, and read my other posts before you jump and say "chris priestly said so" when it's clearly a way to quell people like yourself from raging about the IT being wrong and leaving Bioware as the "loyal customers" you are. 


My good sir, if IT was proven to be false, I wouldnt rage. I dont think the majority of the people in this thread would either.

The pro-IT zealots, who would be the most likely to rage, dont actually seem to hang out in here, strangely enough, so if you're trying to speak to them, you're in the wrong place.

I also dont think the majority of us would stop purchasing BioWare products either, as we enjoyed the majority of ME3, and just dont like the endings.

You can either stop painting us as whiny little children who need placating from BioWare lest we turn into a horde of raging animals, and acknowledge that we are just regular people who happen to disagree with your interpreation of a video game ending, or you can get the **** out.

Now good day, sir.


You are a "pro-IT zealot". You created this thread and you're "waiting" until IT is proven false when the ec dlc already does that. And I never said for you to stop buying Bioware products, where did I say that?

Your inadequacy to read my posts shows you can't defend yourself in a constructive argument, so telling me to leave because you're not prepared to use logic to counter my arguements makes no sense. If you're going to create a public thread, and tell people who disagree with you to leave, why bother making the thread in the first place? This is a discussion forum, expect people to disagree with the IT. Unless you know that the IT is wrong and you created this thread to shell people like yourself from the truth to the point where people would believe in any poor speculation (ex harbinger says "one of us") and use emoticons/in game quotes to give themselves some sort of morality: that they are right and everyone who doesn't believe in the IT is too blind. Yet, no one in this thread can argue as to why it's impossible for the IT to be implemented to the series at this point like I explained in my earlier post. 


I'm an IT zealot? Really?

Ok. Here's a challenge: Go through all three threads and find a single place where I've said that IT is true without a doubt and that literalists are deluded.

Just one time.

I'll ****ing wait.

Anyhow, on to the next part of what you said:

I'm telling you to leave because you're acting like an ass, not because you dont believe in IT. I havent told HagarIshay to leave. I've never once told Epyon to leave.

I'd also like to point out the fact that I didnt tell you to leave. I gave you the option of treating us like we are reasonable people who disagree with you and staying, or painting us all as whiny children and leaving.

You are claiming I have asked you to leave, so I must assume you have chosen the latter option. Since this is the case, I see no reason to continue conversing with you. My day has been made poorer just by having you in it, so I shall do my best to rectify the shadow you have cast over a day otherwise spent conversing with pleasant individuals by ceasing to respond to you.

Now good day, sir.



No, you are an IT-zealot. All It supporters are. The fact that you created this thread again shows that you are an avid supporter of the IT. 

And the fact that you're waiting for the IT to be "declared false" shows how delusional you are. All It supporters at this point are delusional if they think some announcement will come saying "IT is wrong/right" when the ec dlc already debunked the IT and no writer denies a fan-theory as it makes him/her look bad for fans like I explained in one of my earlier posts.

Like I said before: 
At this point, currently believeing that the writers "secretly intended the IT to be correct" after the release of the EC DLC is exactly equal to believing that the thing in the box at the end of 'Seven ' was a ham sandwich, or that Obi Wan Kenobi was meant to be Luke Skywalker come back from the future to guide himself. 

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. 

I said this in my third post a few threads ago and supported it with the youtube vid of the ec dlc and later with looking at previous fan-theories from other works and how those were debunked while keeping the question in mind: "How can the IT be implemented in the series without ruining player choice/ec dlc work?

And from your previous quote:

"You can either stop painting us as whiny little children who need placating from BioWare lest we turn into a horde of raging animals, and acknowledge that we are just regular people who happen to disagree with your interpreation of a video game ending, or you can get the **** out."

Well if I'm not going to be able to post anything because you disagree with my statements (even though you don't counter them at all (hence IT-zealotry)) then you're basically telling me to get out. How am I handling people in this thread like children? The fact that you never read any of my posts explaining why the IT is wrong and dismiss my other posts is being pretty childish. Or are you unable to form a constructive argument in a discussion thread?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Please don't help his pyramid, estebanus.

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Give me a break, it was within the same minute.


Quote pyramids look like they would be the most structurally unsound of all pyramids, what with all the weight on one side and everything.

Why? As there is no protruding, lubricants, or moaning involved it's fine.

I would have thought those sorts of things would improve a quote pyramid :P

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Dwailing wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

And I encourage you to read my posts in entirety as this is a discussion fourm. Read my post to dwailing about fan theories, I'm not going to copy and paste now, and read my other posts before you jump and say "chris priestly said so" when it's clearly a way to quell people like yourself from raging about the IT being wrong and leaving Bioware as the "loyal customers" you are. 


My good sir, if IT was proven to be false, I wouldnt rage. I dont think the majority of the people in this thread would either.

The pro-IT zealots, who would be the most likely to rage, dont actually seem to hang out in here, strangely enough, so if you're trying to speak to them, you're in the wrong place.

I also dont think the majority of us would stop purchasing BioWare products either, as we enjoyed the majority of ME3, and just dont like the endings.

You can either stop painting us as whiny little children who need placating from BioWare lest we turn into a horde of raging animals, and acknowledge that we are just regular people who happen to disagree with your interpreation of a video game ending, or you can get the **** out.

Now good day, sir.


You are a "pro-IT zealot". You created this thread and you're "waiting" until IT is proven false when the ec dlc already does that. And I never said for you to stop buying Bioware products, where did I say that?

Your inadequacy to read my posts shows you can't defend yourself in a constructive argument, so telling me to leave because you're not prepared to use logic to counter my arguements makes no sense. If you're going to create a public thread, and tell people who disagree with you to leave, why bother making the thread in the first place? This is a discussion forum, expect people to disagree with the IT. Unless you know that the IT is wrong and you created this thread to shell people like yourself from the truth to the point where people would believe in any poor speculation (ex harbinger says "one of us") and use emoticons/in game quotes to give themselves some sort of morality: that they are right and everyone who doesn't believe in the IT is too blind. Yet, no one in this thread can argue as to why it's impossible for the IT to be implemented to the series at this point like I explained in my earlier post. 


OK, if I wasn't done being nice before, I am now.  BIOWARE HAS SAID THAT THE EC DOESN'T CONFIRM OR DENY IT!!!!  THEY HAVE SAID THAT MANY TIMES!!!!  HOW LONG CAN YOU DENY THE TRUTH????!!!!  THEY HAVEN'T CONFIRMED OR DENIED IT YET!!!!  ALSO, I KNOW I HAVEN'T SAID THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IT ARE BLIND, BUT I WILL SAY THAT YOU ARE BLIND, HOWEVER, BECAUSE YOU KEEP IGNORING EVERY SINGLE THING WE TELL YOU, NOT BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH IT!!!!



Did you even read my post about fan theories? How am I "blind" when I write constructive arguemnts and no one fully reads them because they don't want to use logic in their arguemnts. Your message being in all caps shows how little of capacity IT supporters like yourself have to write constructive arguments before blindly raging on few statements and furiously followiing those statements to no end. I answered everything you wrote in previous posts, why don't you read the post I mentioned harry potter and then come back with a constructive post that makes sense?


I saw your post about the Harry Potter fan theory, and the thing that I think you're missing here is that BioWare didn't deny IT in the EC.  The Harry Potter fan theory that you mentioned has been well and truly disproved by the release of book seven.  The IT, however, has not been disproved until BioWare says that it has been disproved, because they have said repeatedly that the EC did not disprove the IT.  Now, I apologize for exploding earlier.  I sometimes get VERY fed up with some of you Literalists, even though I acknowledge that I should use a more logical argument.  How about this?  As a student of logic, I'll present what I KNOW to be a valid argument in logical form.  Will that logical enough for you?

If BioWare had said that the IT would be disproved by the EC, then the IT would have been disproved by the EC.

BioWare did not say that the IT is disproved by the EC.

Therefore, the IT is not disproved by the EC.


I could say the same thing about harry potter and jk rowling. Is neville really the chosen one?

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Heads-up!


>Commander Shepard interview
>Mark Meer interview

pick one


I choose to Take a Third Option and create a Synthesis of the two interviews by accepting that Mark Meer is just as much Commander Shepard as Jennifer Hale, and to say otherwise would be denying the simple fact that both are put there by BioWare.

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It's not.

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estebanus wrote...

It's not.


I'm glad you chose to give us absolutely no context for this post. That really helps clear things up. :D