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[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

That actually goes a bit deeper than I thought. BleedinUranium and I were discussing that, and it went like this:
Banshee: "Sovereign assumed control of Saren."
Blur: "Actually he didn't. He only took control of his mech half after he died."
Banshee: I guess that's true. He didn't ever take control of him, just his mechanical parts after he died. So Harbinger remains the only reaper to ASSUME CONTROL of things."

Harbinger's role would be perfect if he was the kid in disguise.

Collectors are just prothean husks so Harby is probably doing the same thing.

I think the point is that in order to control Saren's synthetic parts, Sovvy had to disintigrate Saren's organic parts.  However, while the Collectors are mostly synthetic, they still have an outwardly organic shell, which I assume actually IS organic.  Harby does not have to disintigrate the organic parts of the Collectors to take control of them.

Modifié par Dwailing, 31 août 2012 - 07:59 .

[LiarasShield]

You know at first I didn't support the indoctrination but now after extended and leviathan I support it even more now

[jgibson14352]

he didnt disintegrate the collector general

[demersel]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 After seeing the Leviathan DLC I decided to take the endings into perspective with the info I now know. (If taken literally)

Control - Rendered totally useless now. All it would do is render the Reapers vulnerable to Leviathan control. With no Reapers seeking annihilation, and organics are constricted to what they are allowed to do, the Leviathans would be able to slowly spread influence and eventually would do as they promised...take over the Reapers. So control would be just giving the Leviathans tools to fully conquer the galaxy again with no hope for organic freedom.

Synthesis - Point is mute. Organics lose. Reapers win by default. Shepard accomplishes what the Reapers were seeking to do the entire series.

Destroy - Without influence from anything organics are free to choose their future. It would delay the Leviathan rise and give organics a chance to possibly stop them. Total potential for future games w/ new antagonist.

How are organics are free from any influence in Destroy? Festroy just takes out the reapers - the leviathans are there and they can iflunce everybody just fine. And given the ammount of destruction caused by the  reapers - it would be pretty easy for them to take over, as soon as the reapers are out of the picture. 

[spotlessvoid]

ME4 Wake up Shepard. Only Sheps choosing destroy can be imported. Finish the Reapers off, The Beginning of the Leviathan War. Would be perfect

[RavenEyry]

spotlessvoid wrote...

ME4 Wake up Shepard. Only Sheps choosing destroy can be imported. Finish the Reapers off, The Beginning of the Leviathan War. Would be perfect

If people get angry about the destroy only thing, remind them dead Sheps from 2 can't import.

[spotlessvoid]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 After seeing the Leviathan DLC I decided to take the endings into perspective with the info I now know. (If taken literally)

Control - Rendered totally useless now. All it would do is render the Reapers vulnerable to Leviathan control. With no Reapers seeking annihilation, and organics are constricted to what they are allowed to do, the Leviathans would be able to slowly spread influence and eventually would do as they promised...take over the Reapers. So control would be just giving the Leviathans tools to fully conquer the galaxy again with no hope for organic freedom.

Synthesis - Point is mute. Organics lose. Reapers win by default. Shepard accomplishes what the Reapers were seeking to do the entire series.

Destroy - Without influence from anything organics are free to choose their future. It would delay the Leviathan rise and give organics a chance to possibly stop them. Total potential for future games w/ new antagonist.

Control if it works, gives the Leviathan two fronts to fight: Galaxy + Shepreapers. I find it hard to believe Leviathan don't understand the crucible concept. ....so what's their gameplan?

[N7L4D]

LiarasShield wrote...

You know at first I didn't support the indoctrination but now after extended and leviathan I support it even more now

Hey your that one guy that in the multiplayer threads no one likes for reasons I do not know!!! Hi!!! Lol I'm kidding hahaha

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 After seeing the Leviathan DLC I decided to take the endings into perspective with the info I now know. (If taken literally)

Control - Rendered totally useless now. All it would do is render the Reapers vulnerable to Leviathan control. With no Reapers seeking annihilation, and organics are constricted to what they are allowed to do, the Leviathans would be able to slowly spread influence and eventually would do as they promised...take over the Reapers. So control would be just giving the Leviathans tools to fully conquer the galaxy again with no hope for organic freedom.

Synthesis - Point is mute. Organics lose. Reapers win by default. Shepard accomplishes what the Reapers were seeking to do the entire series.

Destroy - Without influence from anything organics are free to choose their future. It would delay the Leviathan rise and give organics a chance to possibly stop them. Total potential for future games w/ new antagonist.

How are organics are free from any influence in Destroy? Festroy just takes out the reapers - the leviathans are there and they can iflunce everybody just fine. And given the ammount of destruction caused by the  reapers - it would be pretty easy for them to take over, as soon as the reapers are out of the picture. 

No, as mentioned in the Leviathan Codex the Leviathans power are limited by their artefacts to give them vision to use the power through and we allready know how to isolate the signals from those.

Defeating the Leviathans at present times is as easy as shielding a couple of Dreadnoughts from their power (which is not even needed if no artefacts are close) and sending them to bomb the hell out of the planet the Leviathans are. They could easily stay out of reach of the pulse and volley the planet until nothing is left.

Not saying the Leviathans are not dangerous, they are, but the fact that they need their artifacts for vision severily hampers them at present times.

[TJBartlemus]

demersel wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 After seeing the Leviathan DLC I decided to take the endings into perspective with the info I now know. (If taken literally)

Control - Rendered totally useless now. All it would do is render the Reapers vulnerable to Leviathan control. With no Reapers seeking annihilation, and organics are constricted to what they are allowed to do, the Leviathans would be able to slowly spread influence and eventually would do as they promised...take over the Reapers. So control would be just giving the Leviathans tools to fully conquer the galaxy again with no hope for organic freedom.

Synthesis - Point is mute. Organics lose. Reapers win by default. Shepard accomplishes what the Reapers were seeking to do the entire series.

Destroy - Without influence from anything organics are free to choose their future. It would delay the Leviathan rise and give organics a chance to possibly stop them. Total potential for future games w/ new antagonist.

How are organics are free from any influence in Destroy? Festroy just takes out the reapers - the leviathans are there and they can iflunce everybody just fine. And given the ammount of destruction caused by the  reapers - it would be pretty easy for them to take over, as soon as the reapers are out of the picture. 

True but it would take a while. Since organics would be aware of how they influence and it is pretty easy to destroy the artifacts. So influencing populations would be more difficult without Reapers to defend the artifacts. 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 31 août 2012 - 08:15 .

[TJBartlemus]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

demersel wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 After seeing the Leviathan DLC I decided to take the endings into perspective with the info I now know. (If taken literally)

Control - Rendered totally useless now. All it would do is render the Reapers vulnerable to Leviathan control. With no Reapers seeking annihilation, and organics are constricted to what they are allowed to do, the Leviathans would be able to slowly spread influence and eventually would do as they promised...take over the Reapers. So control would be just giving the Leviathans tools to fully conquer the galaxy again with no hope for organic freedom.

Synthesis - Point is mute. Organics lose. Reapers win by default. Shepard accomplishes what the Reapers were seeking to do the entire series.

Destroy - Without influence from anything organics are free to choose their future. It would delay the Leviathan rise and give organics a chance to possibly stop them. Total potential for future games w/ new antagonist.

How are organics are free from any influence in Destroy? Festroy just takes out the reapers - the leviathans are there and they can iflunce everybody just fine. And given the ammount of destruction caused by the  reapers - it would be pretty easy for them to take over, as soon as the reapers are out of the picture. 

No, as mentioned in the Leviathan Codex the Leviathans power are limited by their artefacts to give them vision to use the power through and we allready know how to isolate the signals from those.

Defeating the Leviathans at present times is as easy as shielding a couple of Dreadnoughts from their power (which is not even needed if no artefacts are close) and sending them to bomb the hell out of the planet the Leviathans are. They could easily stay out of reach of the pulse and volley the planet until nothing is left.

Not saying the Leviathans are not dangerous, they are, but the fact that they need their artifacts for vision severily hampers them at present times.

+1 A lot better stated than mine. 

[LiarasShield]

N7L4D wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

You know at first I didn't support the indoctrination but now after extended and leviathan I support it even more now

Hey your that one guy that in the multiplayer threads no one likes for reasons I do not know!!! Hi!!! Lol I'm kidding hahaha

Well I'm not a guy but I am unviersally despised on the mp player threads lol

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

spotlessvoid wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 After seeing the Leviathan DLC I decided to take the endings into perspective with the info I now know. (If taken literally)

Control - Rendered totally useless now. All it would do is render the Reapers vulnerable to Leviathan control. With no Reapers seeking annihilation, and organics are constricted to what they are allowed to do, the Leviathans would be able to slowly spread influence and eventually would do as they promised...take over the Reapers. So control would be just giving the Leviathans tools to fully conquer the galaxy again with no hope for organic freedom.

Synthesis - Point is mute. Organics lose. Reapers win by default. Shepard accomplishes what the Reapers were seeking to do the entire series.

Destroy - Without influence from anything organics are free to choose their future. It would delay the Leviathan rise and give organics a chance to possibly stop them. Total potential for future games w/ new antagonist.

Control if it works, gives the Leviathan two fronts to fight: Galaxy + Shepreapers. I find it hard to believe Leviathan don't understand the crucible concept. ....so what's their gameplan?

My guess is the Leviathans goal is simply survival, but after that it is domination. I also think they realize they cannot do it alone. If we win the Reaper war and Leviathans survive they are probably gonna play nice and build an army before trying to reassert their dominance. 

[spotlessvoid]

Never mind, doesn't make sense =P

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 31 août 2012 - 08:22 .

[RavenEyry]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Defeating the Leviathans at present times is as easy as shielding a couple of Dreadnoughts from their power (which is not even needed if no artefacts are close) and sending them to bomb the hell out of the planet the Leviathans are. They could easily stay out of reach of the pulse and volley the planet until nothing is left.

Just nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RavenEyry wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Defeating the Leviathans at present times is as easy as shielding a couple of Dreadnoughts from their power (which is not even needed if no artefacts are close) and sending them to bomb the hell out of the planet the Leviathans are. They could easily stay out of reach of the pulse and volley the planet until nothing is left.

Just nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Dreadnoughts volleying the planet would essentially have the same effect as nuking it, but without the radioactive fallout.

[TJBartlemus]

 For lurkers who don't know of WNT or anyone who is interested....

http://social.biowar.../index/13474338

[spotlessvoid]

RavenEyry wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Defeating the Leviathans at present times is as easy as shielding a couple of Dreadnoughts from their power (which is not even needed if no artefacts are close) and sending them to bomb the hell out of the planet the Leviathans are. They could easily stay out of reach of the pulse and volley the planet until nothing is left.

Just nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Drop an Ick bomb on em

[RavenEyry]

spotlessvoid wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Defeating the Leviathans at present times is as easy as shielding a couple of Dreadnoughts from their power (which is not even needed if no artefacts are close) and sending them to bomb the hell out of the planet the Leviathans are. They could easily stay out of reach of the pulse and volley the planet until nothing is left.

Just nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Drop an Ick bomb on em

Or a thought bomb. That'd probably be more effective than nukes.

[XXIceColdXX]

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Guys! Leviathan says "Your mind belongs to me.... Breathe." The breath scene! It also shows that Shepard when he's in these hallucinations can't tell what's real or not, because he says, "Ann what's happening?"

Not a bad point! Shep definately didnt know what was happening till Levi started talking in his deep reaperesk voice.

Repost for justice.

Uhm... He speaks in that voice all the time. Maybe Shepard didn't notice it was coming from Ann. It's strange.

It was before Anne spoke that he didn't know what was going on. It's when she speaks she does so in Levi's voice and says what's going on.

[BansheeOwnage]

LiarasShield wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

You know at first I didn't support the indoctrination but now after extended and leviathan I support it even more now

Hey your that one guy that in the multiplayer threads no one likes for reasons I do not know!!! Hi!!! Lol I'm kidding hahaha

Well I'm not a guy but I am unviersally despised on the mp player threads lol

Why do people hate you?

[N7L4D]

LiarasShield wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

You know at first I didn't support the indoctrination but now after extended and leviathan I support it even more now

Hey your that one guy that in the multiplayer threads no one likes for reasons I do not know!!! Hi!!! Lol I'm kidding hahaha

Well I'm not a guy but I am unviersally despised on the mp player threads lol

Hahaha sorry, though I still have no idea why you get so much heel heat in the multiplayer threads, it's about as puzzling as IT:lol:

[LiarasShield]

N7L4D wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

You know at first I didn't support the indoctrination but now after extended and leviathan I support it even more now

Hey your that one guy that in the multiplayer threads no one likes for reasons I do not know!!! Hi!!! Lol I'm kidding hahaha

Well I'm not a guy but I am unviersally despised on the mp player threads lol

Hahaha sorry, though I still have no idea why you get so much heel heat in the multiplayer threads, it's about as puzzling as IT:lol:

Cause I'm different and somehow ****** people off lol

[spotlessvoid]

From WNT:
The Reapers stance on their motivations for wiping out the galaxy every 50,00 years is also inconsistent with the rest of the series. In the first and second games the Reapers would only claim that organics and life was a mistake and needed extermination. Then in ME3 when Shepard meets the leader, the Catalyst, he claims that all he is trying to accomplish is to save organics from synthetics. Now why would the leader's opinion be different then those he controls?

Like how you put that TJ

[BansheeOwnage]

LiarasShield wrote...
Cause I'm different and somehow ****** people off lol

Are you a contrarian or something? I'm different. I ****** a lot of people off too.  But why do you think?