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BleedingUranium wrote...

War Assets against the Crucible being a Space Battery:

What's interesting is that the one that proves it's not a battery is the one just added in Leviathan.

Asari Engineers
The graceful, soaring spires common to asari architecture look deceptively delicate. But Thessia's palaces, universities, and theaters have stood longer than most civilizations. Asari architectural engineers dispatched to the Crucible are testing the weapon's construction to make sure it can withstand tremendous amounts of pressure. If built improperly, stress could tear the Crucible in half upon activation.

Dr. Brynn Cole
Dr. Brynn Cole is an ex-Cerberus scientist who studied the technology left behind by the Collectors. She eventually cut ties with the Illusive Man, and helped dozens of scientists and their families flee the organization. The doctor has joined the Crucible Project, using the knowledge gained during her employment with Cerberus to help build the weapon.

Dr. Gavin Archer
Gavin Archer was a well-known synthetic intelligence specialist from Terra Nova who disappeared years ago to work with Cerberus. Now that he's parted ways with his former employer, Archer is among the scientists working on the Crucible. His study of VIs and AIs--in particular, the geth--gives him unique insights into parallel processing and inter-system communication that have already improved the weapon's efficiency.

Interferometric Array
Normally interferometric arrays are used to analyze planetary landmasses, or to determine the astrophysical properties of stellar systems. The powerful array salvaged from the Hercules system can be used for something much more ambitious: the Crucible tunes into the mass relays' command switches. Installing the interferometric array into the Crucible's systems results in a real-time map of the entire galaxy, including the position of each and every Reaper in the Milky Way.

Prothean Data Files
These Prothean discs were found years ago on Eden Prime, recovered a few months before the discovery of the Prothean Beacon in 2183. For years the data on the discs was incomprehensible, until the Crucible's blueprints provided the key to understanding the equations. Locked inside the discs were theories on dark matter meant to be used with the Crucible's main power source.

Dark Energy Dissertation
Published years ago by Dr. Conrad Verner, this doctorial dissertation on xenotechnology is a lengthy but intriguing argument that dark energy causes a minute but empirically observable difference in the passage of time. Hotly debated when first published, the paper's theory is supported by recent data. The dissertation illuminates several instructions left by the Protheans on how to build the Crucible. Dr. Verner found additional schematics useful in the creation of the device. After passing the data on to the Alliance, he added Commander Shepard to the dissertation's list of acknowledgements.

Shadow Broker Starship Tech
The Shadow Broker's unnamed vessel served as both a data repository and stealth ship for the enigmatic information trader. The ship ingeniously drew its power from the thunderstorms raging constantly on the planet it orbited, relying on an interlocking system of kinetic barriers, grounding rods and capacitors to avoid being ripped apart. These systems have repurposed for sections of the Crucible that require the safe discharge of tremendous amounts of energy.

Emergency Fuel Pods
The fuel pods scavenged from a field of debris in the Valhallan Threshold were once attached to a fleet of merchant vessels making long, risky journeys into uncharted space. The pods have been repurposed for the Crucible project. When activated, the Crucible's fusion reactors consume entire oceans of helium-3. The fuel pods serve as emergency reservoirs, should the weapon use more power than expected.

Advanced AI Relays
Admiral Xen's research teams salvaged advanced AI relays from the wreckage of the geth's dreadnought flagship. Xen used the valuable technology to write a custom VI that oversees the energy output of the Crucible's fusion reactors and adjusts itself automatically.

Reaper Heart
After Commander Shepard destroyed the Collector base, Cerberus spent months picking through irradiated rubble for anything useful. The human proto-Reaper the Collectors were building lay in pieces. But its incomplete core survived. The power cell would have been capable of fueling a full-fledged Reaper. After studying the device, Cerberus modified it to fuel the Illusive Man's base. Alliance engineers believe they can use the core similarly to power the Crucible.

Jovian Dissertation *Added in Leviathan*
This scientific data drwas conclusions about the gas giant Isale's exceptionally powerful magnetic field, which has complex interactions with those of its moons. The mathematics used to model this complexity can provide new insight into the math of the Prothean device. A brief glance at the data hints at some kind of energetic pulse that might pass through the magnetosphere of a planet unimpeded, but any details are best derived by high-energy physicists.

Repost because people need to know the catalyst is lying about the crucible. So are the leviathans. And because I need to be on top!!! Posted Image

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 31 août 2012 - 10:06 .


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Arashi08 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

can anyone help me? I'm trying ot count the number of times BioWare has lied about Mass Effect 3. but I can't remember them all.

So...who wan't to play the How Many Times Did BioWare Lie About Mass Effect 3 Game? (Title is a work in progress :P)

Let's see, off the top of my head.

1. about the leaked picture of Coates pre-announcement (said it wasn't involved with Mass Effect)
2. about including Multiplayer (said they wouldn't)
3. about there not being a Reaper-off button
4. about the Rachni playing an integral role
5. about the ending not being ABC-style choice related
6. about several leaks including multiplayer content
7. about the EC not changing anything about the endings (The Relays getting damaged instead of exploding is clearly a change NOT an expansion or clarification)
8. while I'm not sure about this one completely, I think they also denied Leviathan until the announced it.

Did I miss any?

There is already a thread on bsn that has compiled them all pretty neatly. And I'm pretty sure it's more than 8

Pray, forgive me for not knowing about every thread on BSN and especially for not knowing the eaxct number of lies BioWare has told us.

I hope one day you can forgive me Posted Image

I guess I didn't convey tone too well in that post. It was meant more like It's a lot more than 8 as in like Bioware are scumbags not as in know your threads better lol

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plfranke wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

can anyone help me? I'm trying ot count the number of times BioWare has lied about Mass Effect 3. but I can't remember them all.

So...who wan't to play the How Many Times Did BioWare Lie About Mass Effect 3 Game? (Title is a work in progress :P)

Let's see, off the top of my head.

1. about the leaked picture of Coates pre-announcement (said it wasn't involved with Mass Effect)
2. about including Multiplayer (said they wouldn't)
3. about there not being a Reaper-off button
4. about the Rachni playing an integral role
5. about the ending not being ABC-style choice related
6. about several leaks including multiplayer content
7. about the EC not changing anything about the endings (The Relays getting damaged instead of exploding is clearly a change NOT an expansion or clarification)
8. while I'm not sure about this one completely, I think they also denied Leviathan until the announced it.

Did I miss any?

There is already a thread on bsn that has compiled them all pretty neatly. And I'm pretty sure it's more than 8

Pray, forgive me for not knowing about every thread on BSN and especially for not knowing the eaxct number of lies BioWare has told us.

I hope one day you can forgive me Posted Image

I guess I didn't convey tone too well in that post. It was meant more like It's a lot more than 8 as in like Bioware are scumbags not as in know your threads better lol


No worries, I was just joking around anyway, hence the Posted Image lol 
EA are the scumbags, BioWare's just indoctrainated by them...

rEApers!!!!!!

and less believeably...lEviAthans...ya that doesn't work Posted Image

Modifié par Arashi08, 31 août 2012 - 10:15 .


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Has someone started to dig into the files like it was done for EC and Earth?

Also, new Leviathan track on mass effect 3 website (thanks MaximizedAction!)

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mrs.N7 wrote...

Has someone started to dig into the files like it was done for EC and Earth?

Also, new Leviathan track on mass effect 3 website (thanks MaximizedAction!)

Not really. It's surprising. Who knows what kind of data is buried there. [/Illusive Man]
The only thing I know of is probable citadel DLC after Omega.

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Repost because people need to know the catalyst is lying
about the crucible.


Um. Nothing actually contradicts what he said. Crucible is supposed to be power source, and if it is combined with the Citadel, it will release massive amounts of energy. And why Leviathans would lie about it?

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Lord Goose wrote...

Repost because people need to know the catalyst is lying
about the crucible.


Um. Nothing actually contradicts what he said. Crucible is supposed to be power source, and if it is combined with the Citadel, it will release massive amounts of energy. And why Leviathans would lie about it?

1. If you don't understand how those contradict that, I'm not even going to bother wasting my trying to explain.
2. I don't really know, but they are not trustworthy.

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I should go.

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Anyone else call their local pet store to check on the availability of huskheads? I kept getting hung up on

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Anyone else call their local pet store to check on the availability of huskheads? I kept getting hung up on


They'll never sell huskheads at pet stores. No one would ever buy any other pets.

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Anyone else call their local pet store to check on the availability of huskheads? I kept getting hung up on

No. I don't want that on my desk. Posted Image

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TSA_383 wrote...

Found a vid that does some semi-thorough investigating.



At 07:12.

Datapad says:

"NOTE TO STAFF:
This new crossbreed appears harmless and would be inconspicuous in an
office environment. However, it is exceedingly dangerous. Use extreme
caution when working with all third-generation plants."

This
guy's shep is jittery as ****, but anyway, you can see the plant is in
Dr Bryson's office, inside at 00.16 and outside at 4:14



The flowers are in udina's office, and elsewhere on the embassies ward.


Reposting because awesome.
VERY good catch.


They use the plants to watch important aspects of the galaxy. Organic surveillance cameras, if you will.

A good catch though.


I don't think it's surveillance. Can't find my full post, but in the context of the reminder about thorian's spores, I think it's more likely to be a mini-spore spouting indoc device. Though I suppose for Leviathan indoctrination = surveillance.

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byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Anyone else call their local pet store to check on the availability of huskheads? I kept getting hung up on


They'll never sell huskheads at pet stores. No one would ever buy any other pets.

They couldn't even tell me what you feed one. When I asked if they sold rabbits they hung up.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Anyone else call their local pet store to check on the availability of huskheads? I kept getting hung up on


They'll never sell huskheads at pet stores. No one would ever buy any other pets.

They couldn't even tell me what you feed one. When I asked if they sold rabbits they hung up.


What? Are you talking about that thing on Bryson's desk that growls when activated? It doesn't need feeding.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

War Assets against the Crucible being a Space Battery:

What's interesting is that the one that proves it's not a battery is the one just added in Leviathan.

Asari Engineers
The graceful, soaring spires common to asari architecture look deceptively delicate. But Thessia's palaces, universities, and theaters have stood longer than most civilizations. Asari architectural engineers dispatched to the Crucible are testing the weapon's construction to make sure it can withstand tremendous amounts of pressure. If built improperly, stress could tear the Crucible in half upon activation.

Dr. Brynn Cole
Dr. Brynn Cole is an ex-Cerberus scientist who studied the technology left behind by the Collectors. She eventually cut ties with the Illusive Man, and helped dozens of scientists and their families flee the organization. The doctor has joined the Crucible Project, using the knowledge gained during her employment with Cerberus to help build the weapon.

Dr. Gavin Archer
Gavin Archer was a well-known synthetic intelligence specialist from Terra Nova who disappeared years ago to work with Cerberus. Now that he's parted ways with his former employer, Archer is among the scientists working on the Crucible. His study of VIs and AIs--in particular, the geth--gives him unique insights into parallel processing and inter-system communication that have already improved the weapon's efficiency.

Interferometric Array
Normally interferometric arrays are used to analyze planetary landmasses, or to determine the astrophysical properties of stellar systems. The powerful array salvaged from the Hercules system can be used for something much more ambitious: the Crucible tunes into the mass relays' command switches. Installing the interferometric array into the Crucible's systems results in a real-time map of the entire galaxy, including the position of each and every Reaper in the Milky Way.

Prothean Data Files
These Prothean discs were found years ago on Eden Prime, recovered a few months before the discovery of the Prothean Beacon in 2183. For years the data on the discs was incomprehensible, until the Crucible's blueprints provided the key to understanding the equations. Locked inside the discs were theories on dark matter meant to be used with the Crucible's main power source.

Dark Energy Dissertation
Published years ago by Dr. Conrad Verner, this doctorial dissertation on xenotechnology is a lengthy but intriguing argument that dark energy causes a minute but empirically observable difference in the passage of time. Hotly debated when first published, the paper's theory is supported by recent data. The dissertation illuminates several instructions left by the Protheans on how to build the Crucible. Dr. Verner found additional schematics useful in the creation of the device. After passing the data on to the Alliance, he added Commander Shepard to the dissertation's list of acknowledgements.

Shadow Broker Starship Tech
The Shadow Broker's unnamed vessel served as both a data repository and stealth ship for the enigmatic information trader. The ship ingeniously drew its power from the thunderstorms raging constantly on the planet it orbited, relying on an interlocking system of kinetic barriers, grounding rods and capacitors to avoid being ripped apart. These systems have repurposed for sections of the Crucible that require the safe discharge of tremendous amounts of energy.

Emergency Fuel Pods
The fuel pods scavenged from a field of debris in the Valhallan Threshold were once attached to a fleet of merchant vessels making long, risky journeys into uncharted space. The pods have been repurposed for the Crucible project. When activated, the Crucible's fusion reactors consume entire oceans of helium-3. The fuel pods serve as emergency reservoirs, should the weapon use more power than expected.

Advanced AI Relays
Admiral Xen's research teams salvaged advanced AI relays from the wreckage of the geth's dreadnought flagship. Xen used the valuable technology to write a custom VI that oversees the energy output of the Crucible's fusion reactors and adjusts itself automatically.

Reaper Heart
After Commander Shepard destroyed the Collector base, Cerberus spent months picking through irradiated rubble for anything useful. The human proto-Reaper the Collectors were building lay in pieces. But its incomplete core survived. The power cell would have been capable of fueling a full-fledged Reaper. After studying the device, Cerberus modified it to fuel the Illusive Man's base. Alliance engineers believe they can use the core similarly to power the Crucible.

Jovian Dissertation *Added in Leviathan*
This scientific data drwas conclusions about the gas giant Isale's exceptionally powerful magnetic field, which has complex interactions with those of its moons. The mathematics used to model this complexity can provide new insight into the math of the Prothean device. A brief glance at the data hints at some kind of energetic pulse that might pass through the magnetosphere of a planet unimpeded, but any details are best derived by high-energy physicists.

Repost because people need to know the catalyst is lying about the crucible. So are the leviathans. And because I need to be on top!!! Posted Image


Few points here that I think need to be linked together. The Crucible is described as a weapon, yes, and all of these bits of EMS items point to that. What I think needs to be brought up is that the Citadel is the -targeting and delivery mechanism- to the Crucible's energy. Just releasing the energy from the Crucible would take billions of years for the blast to reach across the galaxy, and take far, far more power than 'oceans of Helium-3' to generate. The Citadel is the control mechanism for the entire relay network and by using it as it's delivery system it has the capability to reach every corner of the galaxy nearly simultaeneously. 

I believe in the conversation with the Prothean VI it says that 'It was realized at some point that a catalyst was needed for it to function', and if so, that just points to the delivery mechanism.

That said, it doesn't answer the questions of 'who designed it originally', is really a trap, and why does it have any option other than 'destroy' if it's design was a last ditch effort at survival. It wouldn't make sense to design extra bits into it other than KILL THEM ALL NOW so we can live. Well, IMO anyway.

I personally am torn between Reaper trap and Leviathan effort to retake control of the galaxy. The design is said to be powerful and elegant yet simplistic and easily understood. It takes significant understanding of your enemy, dark energy, and the relay network to come up with a weapon that would affect the entire galaxy on the scale required.

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In all honesty: this husk head is a objectification of all that is becoming wrong on so many levels in this war involving Shepard and the Reapers:
Having this thing in the cabin, near the model ships and the medal, is so tasteless and perverse that it surpasses shooting Legion thrice.

/buzzkillington

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paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Anyone else call their local pet store to check on the availability of huskheads? I kept getting hung up on


They'll never sell huskheads at pet stores. No one would ever buy any other pets.

They couldn't even tell me what you feed one. When I asked if they sold rabbits they hung up.

What? Are you talking about that thing on Bryson's desk that growls when activated?

It doesn't need feeding.


Maybe not, but it needs love.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Anyone else call their local pet store to check on the availability of huskheads? I kept getting hung up on


They'll never sell huskheads at pet stores. No one would ever buy any other pets.

They couldn't even tell me what you feed one. When I asked if they sold rabbits they hung up.

What? Are you talking about that thing on Bryson's desk that growls when activated?

It doesn't need feeding.


Maybe not, but it needs love.

Then choose Synthesis.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

In all honesty: this husk head is a objectification of all that is becoming wrong on so many levels in this war involving Shepard and the Reapers:
Having this thing in the cabin, near the model ships and the medal, is so tasteless and perverse that it surpasses shooting Legion thrice.

/buzzkillington

You're so right

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MaximizedAction wrote...

In all honesty: this husk head is a objectification of all that is becoming wrong on so many levels in this war involving Shepard and the Reapers:
Having this thing in the cabin, near the model ships and the medal, is so tasteless and perverse that it surpasses shooting Legion thrice.

/buzzkillington


Agreed.  But it would make a cool keepsake for all the renegade Shepards out there.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

In all honesty: this husk head is a objectification of all that is becoming wrong on so many levels in this war involving Shepard and the Reapers:
Having this thing in the cabin, near the model ships and the medal, is so tasteless and perverse that it surpasses shooting Legion thrice.

/buzzkillington


Thats the point.

I personally may love my Huskhead, but theres literally no reason Shepard should. She should see it as an abomination.

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paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What? Are you talking about that thing on Bryson's desk that growls when activated?

It doesn't need feeding.


Maybe not, but it needs love.

Then choose Synthesis.


And turn it into a sentient head, with no body, forever doomed to be unable to move on its own?

No thank you.

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byne, check out the LST.

Modifié par paxxton, 31 août 2012 - 11:46 .


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I'm surprised so many people are claiming that Leviathan "kills" IT.

If anything, playing Leviathan has made me a staunch supporter of the theory. It's pretty much all I could see throughout the whole expansion - from EDI's question to Shepard to the way in which the confrontation with Leviathan mirrors the meeting with StarChild.

I feel like IT is more valid now than it ever was.

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Didn't the Prothean VI say that it was supposed to "interface with the Catalyst," Yet when you find it again at Chronos Station it doesn't bring it up again. and of course, the thing that REALLY bugs me, is that Shepard LEAVES IT BEHIND!

I mean really? you're gonna leave the Prothean VI, that is supposed to interface with the Catalyst and contains who knows how much Prothean data in it, and just leave it there to get blown to dust? You don't wanna even take it back to be analyzed to see if there is more information, or if it was somehow tampered with by Cerberus?

idk that just felt like a sloppy thing to do, from a storytelling standpoint and a saving-the-galaxy standpoint as well

Modifié par Arashi08, 31 août 2012 - 11:50 .