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[spotlessvoid]

halbert986 wrote...

where exactly did this idea originate from? Who was the first person to say "hmmm, maybe this is all a dream."?

Don't the first person to make a video mind you.. But the first person to get the ball rolling.

masster blaster did if I recall

[Ytook]

Wow, good to see this still going.
I posted a few times here pre EC and lurked long before that, at that point I was almost certain of the IT being correct and that there was a true ending on the way, then the EC came out and... well I lost what little faith I had left in Bioware as story tellers and stopped coming on the BSN.

Came on today out of curiosity and, I have to say, was very happy to see this thread still on top. I havn't downloaded Leviathan (I'm only paying for dlc if a good ending is released in some form, which seems less than unlikely know) but I know the very basics, that the leviathans wondered why the lesser races were creating AIs that turned on them, so they created an AI and it turned on them (if that is seriously the level of storytelling we've gotten to then I am very happy I turned my back on ME), but I'm curious as to what Leviathan has from an IT stand point, from what I can tell a description of the creation of the star brat doesn't exactly do wonders for IT sadly, but I am very much lacking in knowledge on the subject. So can anyone give me a run down, or far less intrusively, point me to one?

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Then choose Synthesis.

Synthesis is literally the worst idea ever imagined. Ever.

I disagree. Synthesis is a middle ground for Organics and Synthetics.

In the same way a murder-suicide is

So commiting genocide on the geth is ok? Geth Prime in London said they are fighting for their future and you take that future from them.

[byne]

halbert986 wrote...

where exactly did this idea originate from? Who was the first person to say "hmmm, maybe this is all a dream."?

Don't the first person to make a video mind you.. But the first person to get the ball rolling.

Well, I made the first thread.

Here's my first draft of my first post:



If you could find anyone suggesting the end of ME3 was a hallucination before March 8, I havent seen it.

Modifié par byne, 01 septembre 2012 - 12:12 .

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...


Did you even pay attention? The Leviathans only care about other species because if the other species die, they can no longer pay tribute to them.

They are motivated purely by selfishness to keep the other species alive.

Hmm. Good point. But the thralls were cavemen and needed protection, needed to be cared for. They also had a lot of freedom if they were able to build lethal machines.

Freedoms which the Leviathans created the intelligence to take away.

Leaving it the way it was would've been insane. There would've been nothing left. They had to act.

[spotlessvoid]

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Then choose Synthesis.

Synthesis is literally the worst idea ever imagined. Ever.

I disagree. Synthesis is a middle ground for Organics and Synthetics.

In the same way a murder-suicide is

So commiting genocide on the geth is ok? Geth Prime in London said they are fighting for their future and you take that future from them.

why do you always take things literally

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Hmm. Good point. But the thralls were cavemen and needed protection, needed to be cared for. They also had a lot of freedom if they were able to build lethal machines.

How so do cavemen build machines?
They haves spaceships but no electricity?

LOL. Good catch.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Then choose Synthesis.

Synthesis is literally the worst idea ever imagined. Ever.

I disagree. Synthesis is a middle ground for Organics and Synthetics.

In the same way a murder-suicide is

So commiting genocide on the geth is ok? Geth Prime in London said they are fighting for their future and you take that future from them.

He also says there will be no more compromise with the old machines, and two of the three endings are compromises with the old machines.

[plfranke]

Ytook wrote...

Wow, good to see this still going.
I posted a few times here pre EC and lurked long before that, at that point I was almost certain of the IT being correct and that there was a true ending on the way, then the EC came out and... well I lost what little faith I had left in Bioware as story tellers and stopped coming on the BSN.

Came on today out of curiosity and, I have to say, was very happy to see this thread still on top. I havn't downloaded Leviathan (I'm only paying for dlc if a good ending is released in some form, which seems less than unlikely know) but I know the very basics, that the leviathans wondered why the lesser races were creating AIs that turned on them, so they created an AI and it turned on them (if that is seriously the level of storytelling we've gotten to then I am very happy I turned my back on ME), but I'm curious as to what Leviathan has from an IT stand point, from what I can tell a description of the creation of the star brat doesn't exactly do wonders for IT sadly, but I am very much lacking in knowledge on the subject. So can anyone give me a run down, or far less intrusively, point me to one?

There are quite a few things in Leviathan strengthen the IT.
1. When Leviathan assumes control of Shepard's mind Shepard is in the same position as when he enters the decision chamber. The conversation also is mirrored in several ways, and Shepard is spoken to by members of his past. As Leviathan says "Your memories give voice to our words." It's also shown that Shepard cannot differentiate between what is not reality when his mind is in that state.
2.The Crucible is still portrayed very shady in this dlc with Leviathan looking away suspiciously when asked about it and giving no valuable information.
3.The Catalyst lives in the Citadel, but when the Intelligence was created, the Citadel didn't exist. The Catalyst also differs in a few ways from the original Intelligence. The Intelligence's mandate was to preserve life at any cost, and the cycle was created in search of something. The Catalyst says his purpose is to stop the chaos caused by the inevitable conflict between synthetics and organics and that is why he created the cycle.
There are others as well.

[Carmin_Steele]

"Tribute does not flow from a dead species." .... That is NOT the talk of a being that cares for it's 'underlings'.

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Then choose Synthesis.

Synthesis is literally the worst idea ever imagined. Ever.

I disagree. Synthesis is a middle ground for Organics and Synthetics.

In the same way a murder-suicide is

So commiting genocide on the geth is ok? Geth Prime in London said they are fighting for their future and you take that future from them.

why do you always take things literally

Oh, I thought we were discussing the literal meaning here. With IT, Destroy is the way to go.

[byne]

Paxxton, did you ever finish any route in Katawa Shoujo?

[plfranke]

byne wrote...

halbert986 wrote...

where exactly did this idea originate from? Who was the first person to say "hmmm, maybe this is all a dream."?

Don't the first person to make a video mind you.. But the first person to get the ball rolling.

Well, I made the first thread.

Here's my first draft of my first post:



If you could find anyone suggesting the end of ME3 was a hallucination before March 8, I havent seen it.

I believe the very first was the google doc by an unknown poster.

[spotlessvoid]

Carmin_Steele wrote...

"Tribute does not flow from a dead species." .... That is NOT the talk of a being that cares for it's 'underlings'.

I also love how the Leviathan rule over entire planets but never got a single whiff of the intelligence's plot against them. They also never figured out a single thing about the crucible.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Then choose Synthesis.

Synthesis is literally the worst idea ever imagined. Ever.

I disagree. Synthesis is a middle ground for Organics and Synthetics.

In the same way a murder-suicide is

So commiting genocide on the geth is ok? Geth Prime in London said they are fighting for their future and you take that future from them.

He also says there will be no more compromise with the old machines, and two of the three endings are compromises with the old machines.

Control is not. But no compromise in the face of genocide seems a bit excessive.

[byne]

plfranke wrote...

I believe the very first was the google doc by an unknown poster.

I dont recall ever seeing that google doc until the first thread had accumulated several hundred posts.

I mean, it could have existed before, but it'd be odd for it to take so long to pop up.

[plfranke]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Carmin_Steele wrote...

"Tribute does not flow from a dead species." .... That is NOT the talk of a being that cares for it's 'underlings'.

I also love how the Leviathan rule over entire planets but never got a single whiff of the intelligence's plot against them. They also never figured out a single thing about the crucible.

Yeah the dlc forces you to assume quite a few things that don't make any sense.

[Carmin_Steele]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Carmin_Steele wrote...

"Tribute does not flow from a dead species." .... That is NOT the talk of a being that cares for it's 'underlings'.

I also love how the Leviathan rule over entire planets but never got a single whiff of the intelligence's plot against them. They also never figured out a single thing about the crucible.

I have two more posts in this thread that deal specifically with this point, but to add to it, Leviathan is lying as has been shown in several videos now. The camera specifically zooms in on the eyes of the person speaking when asked about the crucible, and they're all shifty.

EDIT: 5:30 into the vid.

Modifié par Carmin_Steele, 01 septembre 2012 - 12:23 .

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

Paxxton, did you ever finish any route in Katawa Shoujo?

LOL. I forgot about it at all after I had that fever.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 septembre 2012 - 12:22 .

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Paxxton, did you ever finish any route in Katawa Shoujo?

LOL. I forgot about it at all after I had that fever.

Well start playing again!

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Paxxton, did you ever finish any route in Katawa Shoujo?

LOL. I forgot about it at all after I had that fever.

Well start playing again!

Yup, I have a save from the beginning of chapter 1. Does it relate to the Leviathans in any way?

[paxxton]

plfranke wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne, check out the LST.

But I dont support the Leviathans.

I think they are evil, arrogant, cowards who doomed the galaxy many times over.

If I could, I'd have killed them.

It's the Intelligence who's to blame. Leviathans wanted to save the species from certain death.

Did you even pay attention? The Leviathans only care about other species because if the other species die, they can no longer pay tribute to them.

They are motivated purely by selfishness to keep the other species alive.

He doesn't pay attention to anything, how can you support control and be in the IT thread it's so ridiculous.

I'll answer like Neo answered Agent Smith. Because I want.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 septembre 2012 - 12:39 .

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Paxxton, did you ever finish any route in Katawa Shoujo?

LOL. I forgot about it at all after I had that fever.

Well start playing again!

Yup, I have a save from the beginning of chapter 1. Does it relate to the Leviathans in any way?

I dont think so.

Maybe the Leviathans are feminists?

Kenji tried to warn us!

[jgibson14352]

how would the synthetic problem that the organic thralls faced not bother the leviathan in some way? did they think that the AIs would just annihilate the species that created them, then just be fine with the leviathan out there organic-ing it up? and why wouldnt the leviathan attempt to take control over the synthetics? if theyre telling the complete truth, this is utter bullsh*t. if theyre not, then i want to know whats going on

[BatmanTurian]

jgibson14352 wrote...

how would the synthetic problem that the organic thralls faced not bother the leviathan in some way? did they think that the AIs would just annihilate the species that created them, then just be fine with the leviathan out there organic-ing it up? and why wouldnt the leviathan attempt to take control over the synthetics? if theyre telling the complete truth, this is utter bullsh*t. if theyre not, then i want to know whats going on

Everyone here wants to know what's goin' on, man.