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[Rifneno]

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Then choose Synthesis.

Synthesis is literally the worst idea ever imagined. Ever.

Repost for truth.

Modifié par Rifneno, 01 septembre 2012 - 12:38 .

[plfranke]

Why could the Leviathans not protect their thralls from the machines? Is it possible their mind control only works on organics? Because, dominate only works on organics and that's the bonus power you get from them. So much ridiculous in that dlc it hurts my brain.

[spotlessvoid]

jgibson14352 wrote...

how would the synthetic problem that the organic thralls faced not bother the leviathan in some way? did they think that the AIs would just annihilate the species that created them, then just be fine with the leviathan out there organic-ing it up? and why wouldnt the leviathan attempt to take control over the synthetics? if theyre telling the complete truth, this is utter bullsh*t. if theyre not, then i want to know whats going on

Like I said last night it wouldn't even be bad writing, it would be monkey's slapping at a keyboard.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Paxxton, did you ever finish any route in Katawa Shoujo?

LOL. I forgot about it at all after I had that fever.

Well start playing again!

Yup, I have a save from the beginning of chapter 1. Does it relate to the Leviathans in any way?

I dont think so.

Maybe the Leviathans are feminists?

Kenji tried to warn us!

In their case it would seem peculiar.

[paxxton]

plfranke wrote...

Why could the Leviathans not protect their thralls from the machines? Is it possible their mind control only works on organics? Because, dominate only works on organics and that's the bonus power you get from them. So much ridiculous in that dlc it hurts my brain.

Their mind-control works only on Organics. I think I read that somewhere in the game, but not sure.

[Ytook]

Thanks a bunch plfranke, I was hoping for a few more replies but that's what I get for posting in the midst of a heated discussion .

[paxxton]

halbert986 wrote...

where exactly did this idea originate from? Who was the first person to say "hmmm, maybe this is all a dream."?

Don't the first person to make a video mind you.. But the first person to get the ball rolling.

It was James Vega on the Citadel.

[Arashi08]

sooo...all this talk of Leviathan and the way it views it's thralls got me thinking...

Do you think it is possible to create a story whereby there is a certain sentient culture that uses another sentient culture as their livestock, but doesn't consider this species inferior to their own, nor do they consider themselves superior to their "cattle," and STILL make a convincing, well thought out, and overall GOOD story?

Modifié par Arashi08, 01 septembre 2012 - 12:50 .

[paxxton]

Arashi08 wrote...

sooo...all this talk of Leviathan and the way it views it's thralls got me thinking...

Do you think it is possible to create a story whereby there is a certain sentient culture that uses another sentient culture as their livestock, but doesn't consider this species inferior to their own, nor do they consider themselves superior to their "cattle," and STILL make a convincing, well thought out, and overall GOOD story?

Of course. Just read the news.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 septembre 2012 - 12:52 .

[plfranke]

paxxton wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Why could the Leviathans not protect their thralls from the machines? Is it possible their mind control only works on organics? Because, dominate only works on organics and that's the bonus power you get from them. So much ridiculous in that dlc it hurts my brain.

Their mind-control works only on Organics. I think I read that somewhere in the game, but not sure.

even so, it seems like there could have been numerous other ways to deal with the problem than the one they went with.

[FFZero]

From what I can tell it it doesn’t sound like Leviathan has sold that well, and fan reaction has pretty much amounted to ‘meh, it’s okay’. I know it’s still early days and a lot more people could buy the DLC now that it’s out and there are reviews for it but even IGN have said it’s just meh and you know something has gone wrong if IGN can’t sing praises about it.

Right now I can see ME3 going the way of DA2. Maybe one or two SP DLC’s then dropped for the next project because of lack of interest. Omega DLC is going to have to frakking amazing at this rate and Bioware are going to have to do something with the endings whether it's making something like IT happen or allowing a conventional victory.

[spotlessvoid]

Ytook wrote...

Wow, good to see this still going.
I posted a few times here pre EC and lurked long before that, at that point I was almost certain of the IT being correct and that there was a true ending on the way, then the EC came out and... well I lost what little faith I had left in Bioware as story tellers and stopped coming on the BSN.

Came on today out of curiosity and, I have to say, was very happy to see this thread still on top. I havn't downloaded Leviathan (I'm only paying for dlc if a good ending is released in some form, which seems less than unlikely know) but I know the very basics, that the leviathans wondered why the lesser races were creating AIs that turned on them, so they created an AI and it turned on them (if that is seriously the level of storytelling we've gotten to then I am very happy I turned my back on ME), but I'm curious as to what Leviathan has from an IT stand point, from what I can tell a description of the creation of the star brat doesn't exactly do wonders for IT sadly, but I am very much lacking in knowledge on the subject. So can anyone give me a run down, or far less intrusively, point me to one?

EDI re Sovereign fragment in Bryson's office "Did you take the appropriate steps to protect against indoctrination?"  Then her head spins 360°. Oh wait no, that was my head. Also Leviathan are borderline retarded or lying like crazy. Kind of like Bioware

[paxxton]

plfranke wrote...

paxxton wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Why could the Leviathans not protect their thralls from the machines? Is it possible their mind control only works on organics? Because, dominate only works on organics and that's the bonus power you get from them. So much ridiculous in that dlc it hurts my brain.

Their mind-control works only on Organics. I think I read that somewhere in the game, but not sure.

even so, it seems like there could have been numerous other ways to deal with the problem than the one they went with.

Afaik they are organic and their evolutionary advantage is the ability to control minds. It wasn't their choice. Their nature defines who they are.

[plfranke]

Ytook wrote...

Thanks a bunch plfranke, I was hoping for a few more replies but that's what I get for posting in the midst of a heated discussion .

No problem, there's much more that isn't in the direct conversation with Leviathan too. There are pictures of the dream trees in Bryson's lab and Shepard's reaction to indoctrination in the lab is very odd too. All in all, it was a huge plus for the indoctrination theory. The only thing that kind of hurt is that Leviathan speaks of a creation that may or may not be the Catalyst. However, he talks about it so vaguely that it's difficult to give that much credit. It certainly doesn't make any sense why some race would create the crucible with the design in mind that the intelligence that is harvesting all organic life would be the one thing necessary to make the weapon work.

[MaximizedAction]

FFZero wrote...

From what I can tell it it doesn’t sound like Leviathan has sold that well, and fan reaction has pretty much amounted to ‘meh, it’s okay’. I know it’s still early days and a lot more people could buy the DLC now that it’s out and there are reviews for it but even IGN have said it’s just meh and you know something has gone wrong if IGN can’t sing praises about it.

Right now I can see ME3 going the way of DA2. Maybe one or two SP DLC’s then dropped for the next project because of lack of interest. Omega DLC is going to have to frakking amazing at this rate and Bioware are going to have to do something with the endings whether it's making something like IT happen or allowing a conventional victory.

Also, that random tweet by Patrick Weekes:
twitter.com/PatrickWeekes/status/240653412281233408

[spotlessvoid]

paxxton wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

sooo...all this talk of Leviathan and the way it views it's thralls got me thinking...

Do you think it is possible to create a story whereby there is a certain sentient culture that uses another sentient culture as their livestock, but doesn't consider this species inferior to their own, nor do they consider themselves superior to their "cattle," and STILL make a convincing, well thought out, and overall GOOD story?

Of course. Just read the news.

"Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton."  Bertrand Russell

I'd say that's a superiority complex

[plfranke]

FFZero wrote...

From what I can tell it it doesn’t sound like Leviathan has sold that well, and fan reaction has pretty much amounted to ‘meh, it’s okay’. I know it’s still early days and a lot more people could buy the DLC now that it’s out and there are reviews for it but even IGN have said it’s just meh and you know something has gone wrong if IGN can’t sing praises about it.

Right now I can see ME3 going the way of DA2. Maybe one or two SP DLC’s then dropped for the next project because of lack of interest. Omega DLC is going to have to frakking amazing at this rate and Bioware are going to have to do something with the endings whether it's making something like IT happen or allowing a conventional victory.

It's hard to say as revenues from multiplayer might even out and give Bioware more time. However, if that's not selling I just don't know. If things are looking problematic they have little recourse than to make the next dlc heavily impact the ending or do all but confirm IT.

[plfranke]

MaximizedAction wrote...

FFZero wrote...

From what I can tell it it doesn’t sound like Leviathan has sold that well, and fan reaction has pretty much amounted to ‘meh, it’s okay’. I know it’s still early days and a lot more people could buy the DLC now that it’s out and there are reviews for it but even IGN have said it’s just meh and you know something has gone wrong if IGN can’t sing praises about it.

Right now I can see ME3 going the way of DA2. Maybe one or two SP DLC’s then dropped for the next project because of lack of interest. Omega DLC is going to have to frakking amazing at this rate and Bioware are going to have to do something with the endings whether it's making something like IT happen or allowing a conventional victory.

Also, that random tweet by Patrick Weekes:
twitter.com/PatrickWeekes/status/240653412281233408

See I think that's just wrong. It's like they're trying to put the blame on the fans. We've already told them what we want and they refuse to give it to us lol

Modifié par plfranke, 01 septembre 2012 - 01:01 .

[prettz]

still working on my Indoctrination Vid. 20 min so far and not sure if it's a documentary since I start going nuts 16 min in

[spotlessvoid]

plfranke wrote....
See I think that's just wrong. It's like they're trying to put the blame on the fans. We've already told them what we want and they refuse to give it to us lol

Doesn't sound like they have a plan. If they do have something up their sleeve, they better make that obvious real quick

[Arashi08]

paxxton wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

sooo...all this talk of Leviathan and the way it views it's thralls got me thinking...

Do you think it is possible to create a story whereby there is a certain sentient culture that uses another sentient culture as their livestock, but doesn't consider this species inferior to their own, nor do they consider themselves superior to their "cattle," and STILL make a convincing, well thought out, and overall GOOD story?

Of course. Just read the news.

The news isn't a story, the news is commentary on an event.  imo a "story" is a fictional work that relies on a premise and themes, which are illustrated by an event and incidents in the setting the story takes place.  We have names for alot of things we call "stories" today, but we only have one for the real use of the word "story."  You might also call it fiction, but to me "fiction" is just one aspect that makes a story.

I personally feel that we, as a "modern" culture, have forgotten what it means to actually tell a story and tell it well, why else would there be so much crap in the media that had no substance?

Again, this is all my opinion, just making that clear...

[Arashi08]

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

sooo...all this talk of Leviathan and the way it views it's thralls got me thinking...

Do you think it is possible to create a story whereby there is a certain sentient culture that uses another sentient culture as their livestock, but doesn't consider this species inferior to their own, nor do they consider themselves superior to their "cattle," and STILL make a convincing, well thought out, and overall GOOD story?

Of course. Just read the news.

"Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton."  Bertrand Russell

I'd say that's a superiority complex

That quote does have good points, some of which will be useful later on I think...

So are you saying that you think it can't be done?  Or just that Mr. Russell thinks that?  What do YOU think?  and I pose this question to everyone if they would like to answer. 

Let's just say it is for research...

Edit: damn...I scour this post for spelling errors and I miss some...

Implications...annoying.

Modifié par Arashi08, 01 septembre 2012 - 01:16 .

[demersel]

Guys! Just woke up - lot's of new thoughts about mass effect. Whant to share them. What are talking about, what's new?

[paxxton]

Arashi08 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

sooo...all this talk of Leviathan and the way it views it's thralls got me thinking...

Do you think it is possible to create a story whereby there is a certain sentient culture that uses another sentient culture as their livestock, but doesn't consider this species inferior to their own, nor do they consider themselves superior to their "cattle," and STILL make a convincing, well thought out, and overall GOOD story?

Of course. Just read the news.

The news isn't a story, the news is commentary on an event.  imo a "story" is a fictional work that relies on a premise and themes, which are illustrated by an event and incidents in the setting the story takes place.  We have names for alot of things we call "stories" today, but we only have one for the real use of the word "story."  You might also call it fiction, but to me "fiction" is just one aspect that makes a story.

I personally feel that we, as a "modern" culture, have forgotten what it means to actually tell a story and tell it well, why else would there be so much crap in the media that had no substance?

Again, this is all my opinion, just making that clear...

My answer was rather humorous than serious.

I'd like to read such a story. Might be something new. But isn't "Animal Farm" something like that.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

Guys! Just woke up - lot's of new thoughts about mass effect. Whant to share them. What are talking about, what's new?

Check out my new thread.
The Leviathans Support Thread (LST)

Modifié par paxxton, 01 septembre 2012 - 01:17 .