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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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estebanus

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

What's news people? Everything good?

Don't have anything on topic to post but I know some in here played MGS games:
youtu.be/L5IVOs5Pxh8

WOOT.

This is glorious. Big Boss approves™

Naked Snake approves, too.

EDIT: BOOM, I'm on top!

Modifié par estebanus, 02 septembre 2012 - 09:01 .


#17427
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estebanus wrote...

EDIT: BOOM, I'm on top!

Good, Banshee was getting rather upset with being on top every time yesterday.

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RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

EDIT: BOOM, I'm on top!

Good, Banshee was getting rather upset with being on top every time yesterday.

I'm... sorry to hear that. I'll try and be more active.

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Hey guys, this isn't a groundbreaking find or anything. But, I'd like to point out that on the Mars archives when TIM is looking at those schematics, the Reaper he's looking at is Harbinger, you can clearly see the yellow eyes, but it's a really brief scene and you have to be quick.

I also have some speculations with very little actual evidence to back it up but I think it's cool to discuss. TIM claims that the way he found out about the Thessia Prothean beacon is through the data from the Mars Archives, but why put the data in the Mars archives about a beacon instead of just putting the actual data that was within the beacon? What if TIM didn't take data about anything to do with Thessia, but data saying the crucible is really a trap?

#17430
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Another sign vendetta isn't on the level maybe.

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plfranke wrote...

Hey guys, this isn't a groundbreaking find or anything. But, I'd like to point out that on the Mars archives when TIM is looking at those schematics, the Reaper he's looking at is Harbinger, you can clearly see the yellow eyes, but it's a really brief scene and you have to be quick.

I also have some speculations with very little actual evidence to back it up but I think it's cool to discuss. TIM claims that the way he found out about the Thessia Prothean beacon is through the data from the Mars Archives, but why put the data in the Mars archives about a beacon instead of just putting the actual data that was within the beacon? What if TIM didn't take data about anything to do with Thessia, but data saying the crucible is really a trap?


Yep just seen it, is definately Harbinger. 54 seconds into the clip.

Modifié par XXIceColdXX, 02 septembre 2012 - 09:48 .


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RavenEyry wrote...

Another sign vendetta isn't on the level maybe.

It's really all very suspicious. Why, if that was the only lead picked up from the archives, did Cerberus wait so long to follow it up? For that matter, how did they know exactly when Shepard was going to be there? It just doesn't make sense.

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XXIceColdXX wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Hey guys, this isn't a groundbreaking find or anything. But, I'd like to point out that on the Mars archives when TIM is looking at those schematics, the Reaper he's looking at is Harbinger, you can clearly see the yellow eyes, but it's a really brief scene and you have to be quick.

I also have some speculations with very little actual evidence to back it up but I think it's cool to discuss. TIM claims that the way he found out about the Thessia Prothean beacon is through the data from the Mars Archives, but why put the data in the Mars archives about a beacon instead of just putting the actual data that was within the beacon? What if TIM didn't take data about anything to do with Thessia, but data saying the crucible is really a trap?


Yep just seen it, is definately Harbinger. 54 seconds into the clip.



It's the same one as the end of ME2

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I never really understood the purpose of that harby schematic, there's never any squad/engineer/whatever discussion about reaper structure and/or weaknesses

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Norlond wrote...

I never really understood the purpose of that harby schematic, there's never any squad/engineer/whatever discussion about reaper structure and/or weaknesses


I think it was supposed to be proof that the Reapers exist.

We all know how well that turned out, though.

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Hrothdane wrote...

Norlond wrote...

I never really understood the purpose of that harby schematic, there's never any squad/engineer/whatever discussion about reaper structure and/or weaknesses


I think it was supposed to be proof that the Reapers exist.

We all know how well that turned out, though.


Ok, makes sense, but what does TIM want with it? Just analyse Reapers to find out how to control them?
But could also just be a hint that he was studying reaper tech and is now (obviously) indoctrinated...
Let's drop that, doesn't lead us anywhere ^_^

*edit* oh please someone post something, I don't want to be the thread killer again :blink:
please note: This request is not to be seen as invitation for random trolls, professional trolls or trolling literalists!

Modifié par Norlond, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:23 .


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Some food for thought before I go to sleep. On Priority Surkesh, it is said that there's a traitor in the midst of things, because Cerberus got there too fast. It's never explained in the game who this is. It's not very plausible that it's Udina, because how would he have known you were on your way to cure the genophage. I will point out though that right after Priority Palaven, the mission before Priority Surkesh, you are forced to recruit EDI as a squadmate. She takes control of Dr, Eva's body and there is no way for you to proceed with the plot until this is addressed. It seems to me that EDI is in someway connected to Cerberus, be it that she's still under their control, or there are remnants of Dr. Eva in the body. Either way, it seems she is one of the prime suspects to be the traitor, or it could be that Dr. Eva is somehow stealing the information.

Also, I'd like to remind everyone that Leviathan confirmed that memories make up more than just the people in hallucinations caused indoctrination. There are several times when the people Leviathan is appearing as are doing things that Shepard has done, like looking in the microscope or the different planets like on the panel in the lab. A long time ago we developed quite a large list of how much of Priority Earth could have been from Shepard's memory and that's a huge break for us. The turret sequence for me is what gives it away. The turret sequence holds absolutely no importance whatsoever. You can choose not to shoot at all and let the husks just go through the building and it doesn't affect anything. However, this has its problems too, because when fighting the Reaper on Rannoch, you're forced into a turret sequence that means nothing.

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If you want something to talk about here's something I put yesterday but then fell asleep so it got lost.

RavenEyry wrote...

All this geth tech... maybe reapers spread hatred of synthetics because they always develop of the path the reapers have set and they consider them a threat.



#17439
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If James is indoctrinated or cerberus controlled as some speculate, he'd most likely be the unexplained spy. As it is, the inside man thing seems to be an aborted arc because it was only mentioned once.

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plfranke wrote...
A long time ago we
developed quite a large list of how much of Priority Earth could have
been from Shepard's memory and that's a huge break for us. The turret
sequence for me is what gives it away. The turret sequence holds
absolutely no importance whatsoever. You can choose not to shoot at all
and let the husks just go through the building and it doesn't affect
anything. However, this has its problems too, because when fighting the
Reaper on Rannoch, you're forced into a turret sequence that means
nothing.


Wow, I really should do Priority: Earth again, I have no idea what turret sequence you are talking about (have EC and Leviathan, but haven't played the mission again since... april? may?)

RavenEyry wrote...

If James is indoctrinated or cerberus
controlled as some speculate, he'd most likely be the unexplained spy.
As it is, the inside man thing seems to be an aborted arc because it was
only mentioned once.


Red herrings for everyone! Seriously though, my bets are on James being the mole, he's the Jacob of ME3 and so he needs something to make him more important, and I don't know if it's just me, but on my latest playthrough, with Leviathan installed, I get the "You hear that hum?" line almost every time I try to speak to him, wasn't that way before if I remember correctly, was it?

RavenEyry wrote...

All this geth tech... maybe reapers
spread hatred of synthetics because they always develop of the path the
reapers have set and they consider them a threat.


Good idea, but that would give Starbinger a point, because if all organics hate synthetics, synthetics will be wiped out and thus cannot destroy organics, so basically the reapers protected organics from synthetics - without harvesting them - does that conclusion make sense?

*edit* Just remembered the Metacon-war, seems like every cycle has its geth, so maybe you are onto something 

Modifié par Norlond, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:55 .


#17441
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Norlond wrote...

*edit* Just remembered the Metacon-war, seems like every cycle has its geth, so maybe you are onto something 

That's what I was thinking, evidence shows several cycles had a very innovative sybthetic race that ended up in a reaper influenced war with organics. We know the organics started it in this cycle and what we know of protheans make it likely they started it in theirs.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Norlond wrote...

*edit* Just remembered the Metacon-war, seems like every cycle has its geth, so maybe you are onto something 

That's what I was thinking, evidence shows several cycles had a very innovative sybthetic race that ended up in a reaper influenced war with organics. We know the organics started it in this cycle and what we know of protheans make it likely they started it in theirs.


Mhm... that could mean Levy was lying, didn't he say the AI betrayed them? If the pattern existed back then, the Leviathans should have been the ones who started the war with the reapers. :blink:

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But levis weren't being influenced by the reapers. My idea is the reapers have been subtly encouraging anti AI prejudice because they're a threat to them.

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RavenEyry wrote...

But levis weren't being influenced by the reapers. My idea is the reapers have been subtly encouraging anti AI prejudice because they're a threat to them.


Yeah and that makes sense, but my thought was, that - since Vendetta said the reapers are just servants of the pattern, not the creators - back then, the organics (leviathans and thralls) had other reasons to go to war with their creations, maybe even another kind of cycle that was broken by the leviathans and now we break our reaper-cycle and another one appears
Forgive me if you can't follow my thoughts, I tend to confuse people quite regularly, even IRL :?

#17445
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After a dissertation by Simon_says, I don't believe anything vendetta says. It's probably a plant or something.

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If Mass Effect 3 is being supported for 1 year since its release, there should be about 3 SP DLCs out or announced by March 2013. I wonder what's next after that?

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GIVE IT A BREAK THE NEW DLC DENY THE IT THEORY AND CONFIRM THE TRUTH THEORY

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Anarchy__ wrote...

GIVE IT A BREAK THE NEW DLC DENY THE IT THEORY AND CONFIRM THE TRUTH THEORY


You are all caps, you have to be right! :blink:

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If I recall correctly, the truth theory is that Hackett is a reaper because he has grey hair, so I'd guess this chap isn't to be taken seriously.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 02 septembre 2012 - 01:46 .


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Anarchy__ wrote...

GIVE IT A BREAK THE NEW DLC DENY THE IT THEORY AND CONFIRM THE TRUTH THEORY


GIVE IT A BREAK THE NEW DLC STRENGTHENS THE IT THEORY AND UNDERMINES THE TRUTH THEORY

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