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[legion 21]

what if the war assests from future dlc will actually affect the new ending revealing that thit IT theory is real

[obZen DF]

What if....

[TSA_383]

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...
[quote]RavenEyry wrote...

[quote]UltimateTobi wrote...
Reject is just a big fail, and was never planned. So I don't think it counts, though the "So be it!" could be a little hint.

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The voice change, as well as giving you a big clue to Mr. Sparkle's true identity, also shows how angry he is that you wouldn't make a choice. He's supposedly been doing this cycle for millions of years, but now he's bigging up synthesis and getting upset if you let the cycle continue.

My interpretation is Harby gets very angry that you wont play his little game.

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Not even that.

He's angry that he ruined the target.

Destroy is him going "Oh, well fine then. Be that way, have your little tantrum. I WILL have you, soon enough. I can be patient."

Refuse? Refuse means he's broken Shepard.

Shepard by nature is a man of action. Every option you are given, Paragon or Renegade? You still are taking an action. Only the neutral options let you opt out, they never turn out well, and they removed them in ME3. Paragon and Renegade are both still heroes, their methods and motivations vary, but they do share the same goals, Paragon is not good, merely charming and peaceable. Likewise Renegade is not evil, merely violent and direct.

Shepard always has a goal. Always. For three games it was "Destroy the Reapers and damn the consequences, this war WILL have casualties."

And now we have Shepard going "I don't want to be their killer, so I am going to let everyone die just so I don't have to do something I perceive as immoral." That's not Shepard. It might not necessarily be wrong, but it's not Shepard. Even if Destroy was the only option, Shepard would STILL take an option.

Bill Casey's sig puts it pretty well. Shepard is not a hero or a messiah. He's a soldier.

Harbinger WANTS Shepard. He wants Shepard exactly as he is. He isn't looking for "Not-Shepard". Choosing Refuse, Shepard has chosen not to commit one way or another, to opt out. Refuse means he has lost his determination, his necessary drive that was an integral part of him. He lost the part of himself that Harbinger wanted. He's useless to them now. What's more, he's a frustration. Somehow, in the final moment, not only did he deny Harbinger his prize, he also denied him further methods of acquiring it.

It would be like just before crossing the finish line, watching someone not only run off with your trophy, but also break it so you couldn't posess it. [/quote]

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Can I just say, I applaud your analysis, sir!

[BluSoldier]

Control/Synthesis is giving in to indoctrination. Shepard gets up and fights for the reapers.

Destroy is resisting indoctrination. Shepard gets up and fights the reapers.

Refuse is accepting defeat. Shepard dies on the ground in london.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Refusal isn't Shepard giving up. If anything, it's Shepard refusing to waver in his resolve and refusing to compromise with the Reapers. The three choices are all compromises with the Reapers. Refusal is a rejection of that compromise.

Blowing up the Reapers in Destroy is not compromising with them, it is doing what you came to do in spite of the casualties, something which is prevalant theme throughout ME3 no matter if you choose Paragon or Renegade.

The most obvious example is the talks to Garrus about Palavan and the cruel calculus of war. Even if Sheaprd does not want to sacrifice, he knows the war cannot be won without casualties, it is not a compromise to follow that conviction during those three choices.

Refuse is well refuse. Even if he gives a fancy speech there is nothing Shepard can do, he gave up, the Crucible is shut down, the cycle continues.

The only thing that will end the cycle with 100% certainty is destroying the Reapers and that is what we came to do.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 30 juillet 2012 - 09:06 .

[Arian Dynas]

TSA_383 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...
Reject is just a big fail, and was never planned. So I don't think it counts, though the "So be it!" could be a little hint.

The voice change, as well as giving you a big clue to Mr. Sparkle's true identity, also shows how angry he is that you wouldn't make a choice. He's supposedly been doing this cycle for millions of years, but now he's bigging up synthesis and getting upset if you let the cycle continue.

My interpretation is Harby gets very angry that you wont play his little game.

Not even that.

He's angry that he ruined the target.

Destroy is him going "Oh, well fine then. Be that way, have your little tantrum. I WILL have you, soon enough. I can be patient."

Refuse? Refuse means he's broken Shepard.

Shepard by nature is a man of action. Every option you are given, Paragon or Renegade? You still are taking an action. Only the neutral options let you opt out, they never turn out well, and they removed them in ME3. Paragon and Renegade are both still heroes, their methods and motivations vary, but they do share the same goals, Paragon is not good, merely charming and peaceable. Likewise Renegade is not evil, merely violent and direct.

Shepard always has a goal. Always. For three games it was "Destroy the Reapers and damn the consequences, this war WILL have casualties."

And now we have Shepard going "I don't want to be their killer, so I am going to let everyone die just so I don't have to do something I perceive as immoral." That's not Shepard. It might not necessarily be wrong, but it's not Shepard. Even if Destroy was the only option, Shepard would STILL take an option.

Bill Casey's sig puts it pretty well. Shepard is not a hero or a messiah. He's a soldier.

Harbinger WANTS Shepard. He wants Shepard exactly as he is. He isn't looking for "Not-Shepard". Choosing Refuse, Shepard has chosen not to commit one way or another, to opt out. Refuse means he has lost his determination, his necessary drive that was an integral part of him. He lost the part of himself that Harbinger wanted. He's useless to them now. What's more, he's a frustration. Somehow, in the final moment, not only did he deny Harbinger his prize, he also denied him further methods of acquiring it.

It would be like just before crossing the finish line, watching someone not only run off with your trophy, but also break it so you couldn't posess it. 

Can I just say, I applaud your analysis, sir!

RavenEyry felt the same way 

I hear he's keeping a chapbook of these. 

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 30 juillet 2012 - 09:08 .

[paxxton]

How do you manage to mess up with quotes so often? lol

[byne]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Refusal isn't Shepard giving up. If anything, it's Shepard refusing to waver in his resolve and refusing to compromise with the Reapers. The three choices are all compromises with the Reapers. Refusal is a rejection of that compromise.

How is destroy in any way compromise?

If the US entered diplomatic talks with a country, and at the end of the talks, we had wiped their entire country off the map, would you be like "Damn! Thats a good compromise! I think both sides got a little of what they wanted."?

[TJBartlemus]

legion 21 wrote...

what if the war assests from future dlc will actually affect the new ending revealing that thit IT theory is real

That's pretty much my idea. My idea is that new SP DLC will provide hints, great story/expansion on universe, and effect the endings in some way. This way it makes all SP DLC a must buy for all Mass Effect Fans.

edit- Buy, not bye. d*** spell check. <_<

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 30 juillet 2012 - 09:08 .

[TSA_383]

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

So Is it me or does the curved piece of metal in the Shepard Breath scene look alot like a peice of Object Rho from ME2:Arrival DLC?

In short, yes.
It certainly looks like the reaper tech we know and love, and there wasn't much of that visible on the citadel...

[Arian Dynas]

Uh... ok, should I go get one of the Dragon Age team?

[paxxton]

Flog61 wrote...

Guys, guys, i just had a thought

We really need someone from bioware to post in this so that we get a fancy blue bioware tag under the thread name O_o

There was one under the last thread's name.

[paxxton]

Flog61 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Uh... ok, should I go get one of the Dragon Age team?

I'm thinking Mezzers, she's always been good to us

You mean Merizan. lol

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Guys, guys, i just had a thought

We really need someone from bioware to post in this so that we get a fancy blue bioware tag under the thread name O_o

There was one under the last thread's name.

'Tis probably why he brought it up in the first place Paxxton.

[TJBartlemus]

Flog61 wrote...

Guys, guys, i just had a thought

We really need someone from bioware to post in this so that we get a fancy blue bioware tag under the thread name O_o

Well it seems that BioWare reads all the threads. They don't post in here often because they already posted what their stance was on the IT but they read it all the same. (I know this cause Chris said so...) Though yes it would be nice to have the BioWare logo under the name again. 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 30 juillet 2012 - 09:20 .

[paxxton]

Nothing was here, lex0r11.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 juillet 2012 - 09:21 .

[byne]

Flog61 wrote...

Double post, sorry

I'm sorry ok? GOD STOP JUDGING ME!

Didnt jgibson say last night that he locked his dog out of his room because he thought it was judging him?

We should get his dog to come judge you.

[paxxton]

Flog61 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Uh... ok, should I go get one of the Dragon Age team?

I'm thinking Mezzers, she's always been good to us

You mean Merizan. lol

It's a nickname, just like you havve, paxxy

Who's Mezzers then?

[TJBartlemus]

So anyone have any new evidence for IT? I've replayed ME2 and am starting on Arrival and so far all I found interesting towards IT or WNT was the derelict reaper. (Sorry analysis is slow, but got to make sure I don't miss anything. After done w/ ME2 I plan on analysis on ME3. If I find anything interesting I always post it in the Evidence link in my signature.)