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I_eat_unicorns

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But if there's a 
"truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. 

And how is being an IT supporter a "true fan spirit" of Bioware when it's a fan-made ending?

There's intentions and then there's interpretations. I think since BioWare made an RPG that they are quite comfortable with the thought that their fans can interpret their game however they please.

You can scream all you want that the people in this thread are not "true fans" because they aren't on board with your interpretation, that they live in some fantasy world where BioWare implicitly accepts their theory, but I'm telling you, there is no reason to waste the energy in trying to tell others what they should be thinking about a game and how they should be spending their free time.

I mean, I'm spending my free time writing this because you brought up the term "true fan," and I'm like "oh. 'true fan...' you're one of those people." I don't want to really derail the thread trying to describe what one of those people are, suffice to say, it's one of those people who seems to flip their **** at the rpg table because someone decides the party isn't taking the game seriously enough.



And those interpretations aren't true reflections of the author's intent. It is insulting to the author to believe in a fan-theory rather than the author's work. In fact, since mass effect is an rpg, IT is even more insulting as it renders player choice useless and makes the ending choices as a roulette system rather than appreciating the true work of Bioware and how they constructed the ec dlc to make player choices matter, as an rpg game should. I used the word "true-fan" in the terms of actually appreciating the author's work, not a fan-theory. It supporters believe in a fan-theory and the fact that after the ec dlc, they are waiting that Bioware makes some announcement that the IT is right is both insulting and doesn't make them "true-fans" in that they want their own ending, not the authors. Then some supporters who have the audacity to call people who don't believe in the IT as blind, that the ec dlc was made to quell the "large people" and that the IT is reserved for the "small true fans". Then they follow on the "evidence" of the theory but get so engrossed into this behavior that they can't understand the endings were not meant to be hallucinations. They were real. 

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byne wrote...

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While the above is true, I was a Halo fan long before I was a Mass Effect fan, it was the first universe I really got into, etc, and in there are no alternate Halo universes, unlike the Spider-Man examples above. The games, novels, comics, movies, etc are all equally part of the universe and of the same level of canon.

So, I see ME the same way, the only exception is choices are (mostly) non-canon. For example, in one of the novels Anderson was made councillor, so I consider that canon, as well as Arrival happening because it was in one of the comics. However, if they make a whole movie about the actual main plot then I'd just consider it the Director/Writer's personal playthrough, no more or less canon than mine or yours.


What about the fact that Reach kind of contradicts parts of the novels?

(Also, as a sidenote, I consider RvB to be part of the Halo canon. I wish Bungie, or 343, or whoever is in charge of Halo now would just make it official already.)

I think they put an official system in place. New material trumps old, games trump books trump other material.

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Simon_Says wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

While the above is true, I was a Halo fan long before I was a Mass Effect fan, it was the first universe I really got into, etc, and in there are no alternate Halo universes, unlike the Spider-Man examples above. The games, novels, comics, movies, etc are all equally part of the universe and of the same level of canon.

So, I see ME the same way, the only exception is choices are (mostly) non-canon. For example, in one of the novels Anderson was made councillor, so I consider that canon, as well as Arrival happening because it was in one of the comics. However, if they make a whole movie about the actual main plot then I'd just consider it the Director/Writer's personal playthrough, no more or less canon than mine or yours.


What about the fact that Reach kind of contradicts parts of the novels?

(Also, as a sidenote, I consider RvB to be part of the Halo canon. I wish Bungie, or 343, or whoever is in charge of Halo now would just make it official already.)

I think they put an official system in place. New material trumps old, games trump books trump other material.


The novels are kind of weird anyways.

Wasnt there time travel in one of them?

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byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

While the above is true, I was a Halo fan long before I was a Mass Effect fan, it was the first universe I really got into, etc, and in there are no alternate Halo universes, unlike the Spider-Man examples above. The games, novels, comics, movies, etc are all equally part of the universe and of the same level of canon.

So, I see ME the same way, the only exception is choices are (mostly) non-canon. For example, in one of the novels Anderson was made councillor, so I consider that canon, as well as Arrival happening because it was in one of the comics. However, if they make a whole movie about the actual main plot then I'd just consider it the Director/Writer's personal playthrough, no more or less canon than mine or yours.


What about the fact that Reach kind of contradicts parts of the novels?


(Also, as a sidenote, I consider RvB to be part of the Halo canon. I wish Bungie, or 343, or whoever is in charge of Halo now would just make it official already.)


And ahve cheif come in to take down the free Lancers, and rescue Cortana because the free Lancers got her. If the reds, and blues ever have to go toe to toe with chief. It would make Tex vs the reds, and blues look like a the an ox that is inside of a bigger ox.

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masster blaster wrote...

Anything I missed Oh great IT council? Jk about the IT council, but if there is one, I already know 5 people who are the IT council. But I am serious about what have I missed other than I eat unicorns, and what is happening now for instance.

And who might those 5 people be?

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Pacifien wrote...

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The fact that there is no canon disproves yours.

I blame Star Trek and particularly Star Wars for this dependence on canon. People believe because everything produced in the Star Wars universe is decreed to have some level of connection to the main canon, that every single fictional universe will work under the same rules.

Well, no. Take characters like Spider-Man, for instance. The Spider-Man in the latest movie is not the Spider-Man in the Marvel comic who is not the Spider-Man in the Ultimate Marvel comic who is not the Spider-Man in the newspapers.

So, yes, there can be a Mass Effect movie with a male Shepard and there will still be no canon gender Shepard because the movie is only one interpretation of the story. It does not trump the video game's canon somehow. Why should it?

Finally a beacon of hope in this howling storm.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

*Banshee left himself signed in* Posted Image

What do you mean?

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estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

*Banshee left himself signed in* Posted Image

What do you mean?

I assume he left his laptop in the park.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 août 2012 - 12:08 .


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 Remember to watch this every day. It is good for your speculations.

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estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Anything I missed Oh great IT council? Jk about the IT council, but if there is one, I already know 5 people who are the IT council. But I am serious about what have I missed other than I eat unicorns, and what is happening now for instance.

And who might those 5 people be?


Byne,Arian,Lex,Hellish,and Turbo.

You, Paxxton,TSA,Rose,and Dwiling are the second IT council.

the others I have to sort out, but me I am just a soldier.

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estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

*Banshee left himself signed in* Posted Image

What do you mean?


I figure BleedingUranium typed something stupid posing as BansheeOwnage, since Banshee didnt sign off.

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byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

While the above is true, I was a Halo fan long before I was a Mass Effect fan, it was the first universe I really got into, etc, and in there are no alternate Halo universes, unlike the Spider-Man examples above. The games, novels, comics, movies, etc are all equally part of the universe and of the same level of canon.

So, I see ME the same way, the only exception is choices are (mostly) non-canon. For example, in one of the novels Anderson was made councillor, so I consider that canon, as well as Arrival happening because it was in one of the comics. However, if they make a whole movie about the actual main plot then I'd just consider it the Director/Writer's personal playthrough, no more or less canon than mine or yours.


What about the fact that Reach kind of contradicts parts of the novels?


(Also, as a sidenote, I consider RvB to be part of the Halo canon. I wish Bungie, or 343, or whoever is in charge of Halo now would just make it official already.)


Well, there are still retcons, they fixed The Fall Of Reach to reflect some changes, but it doesn't contradict much. The events of the novel take place at the end of the game, in the last days of the battle for Reach, when the main Covenant fleet showed up. Basically Reach (the game) said that the Covies had actually been attacking for a couple months, and that the book takes place at the end of that.

RvB could work very well in Halo canon, there are almost no issues there. All that would be needed for RvB to be offical Halo canon was 343 saying so. Also, I've found that, other than ME, RvB is the only other thing I can thing of that you can truely speculate about, which is quite an accomplishment!

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Unicorn **** off you absolute wanker

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

*Banshee left himself signed in* Posted Image

What do you mean?


I figure BleedingUranium typed something stupid posing as BansheeOwnage, since Banshee didnt sign off.

What does BleedingUranium has to do with this?

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

*Banshee left himself signed in* Posted Image

What do you mean?


I figure BleedingUranium typed something stupid posing as BansheeOwnage, since Banshee didnt sign off.

Oh, remember when my brother did the same with me and posted that shock image?

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

*Banshee left himself signed in* Posted Image

What do you mean?


I figure BleedingUranium typed something stupid posing as BansheeOwnage, since Banshee didnt sign off.


Yeah, I posted what I copied to my post below that.

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

*Banshee left himself signed in* Posted Image

What do you mean?


I figure BleedingUranium typed something stupid posing as BansheeOwnage, since Banshee didnt sign off.

What does BleedingUranium has to do with this?

He's banshee's brother.

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masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Anything I missed Oh great IT council? Jk about the IT council, but if there is one, I already know 5 people who are the IT council. But I am serious about what have I missed other than I eat unicorns, and what is happening now for instance.

And who might those 5 people be?


Byne,Arian,Lex,Hellish,and Turbo.

You, Paxxton,TSA,Rose,and Dwiling are the second IT council.

the others I have to sort out, but me I am just a soldier.

But if you were just a soldier, why would you then be on a council?

Also, shouldn't Megumi be on the council instead of Lex0r? I mean from what I've seen Lex0r is our motivator. He doesn't really go into the game files to find evidence like Megumi does.

Modifié par estebanus, 02 août 2012 - 12:11 .


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CoolioThane wrote...

Unicorn **** off you absolute wanker

Just drop it. He's not worth the effort.

Also, is Master Blaster being silly again?

Modifié par Simon_Says, 02 août 2012 - 12:08 .


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masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Anything I missed Oh great IT council? Jk about the IT council, but if there is one, I already know 5 people who are the IT council. But I am serious about what have I missed other than I eat unicorns, and what is happening now for instance.

And who might those 5 people be?


Byne,Arian,Lex,Hellish,and Turbo.

You, Paxxton,TSA,Rose,and Dwiling are the second IT council.

the others I have to sort out, but me I am just a soldier.

Yes! I'm a shadow and never to be seen :3

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Simon_Says wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Unicorn **** off you absolute wanker

Just drop it. He's not worth the effort.

Also, is Master Blaster being silly again?

He's talking about some kinda IT council or something like that. I dunno.

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Simon_Says wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Unicorn **** off you absolute wanker

Just drop it. He's not worth the effort.

Also, is Master Blaster being silly again?

Yes.
Although apparently I'm part of some kind of council.
Do we need to have hats made or something?

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Simon_Says wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Unicorn **** off you absolute wanker

Just drop it. He's not worth the effort.

Also, is Master Blaster being silly again?


Yeah, I keep saying there's, I'd say over 30 names I see here all the time, but...

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So people who are true fans are people who love everything they do? That's not being a true fan. That's being a moron. The people who play all three games multiple times, read the books and the comics to see the ending 10 minutes are completely against the entire IP and are therefore believing in the IT as it makes the most sense to the lore and the IP we love are not true fans?

You are a mong

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TSA_383 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Unicorn **** off you absolute wanker

Just drop it. He's not worth the effort.

Also, is Master Blaster being silly again?

Yes.
Although apparently I'm part of some kind of council.
Do we need to have hats made or something?

No, but you might want to try out these cool new things which I call "darkness swords".